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karlboss said:
I think he'd take a win at the Giro and crash out in the prologue at the tour over a podium and top 10.

i don't think BMC will want him to crash out. If he wins the Giro BMC will still want a good performance in the Tour.

Cadel is consistent enough to win the Giro and peak again at the Worlds, riding on roads he knows very well. Worse case he could ride in support of Rogers.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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mherm79 said:
i don't think BMC will want him to crash out. If he wins the Giro BMC will still want a good performance in the Tour.

Cadel is consistent enough to win the Giro and peak again at the Worlds, riding on roads he knows very well. Worse case he could ride in support of Rogers.

I imagine BMC want him to win the Giro and the Tour, my point is there is a difference on what you aim for are satisfied with, and what you'd prefer. Cadel has podiumed a GT before, he won't aim to podium again, he'll aim to win. If he tries to win and finishes top 3 and top 10 he'll maybe satisfied.

As for the worlds...think more about sprinters. Rogers will be a mule also...I'm hoping for Haussler.
 
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mherm79 said:
i don't think BMC will want him to crash out. If he wins the Giro BMC will still want a good performance in the Tour.

Cadel is consistent enough to win the Giro and peak again at the Worlds, riding on roads he knows very well. Worse case he could ride in support of Rogers.

That is the dumbest thing I've heard in some time. Cadel and Rogers for the WC. Hahaha. Cracks me up. The only aussie who was a hope of winning is Haussler. Maybe Chris Sutton or Jack Bobridge, but they need to work on their skills a bit. Heinrich Haussler is the only Aussie who can win in Geelong. The whole team should be working for him and nobody else. Rogers and Evans are distractions. One forgets his place and thinks everything is about himself. Pity he is wearing the WC jersey, because his ego might make him think he can win back to back, if and only if, his season does not go as he planned (ie: seek redemption on home soil). Evans has already said the course is not as good for him as the 2009. Hopefully he does not forget.

BMC getting a Tour invite confirms one thing. Evans will not win the Giro. He wouldn't have won it anyway but this just cements that in place. Might as well give Sastre the win right now. Heck, I predicted all the teams that would get invites. Not one wrong. This year really has been predictable. I don't see it changing. Evans has stated dozens of times his dream (a dream he stated he needed to accomplish to be satisfied in life) is to win the Tour. Yeah, the Giro is what Cuddles is gunning for. Evans is anything but unpredictable. He better get used to not being satisfied. He won't win the Tour but he will bust his **** off trying this year.

Aussiecyclefan94, break out the Kleenex, cause you're gonna need them. Evans won't win squat at either the Tour or Giro. Best he can hope for is 2nd and 3rd respectively.
 
See, this is where the logic falls apart.
How can Cadel ride both GT's as a contender, when the rest of the squad amounts to one mediocre support team? On paper I don't see any reliable big mountain men.
If he saves them for the Tour, he Giro chances are shot.
If he splits them, both chances are shot. He'll ride like a mountain hermit.
If he uses them at the Giro, he might go close there, but will be a joke at the Tour.
 
Aug 12, 2009
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Mellow Velo said:
See, this is where the logic falls apart.
How can Cadel ride both GT's as a contender, when the rest of the squad amounts to one mediocre support team? On paper I don't see any reliable big mountain men.
If he saves them for the Tour, he Giro chances are shot.
If he splits them, both chances are shot. He'll ride like a mountain hermit.
If he uses them at the Giro, he might go close there, but will be a joke at the Tour.

The aussie commentator Matthew Keenan had an article on the aussie tv network SBS cycling website. He said Contador would struggle to win the Giro/Tour double but had the audacity in the next paragraph to suggest that if Evans targeted the Giro, not only could he win, but winning would remove the weight off his shoulders and give him that extra thing required to win the Tour two months later. Lunacy Mellow, lunacy. Stating that the best GT rider on a bike would be lucky to pull it off but that Evans of all contenders could find the magic needed. It gets better. Keenan had suggested Evans would be better going for the Giro. He also said Evans has shown that he can win any GT, note "any", because he had come close so many times. Yeah...I disagreed with that as well. Evans has shown he cannot win because he has managed on numerous occasions to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Now you can understand part of why Aussiecyclefan94 seems like a nutter at times. Most Aussies lose all rational sense when their sporting heroes are in focus. Keenan had people agree with him that Evans could win the Giro and then "magically" find that he got to the Tour and it was easier than he thought and wolla, he is in yellow. There are numerous people in Australia who think it is that easy. We call them morons where I come from. Delusional fools at best.

If anyone wants the link and a good laugh let me know and I'll put it up.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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Galic Ho said:
The aussie commentator Matthew Keenan had an article on the aussie tv network SBS cycling website. He said Contador would struggle to win the Giro/Tour double but had the audacity in the next paragraph to suggest that if Evans targeted the Giro, not only could he win, but winning would remove the weight off his shoulders and give him that extra thing required to win the Tour two months later. Lunacy Mellow, lunacy. Stating that the best GT rider on a bike would be lucky to pull it off but that Evans of all contenders could find the magic needed. It gets better. Keenan had suggested Evans would be better going for the Giro. He also said Evans has shown that he can win any GT, note "any", because he had come close so many times. Yeah...I disagreed with that as well. Evans has shown he cannot win because he has managed on numerous occasions to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Now you can understand part of why Aussiecyclefan94 seems like a nutter at times. Most Aussies lose all rational sense when their sporting heroes are in focus. Keenan had people agree with him that Evans could win the Giro and then "magically" find that he got to the Tour and it was easier than he thought and wolla, he is in yellow. There are numerous people in Australia who think it is that easy. We call them morons where I come from. Delusional fools at best.

