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Only God can judge Pozzato!- True or False?

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sandman said:
the tat is kinda stupid but nothing different from what most football/basketball stars have.

I find it interesting that as soon as there is someone in the pelaton that tries to be different and edgy, cycling fans get all butthurt about it.

Cycling is so bland; we need more people like Pippo and Cippollini

this besides the point that cycling needs to change the way jerseys are set up so we can actually see which rider is who and be able to distinguish one from another.

but we could also keep everything the same...if the sport wants to stay as insignificant as it is compared to football/basketball,etc.

Cycling is bland? LOL. I guess I can see how you might think it's bland if you've never followed the sport.

Just in the past week we have had FLandis served an international arrest warrant for hacking an anti-doping lab, Joe Papp busted for trafficking PED's to 187 clients, and now are discussing Pozatto's messiah complex and silly NASCAR image. If that's bland I don't know what else you're looking for man. Go back to watching WWF and MMA maybe?
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
So he is going to get "THUG LIFE" on is belly next? Pretty soon he will have to add "That which doesn't kill me makes me stronger" to complete the tattoo cilche world tour.

Its funny, him getting a thug life tattoo was exactly what I was thinking about. unless of course, someone slips him a lil wayne record first. Then I reckon we'll see some teardrops tattooed below his eye.
 
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Tattoos are definitely not tasteful in my opinion, but who cares?? It's nuts when people jump at the opportunity to brand a flamboyant rider as being soft or as a jerk. Anyone who saw Pippo's Het Volk win or 20-minute solo chase after being crashed into at Roubaix in '08 knows that Pippo is tough as nails.

The criticisms all sound a lot like what got thrown at Cipo a decade ago, even if Cipo did have more victories. Then it was the same b.s.--Cipo isn't a serious athlete, too soft for the mountains, blah blah blah. Cipo won Ghent-Wevelgem three times and pulled Museeuw through Arenberg on MG-GB before the sponsors decided Cipo should just get sprint wins and make them lots of money. It's what good pros do.

What says the most about Pippo is not his flamboyant (or even obnoxious) public persona. It's how his peers treat him. It's seems that the cream of the peloton has a lot of respect for, and even genuine friendship with, Pippo. The way he handled riding on a very star-heavy Quick Step squad under Boonen and Bettini also shows that Pippo might not be such a selfish *** after all. He managed to get results there and support the bigger stars before leaving the team on good terms with everyone, it seems. I think the real jerks of the peloton can, instead, be found by looking for the riders who can't play nice with the other kids in school:

-when the whole peloton chants and shouts at you at the dinner table to shame you into going home early as punishment for crashing out a well-respected rider, you're probably a bit of an idiot (Graeme Brown)

-when the whole peloton seems to think it's okay to attack your race leader while his pants are down, your team probably acted fairly stupidly towards its peers (Team Sky)

-when established, star riders pretend to judge you harshly for doping, they probably just think you're an *** rather than a "cheater" (Riccardo Ricco)
 
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BikeCentric said:
Hey now, just because Pippo happens to have a d-bag image does not mean he isn't a great rider. He's an excellent Classics rider who also happens to be a preening white-trash dandy off the bike.

dichotomy much?
 
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BikeCentric said:
Cycling is bland? LOL. I guess I can see how you might think it's bland if you've never followed the sport.

Just in the past week we have had FLandis served an international arrest warrant for hacking an anti-doping lab, Joe Papp busted for trafficking PED's to 187 clients, and now are discussing Pozatto's messiah complex and silly NASCAR image. If that's bland I don't know what else you're looking for man. Go back to watching WWF and MMA maybe?

You misunderstood, i probably did not express myself good enough.

Cycling to any cycling outsider: bland

cycling to insider: exciting

I agree, cycling is to me more so than any other sport a constant soap opera-there are plenty of things happening all the time.

What I consider bland is:

- unlike basketball/football players (soccer for NA) 99% of cyclists in pro poloton look the same; unless the camera is zoomed in or someone is distinguished as world champion/national champion/leader jersey etc. its almost impossible to recognize who is who- it all boils down to branding and cycling does not have enough of it

- anyone that is different and tries to bring a new element of the sport is easily bashed by fans and cycling journalist w the b.s. mantras: see Cippo; Pippo; any rider that tries to be different- they are labeled as lazy, pretty boys, party boys, etc.

- any sponsor trying to do something different is being put down and pushed out by its own cycling fans; example Rock Racing. They messed up with how they treated their riders and who they got on their team but their initial mission; bring something new to the sport, a *GASP* exciting and hip brand that has major recognition in the world...but no it seems cycling prefers koffee machine makers/ pharma companies/ betton producers,etc.

ok, it is getting better w columbia/htc and sky...recognizable brands

my main point i guess: if cycling wants to grow to the bigger leagues; more fans; bigger sponsorships then it will need to change a lot of its ways and its marketing

until then, we'll have plenty of "pro's" who make 20k a year and crash on their friends couches trying to make it
 
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Tattoos are definitely not tasteful in my opinion, but who cares?? It's nuts when people jump at the opportunity to brand a flamboyant rider as being soft or as a jerk. Anyone who saw Pippo's Het Volk win or 20-minute solo chase after being crashed into at Roubaix in '08 knows that Pippo is tough as nails.

