Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[peterst6906]

A copy of the transcript of the conversation is here:

http://web.mac.com/cebiner/Mr._Cedric_Ebiners_Web/Blank.html

Lance's threats against Greg are more telling in that conversation than greg's VO2 Max comparisons.

Of course, it's only one side of the conversation, so it's one version against another, but first-hand referenced information is much better to read than the conjecture and assumption that fills this thread out.

 

[Digger]

What are you talking about?

My point is about GL in 2001 telling LA on the phone he should't win tours because of his physiological traits, or lack of. I made that clear in my reply.

You guys banter on about Ferrari and when GL found out. I don't buy it anyway so don't waste your time.

The whole reason Lance rang Greg was due to Greg making the comments about Ferrari in the first place. Greg said he'd be 'disappointed' if this was true. Then Lance phoned him.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

aint over till fatcyclist blah blah?

http://cdn.fatcyclist.com/2012/01/12/do-something-good/

Here’s how Bill Gifford’s story (in Outside) about LiveStrong and Lance Armstrong begins:

If Lance Armstrong went to jail and Livestrong went away, that would be a huge setback in our war against cancer, right? Not exactly, because the famous nonprofit donates almost *nothing to scientific research.
And that’s pretty much it. That’s the “big reveal” of the story. LiveStrong doesn’t do cancer research. Therefore what it does doesn’t matter. Not really.

Because what the millions of people who have cancer, right now, really need is cancer research, right? It’s cancer research that’s going to help them understand their current treatment options. It’s cancer research that’s going to inspire them to be strong and stay positive.

It’s cancer research that called me back, right away, after I filled out a form on a website, because I had found out Susan’s cancer had come back and I just didn’t know what it meant or what to do.

You see my point? Cancer research is important. Very important indeed, to the people in the distant future who will benefit from that research. But helping people who have cancer right now is important too. And for personal reasons, it’s the part of the fight against cancer I want to be involved in.

Do Good Things

I’m not going to do a point-by-point response to Gifford’s piece. I just don’t want to. Part of why is that I’ve been in Chicago the whole week, working long hours. I don’t have a lot of **** nor vinegar in me right now. The other part of why is I’ve had a chance to talk with some pretty amazing people this past week, and I’d like to be a little bit more like them.

So instead of getting all indignant and snarky and stuff, I’m going to tell you a little bit about the life philosophy I’ve been evolving. It’s pretty easy to remember: Do good things.

 

[Benotti69]

aint over till fatcyclist blah blah?

http://cdn.fatcyclist.com/2012/01/12/do-something-good/

Here’s how Bill Gifford’s story (in Outside) about LiveStrong and Lance Armstrong begins:

If Lance Armstrong went to jail and Livestrong went away, that would be a huge setback in our war against cancer, right? Not exactly, because the famous nonprofit donates almost *nothing to scientific research.
And that’s pretty much it. That’s the “big reveal” of the story. LiveStrong doesn’t do cancer research. Therefore what it does doesn’t matter. Not really.

Because what the millions of people who have cancer, right now, really need is cancer research, right? It’s cancer research that’s going to help them understand their current treatment options. It’s cancer research that’s going to inspire them to be strong and stay positive.

It’s cancer research that called me back, right away, after I filled out a form on a website, because I had found out Susan’s cancer had come back and I just didn’t know what it meant or what to do.

You see my point? Cancer research is important. Very important indeed, to the people in the distant future who will benefit from that research. But helping people who have cancer right now is important too. And for personal reasons, it’s the part of the fight against cancer I want to be involved in.

Do Good Things

I’m not going to do a point-by-point response to Gifford’s piece. I just don’t want to. Part of why is that I’ve been in Chicago the whole week, working long hours. I don’t have a lot of **** nor vinegar in me right now. The other part of why is I’ve had a chance to talk with some pretty amazing people this past week, and I’d like to be a little bit more like them.

So instead of getting all indignant and snarky and stuff, I’m going to tell you a little bit about the life philosophy I’ve been evolving. It’s pretty easy to remember: Do good things.