If anyone wants the link and a good laugh let me know and I'll put it up.

Is it on the cycling central site? I'm interested to see how many coulds, possiblies, maybes, are thrown in there.


Edit: Never mind I found it.
 
Jun 16, 2009
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Good work Gallic, you've just proven your lack of intelligence especially by basically saying that all australians are one eyed and stupid when it comes to our sportsmen. maybe I should make a folder for all your comments to bring up at a later date to show your absolute stupidity!
 
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Ferminal said:
It was an ok (i.e. he was agreeing that Evans should go flat out in the Giro and worry about the tour later) article but that line was ridiculous.

He was saying that the stress would go off evans at the tour IF he won the giro because evans seems to be so stressed out during past tours. It is a sensible point but gallic is too much of an imbocile to work that out.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
He was saying that the stress would go off evans at the tour IF he won the giro because evans seems to be so stressed out during past tours. It is a sensible point but gallic is too much of an imbocile to work that out.

I know what he was saying, but he implied that it might be the difference between second place and beating Alberto. We all know that's simply not true, and Keenan is smarter than that.
 
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Ferminal said:
I know what he was saying, but he implied that it might be the difference between second place and beating Alberto. We all know that's simply not true, and Keenan is smarter than that.

Yes, winning both is going to be a very big ask. Podium at the tour would be an excellent result at the tour.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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Mellow Velo said:
Winning the double is a big ask? Full marks for dreaming.
Shoot for them both, lose them both.

A double attempt will end in tears on both accounts. He should aim to win the lesser event.

So consensus is all for the giro and then see what happens for the tour?
 
As previously said, Menchov is hardly taking a huge dump all over Cadel in terms of talent, but by targeting the right races and racing sensibly, Menchov has put together three Grand Tour wins. It's quite clear that that duck egg next to his Grand Tour win column is a major monkey on Evans' back, and so he'd be an idiot to put all of his eggs (sorry) in the Tour basket. So he won't. But if he's still going to have half an eye on the Tour because he can't let it go, he'll sabotage his own Giro chances. But then, if he stakes everything on the Giro, even if he wins he may not have enough in the tank for the Tour (Menchov was about 65th overall in 2009!) and, when the team are invited solely on the back of him, that will reflect poorly on the team and perhaps annoy the ASO. It's a difficult balancing act for him to carry off, especially if commentators are (implicitly) suggesting that he could do the double, because even auscyclefan94 knows that's not going to happen.
 
So, Cadel's Giro team are 8 from this bunch. Note who isn't there.
BMC
Cadel Evans (Aus)
Alessandro Ballan (Ita)
Mauro Santambrogio (Ita)
Thomas Frei (Sui)
Michael Schar (Sui)
Steve Morabito (Sui)
Florian Stalder (Sui)
Jeff Louder (USA)
Brent Bookwalter (USA)
Martin Kohler (Sui)
Jackson Stewart (USA)
Chad Beyer (USA)
Danilo Wyss (Sui)
Simon Zahner (Sui)
John Murphy (USA)

I think he can forget winning the Giro, with this lot.
 
Mar 18, 2009
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And this, after Hincapie stated several times he would be doing the Giro and skipping the Tour.

Get it together Hincapie.
 
Menchov won the Giro last year with a weak team, but at least he had the odd rider or two who can go up a climb with the lead group for a little while (Ten Dam, Ardila). Evans has none of the sort.
Not to mention the TTT, where Liquigas will probably take a minute on this Bunch of Mediocre Cyclists.
 
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LTD road extremely well for menchov at the giro.

luckyboy said:
That team is a lot worse than Pharma were.

indeed.

IMO there is no way he can podium on both.
If he goes all out at the giro - which i have my doubts... hope for his sake he thinks logically and does (no way he will beat AC at the tour) - expect little at the tour. Especially with such a pathetic team at the giro, which will mean he will have to work that much harder.
 
I thought I had a good knowledge of pro cyclists, until I saw this roster.
Two names, less than half a dozen lower enders and the rest are a mystery to me.
Suggests that Cadel it riding the Giro to be seen in the rainbow and that Angelo Zomegnan should have given their invite to Ceramica Cobra.

Saxo also intend to send another odds and sods shower. They deserve the order of the boot, too.
 
Jun 16, 2009
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issoisso said:
And this, after Hincapie stated several times he would be doing the Giro and skipping the Tour.

Get it together Hincapie.

Never stated he was doing the giro. Check his twitter as it states he's doing the tour.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
So, Cadel's Giro team are 8 from this bunch. Note who isn't there.
BMC
Cadel Evans (Aus)
Alessandro Ballan (Ita)
Mauro Santambrogio (Ita)
Thomas Frei (Sui)
Michael Schar (Sui)
Steve Morabito (Sui)

Florian Stalder (Sui)
Jeff Louder (USA)
Brent Bookwalter (USA)
Martin Kohler (Sui)
Jackson Stewart (USA)
Chad Beyer (USA)
Danilo Wyss (Sui)
Simon Zahner (Sui)
John Murphy (USA)

I think he can forget winning the Giro, with this lot.

That's the team who will be riding barring no injury. Shouldn't it be 9?
 
Mar 13, 2009
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hate to say it, but with that course and this team...it's not looking good. The field in general looks pretty soft compared to last year.

Actually vandevelde could surprise