The criticisms all sound a lot like what got thrown at Cipo a decade ago, even if Cipo did have more victories. Then it was the same b.s.--Cipo isn't a serious athlete, too soft for the mountains, blah blah blah. Cipo won Ghent-Wevelgem three times and pulled Museeuw through Arenberg on MG-GB before the sponsors decided Cipo should just get sprint wins and make them lots of money. It's what good pros do.

What says the most about Pippo is not his flamboyant (or even obnoxious) public persona. It's how his peers treat him. It's seems that the cream of the peloton has a lot of respect for, and even genuine friendship with, Pippo. The way he handled riding on a very star-heavy Quick Step squad under Boonen and Bettini also shows that Pippo might not be such a selfish *** after all. He managed to get results there and support the bigger stars before leaving the team on good terms with everyone, it seems. I think the real jerks of the peloton can, instead, be found by looking for the riders who can't play nice with the other kids in school:

-when the whole peloton chants and shouts at you at the dinner table to shame you into going home early as punishment for crashing out a well-respected rider, you're probably a bit of an idiot (Graeme Brown)

-when the whole peloton seems to think it's okay to attack your race leader while his pants are down, your team probably acted fairly stupidly towards its peers (Team Sky)

-when established, star riders pretend to judge you harshly for doping, they probably just think you're an *** rather than a "cheater" (Riccardo Ricco)

I am not judging him as a rider or jerk. I am judging his personality based on his tattoos, and they and he are LAME with a capital LAME. I love my tattoos, and whether or not anyone thinks they are tasteful is simply not a care that I have. I doubt that Pozzato cares what I think of his tattoos. That still doesn't mean I can't and shouldn't comment on his choice of tats. Me, I have RESTRAINT tattooed in reverse on my chest so I see it in the mirror every morning...its there more for guidance than anything else. I have others, but that one is the most important one.
 
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sandman said:
my main point i guess: if cycling wants to grow to the bigger leagues; more fans; bigger sponsorships then it will need to change a lot of its ways and its marketing

until then, we'll have plenty of "pro's" who make 20k a year and crash on their friends couches trying to make it

Cycling will never be "that" sport, it's just not TV friendly enough. It's too long, too spontaneous and too complex for the casual fan. How would you fit live cycling into a one-hour TV programme with ad breaks? Have neutralised sections every 15 minutes? If cycling ever starts chasing TV ratings, it'll lose its essence.
 
Thoughtforfood said:
I am not judging him as a rider or jerk. I am judging his personality based on his tattoos, and they and he are LAME with a capital LAME. I love my tattoos, and whether or not anyone thinks they are tasteful is simply not a care that I have. I doubt that Pozzato cares what I think of his tattoos. That still doesn't mean I can't and shouldn't comment on his choice of tats. Me, I have RESTRAINT tattooed in reverse on my chest so I see it in the mirror every morning...its there more for guidance than anything else. I have others, but that one is the most important one.

Man, I was sure you were kidding about that!:D
 
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Hibbles said:
Cycling will never be "that" sport, it's just not TV friendly enough. It's too long, too spontaneous and too complex for the casual fan. How would you fit live cycling into a one-hour TV programme with ad breaks? Have neutralised sections every 15 minutes? If cycling ever starts chasing TV ratings, it'll lose its essence.

nay sayers will say nay

just because it might never gonna be that sport, doesnt mean we can't try new things, change things up, experiment on some levels

i've seen huge change in cycling popularity in the US since I came here in 98; worlds of difference, there is so much more room for growth.

Maybe one day we can even have a sport where the minimum salary is not embarassing and hovering around the poverty line
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Me, I have RESTRAINT tattooed in reverse on my chest so I see it in the mirror every morning...its there more for guidance than anything else.

Why not just print "RESTRAINT" on your mirror?

Or is this comment just a joke, I hope?
 
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How many of you guys who are critisizing his tattoo have actually lived in Italy? I have for some time, and I can assure you that what passes as acceptable or cool in Italian culture is completely different than what passes as cool in North America. In my time there most of my friends wore white-capri-pants, huge gold chains and rings, faux-hawks, crazy tattoos, tight T-shirts with metallic prints on them.... In north america these things would label you a D-bag, but in Italy its a different ballgame.... after 2 months there I was considering buying capri pants myself.... until I came back to Canada and came to my senses.

All I'm saying is: Differnt strokes for different folks... props to Pozzato for doing whatever it is he wants to do and being a colourful character. Sure he has hs idiosyncracies, but at the end of the day he seems like a decent guy that adds some character to the Peloton.... yes, much like Cipo.
 
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How many of you guys who are critisizing his tattoo have actually lived in Italy? I have for some time, and I can assure you that what passes as acceptable or cool in Italian culture is completely different than what passes as cool in North America. In my time there most of my friends wore white-capri-pants, huge gold chains and rings, faux-hawks, crazy tattoos, tight T-shirts with metallic prints on them.... In north america these things would label you a D-bag, but in Italy its a different ballgame.... after 2 months there I was considering buying capri pants myself.... until I came back to Canada and came to my senses.