"Do good things", that's great and it would be doubly great if we could get a famous sports personality to do the same and lead by example, well since this is a cycling forum, who is a personality at the moment with a high profile, Oh what about that Armstrong guy? He is in the media a lot i hear! What for? ooops better check! Oh it seems he's a doper, got his team to dope, bribed federation officials, lied in court under oath and is allegedly using his 'charity' to direct donations to his brand and himself instead of the charity.

Damn.

 

[Cloxxki]

"Do good things", that's great and it would be doubly great if we could get a famous sports personality to do the same and lead by example, well since this is a cycling forum, who is a personality at the moment with a high profile, Oh what about that Armstrong guy? He is in the media a lot i hear! What for? ooops better check! Oh it seems he's a doper, got his team to dope, bribed federation officials, lied in court under oath and is allegedly using his 'charity' to direct donations to his brand and himself instead of the charity.

Damn.

I care about old ladies. And I hate dangerous traffic.
I'll help old ladies cross the street all day, it will be a charity I'll lend my name and spirit to. Considering all costs and expenses, I think $1,000,000 of annual budget seems about right, per employee of my non-profit pro-care organization. There's be some overhead of course. So for $40mln annually, I could have about 10 or 20 volunteers to help out old ladies across the nation, negotiating the lethal dangers of conpemporary trafic. Increasing their life expectancy quite a bit. Every living moment counts after all, you cannot put that into figures. Loved ones. Awareness. Care. Help. Do good when you can.
Millions of old ladies need to cross the street on a daily basis. I am there for them.

Donate. You know it's important.
Your granny wants to cross streets too, right? Consider the dangers at her age.

The charity, which I will work for as spokesperson at no direct charge, will be called:
Cloxxki's CROSSINGS

Lines are open now. No volunteers please. And we've already selected the road crossings we'll be focussing our resources on. Monaco, Hollywood, Miami, Barcelona. Places with high traffic you'll agree.

 

[Polish]

I care about old ladies. And I hate dangerous traffic.
I'll help old ladies cross the street all day, it will be a charity I'll lend my name and spirit to. Considering all costs and expenses, I think $1,000,000 of annual budget seems about right, per employee of my non-profit pro-care organization. There's be some overhead of course. So for $40mln annually, I could have about 10 or 20 volunteers to help out old ladies across the nation, negotiating the lethal dangers of conpemporary trafic. Increasing their life expectancy quite a bit. Every living moment counts after all, you cannot put that into figures. Loved ones. Awareness. Care. Help. Do good when you can.
Millions of old ladies need to cross the street on a daily basis. I am there for them.

Donate. You know it's important.
Your granny wants to cross streets too, right? Consider the dangers at her age.

The charity, which I will work for as spokesperson at no direct charge, will be called:
Cloxxki's CROSSINGS

Lines are open now. No volunteers please. And we've already selected the road crossings we'll be focussing our resources on. Monaco, Hollywood, Miami, Barcelona. Places with high traffic you'll agree.

The number of pedestrians killed in traffic is astounding. Scary.
London yikes.
Your Foundation WOULD save lives. Can't put a price on that.
Maybe include all pedestrians and cyclists too - not just grannies.
And AWARENESS is critical. Pay attention drivers.
You will have to start small of course.
But go for it! The world will be a better place. Do Good!

 

[LarryBudMelman]

According to Lance;

A copy of the transcript of the conversation is here:

http://web.mac.com/cebiner/Mr._Cedric_Ebiners_Web/Blank.html

Lance's threats against Greg are more telling in that conversation than greg's VO2 Max comparisons.

Of course, it's only one side of the conversation, so it's one version against another, but first-hand referenced information is much better to read than the conjecture and assumption that fills this thread out.

he's always misunderstood. I just wonder why all these guys, GL, TH, FA, Simeoni, Bassons, Floyd,AC, Walsh, Kimmage, always are complaining about some underhanded nonsense from Armstrong; threats, intimidation, name calling, extortion, bullying, etc.

BTW, Polish, WTF is Lance following you for on twitter?

https://twitter.com/#!/ppolish

https://twitter.com/#!/PPolish/followers

 

[Polish]

BTW, Polish, WTF is Lance following you for on twitter?

https://twitter.com/#!/ppolish

https://twitter.com/#!/PPolish/followers

Floyd follows me too. I hardly ever tweet though.
Lance must lurk in the forum from time to time I'm guessing.
Floyd follows so we can exchange waffle recipes yum.
I feel special having both Lance and Floyd following me. It is usually one or the other if at all.
BTW, the Floyd Tribute and Lance Tribute in my CN Sig line was up before they followed. Maybe they liked my CN Sig?

 

[doolols]

BTW, Polish, WTF is Lance following you for on twitter?

And his first follower, too! First LA, then Antiraceradio, then Livestrong. Impressive collection.

 

[Polish]

And his first follower, too! First LA, then Antiraceradio, then Livestrong. Impressive collection.

I created my twitter account specifically to follow antiraceradio.
I thought it was Flicker - a now banned member in the CN Forums.
Now I'm not so sure. Probably another fanboy/girl like me and flicker.
Anyway, Lance began following us both - good taste in fanboys/girls lol.

 

[Cimacoppi48]

And his first follower, too! First LA, then Antiraceradio, then Livestrong. Impressive collection.

Can't wait to see if Armstrong call them as defense witnesses at trial.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

I created my twitter account specifically to follow antiraceradio.
I thought it was Flicker - a now banned member in the CN Forums.
Now I'm not so sure. Probably another fanboy/girl like me and flicker.
Anyway, Lance began following us both - good taste in fanboys/girls lol.

C'mon now!

 

[AcademyCC]

I created my twitter account specifically to follow antiraceradio.
I thought it was Flicker - a now banned member in the CN Forums.
Now I'm not so sure. Probably another fanboy/girl like me and flicker.
Anyway, Lance began following us both - good taste in fanboys/girls lol.

I knew it! Your LA's Mum

 

[Poursuivant]

Polish is Lance Armstrong.

SSDD etc.

 

[Neworld]

Polish is Lance Armstrong.

SSDD etc.

Funny but Lance isn't that Anti-intelligent!

Have any of the aspiring young American RRs made valuable comments about what they think of LA? If Zirbel gets hit by the USADA what will they do to LA? What will be Zirbel's comments if the USADA does nothing against LA?

NW

 

[Benotti69]

Floyd follows me too. I hardly ever tweet though.
Lance must lurk in the forum from time to time I'm guessing.
Floyd follows so we can exchange waffle recipes yum.
I feel special having both Lance and Floyd following me. It is usually one or the other if at all.
BTW, the Floyd Tribute and Lance Tribute in my CN Sig line was up before they followed. Maybe they liked my CN Sig?

Bet he checks in at least 3 times a day. But he has his lackies in here posting 24/7.

 

[ChrisE]

I created my twitter account specifically to follow antiraceradio.
I thought it was Flicker - a now banned member in the CN Forums.
Now I'm not so sure. Probably another fanboy/girl like me and flicker.
Anyway, Lance began following us both - good taste in fanboys/girls lol.

I created an account so I could follow buckwheat when he got banned. Some of his stuff was out there.

I'm @snarkhole, but I haven't gone on twitter for months. I don't get it, and I was never sure how to work the site.

 

[ChrisE]

Polish is Lance Armstrong.

SSDD etc.

Please post proof of this, because I don't believe it. Thanks.

 

[BotanyBay]

Polish is Lance Armstrong.

SSDD etc.

Nah. Lance has a certain style and a certain type of anger management problem that can't possibly be masked by the likes of a persona such as Polish.

If Lance ever did turn out to BE Polish, then we would know that he's one deeply psychologically messed-up MoFo. Even deeper than we all likely suspect.

 

[Polish]

Please post proof of this, because I don't believe it. Thanks.

Who else would know that it was Frankies substitution pee in the 1999 samples?
Proves I'm Lance. Take that ChrisE. BooYaa.

Well, I suppose I could be Frankie.
Or a Betsy Sockpuppet.
Which reminds me - I'm hungry...see you in 24 hours lol.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

Mark my words...

Nah. Lance has a certain style and a certain type of anger management problem that can't possibly be masked by the likes of a persona such as Polish.

If Lance ever did turn out to BE Polish, then we would know that he's one deeply psychologically messed-up MoFo. Even deeper than we all likely suspect.

Polish is someone who is very important in the ongoing Pharmstrong saga.

A key player..... Very close to Pharmstrong.

 

[doolols]

Polish is someone who is very important in the ongoing Pharmstrong saga. A key player..... Very close to Pharmstrong.

That would surprise me.

 

[Polish]

"Armstrong puts extra money into anti-doping" CN 2005

There is so much confusion and mis-information out there regarding Lance's donations, I thought a separate thread is required to clear some things up.

Here is an article from CN written back in 2005.
Written almost OneTwoThreeFourFiveSixSeven years ago:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-puts-extra-money-into-anti-doping

A more infrequently reported fact, although one that is by no means a secret, is that he has helped the UCI over the years in its fight against doping, by donating money to the cause. "I am a huge advocate of WADA, USADA, drug controls, random controls, out of competition controls," said Armstrong in an interview with Cyclingnews last year. "I have donated money to the UCI over the years to increase [drug controls]."

Yes, Lance donated money over the years. No secret back then.

Dutch TV 2 aired a program on Lance Armstrong on Thursday evening hosted by Mart Smeets, who interviewed Hein Verbruggen, who confirmed that Armstrong sponsors UCI anti-doping investigations. One of the last things he did was to pay for the UCI's new Sysmex blood testing machine, which measures the proportion of haemoglobin and reticulocytes in a rider's blood to determine whether they have been artificially manipulating their red cells.

"I know Lance didn't want me to talk about this, but now he his career is coming to an end I said to him that I should make it public," said Verbruggen. "He didn't like that, but I think everybody has to know it.

Yes, Lance bought a Sysmex machine. No secret.

There is plenty of evidence that Lance made many donations. No secret.

Now if the UCI did not use the donations for anti-doping, that would be a bit disappointing sure. But not Lance's fault.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

There is so much confusion and mis-information out there regarding Lance's donations, I thought a separate thread is required to clear some things up.

<snipped>.

Yes Polish, there is a lot of confusion, the machine was $88,000 and the UCI says it was part of a $100,000 donation - but guess who else is confused.

Lance couldn't remember (under oath) during his deposition in November of 2005.

Q. Okay. How much did you give?
A. I think 25,000.
Q. You say you think. Do you --
A. Yeah, I say I think because I'm not 100 percent sure.
Q. Would it be within a range of that, though, if you're -- I mean, it wouldn't be like --
A. Well, it wouldn't be --
Q.-- 200,000 --
A. No.
Q. -- or 150,000?
A. No.
Q. I mean, it could be 30 or 40, or it could be 10 20, is what I'm asking.
A. It could be. I don't think it's that. But I think it's no more than 30.
Q. Was it by personal check?
A. I don't remember.
Q. Did you tell UCI you were going to make it before you did?
A. I don't recall, but I don't think so. I don't know.
Q. You gave $25,000, or approximately $25,000 to the UCI, but you don't remember if you told them beforehand that you were sending them a check?
A. I don't recall.
Q. Had you ever given any money to UCI before?
A. No.
Q. Have you ever given any money since?
A. I have pledged money since, but I don't think I've done it yet.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

<snipped>

Yes, Lance bought a Sysmex machine. No secret.

There is plenty of evidence that Lance made many donations. No secret.

Now if the UCI did not use the donations for anti-doping, that would be a bit disappointing sure. But not Lance's fault.

If Lance bought a $88,000 sysmex machine and as you say made many donations - that were not secret, then why did he make this statement in 2008.

You made a gift to the UCI back in the early 2000s to buy anti-doping equipment. How much was it?
Er…Well, I can get you an exact number. Around 25,000 dollars. This was a long time ago.
Was the payment to Verbruggen or the UCI?
The UCI. I made it in the interests of it helping. The UCI is not a wealthy organisation.