All I'm saying is: Differnt strokes for different folks... props to Pozzato for doing whatever it is he wants to do and being a colourful character. Sure he has hs idiosyncracies, but at the end of the day he seems like a decent guy that adds some character to the Peloton.... yes, much like Cipo.

I lived in Italy for a year and have visited for 2-3 weeks a year for the last 10 years.

While you are correct that on occasion the Italians sartorial choices can be questionable I assure you that are large sections of the population that think Pozzato is a dork.
 
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Stage 18, 2004 Tour de France. One rider, who had testified against a certain doping doctor, was chased, abused, spat on and forced from the peloton. A famous rider used the 'zip the lips' gesture as a message to the rest of the peloton.

hmronnow said:
Out of interest, can you elaborate?

to clarify...

from wiki

Some early drama was provided when Italian rider Filippo Simeoni, who has claimed that a doctor with ties to Armstrong had told him how to take performance enhancing drugs without being caught, tried to join an early (and, as it would turn out, successful) break. Armstrong himself chased him down - unusual for a team leader and yellow jersey, especially since Simeoni was no threat to Armstrong in the overall standings. Armstrong, taking upon himself the self-styled role of 'boss' or 'le patron' of the peloton in the tradition of others in the past such as Bernard Hinault, forced his will and stayed with the break until they got two minutes ahead, at which point the rest of the break asked Simeoni to leave, which he did, followed by Armstrong. Simeoni harshly criticized Armstrong in the press following the stage, while Armstrong maintained that he was protecting the interests of the peloton, and accused Simeoni of trying to destroy professional cycling.
Left alone, and with US Postal controlling the peloton, the rest of the break rapidly pulled away. They held a lead of up to 7 minutes until the third climb, after which they moved even further ahead. Their advantage peaked at around 12'00". Into the final 20 km the group of six began to split as the attacks came. With 10 km to the finish Mercado and Garcia-Acosta attacked and made it away, they worked together into the final kilometre, Mercado just winning the sprint - his first ever stage win. The peloton came in 11'29" down led by Thor Hushovd.


the six riders in the break,
Juan Miguel Mercado (Spain)
José Vicente García Acosta (Spain)
Dmitriy Fofonov (Kazakhstan)
Sébastien Joly (France)
Marc Lotz (Netherlands)
Juan Antonio Flecha (Spain)
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
So he is going to get "THUG LIFE" on is belly next? Pretty soon he will have to add "That which doesn't kill me makes me stronger" to complete the tattoo cilche world tour.

Don't forget LOVE and HATE across his knuckles. Or if he wants to advertise his bravado in his mother tongue, perhaps AMORE and ODIO.
 

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It's TRUE......only God can judge Pozzato.

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God: ...and you need to get your hair cut or else I wont invite you to do a video in the back of the bus.

PP: Bene.

God: And another thing, all those Blonde groupies at the end of each stage are mine - its in the contract with Zomegnan. You can have the bunettes.

PP: Grazie, LordStrong, how can I ever repay you?

God: Just keep riding piano....nice and slowly.
 
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Hibbles said:
How would you fit live cycling into a one-hour TV programme with ad breaks? Have neutralised sections every 15 minutes? If cycling ever starts chasing TV ratings, it'll lose its essence.

Its called track.. its not all about the road you know.. ;)
 
dimspace said:
to clarify...

from wiki

Some early drama was provided when Italian rider Filippo Simeoni, who has claimed that a doctor with ties to Armstrong had told him how to take performance enhancing drugs without being caught, tried to join an early (and, as it would turn out, successful) break. Armstrong himself chased him down - unusual for a team leader and yellow jersey, especially since Simeoni was no threat to Armstrong in the overall standings. Armstrong, taking upon himself the self-styled role of 'boss' or 'le patron' of the peloton in the tradition of others in the past such as Bernard Hinault, forced his will and stayed with the break until they got two minutes ahead, at which point the rest of the break asked Simeoni to leave, which he did, followed by Armstrong. Simeoni harshly criticized Armstrong in the press following the stage, while Armstrong maintained that he was protecting the interests of the peloton, and accused Simeoni of trying to destroy professional cycling.
Left alone, and with US Postal controlling the peloton, the rest of the break rapidly pulled away. They held a lead of up to 7 minutes until the third climb, after which they moved even further ahead. Their advantage peaked at around 12'00". Into the final 20 km the group of six began to split as the attacks came. With 10 km to the finish Mercado and Garcia-Acosta attacked and made it away, they worked together into the final kilometre, Mercado just winning the sprint - his first ever stage win. The peloton came in 11'29" down led by Thor Hushovd.


the six riders in the break,
Juan Miguel Mercado (Spain)
José Vicente García Acosta (Spain)
Dmitriy Fofonov (Kazakhstan)
Sébastien Joly (France)
Marc Lotz (Netherlands)
Juan Antonio Flecha (Spain)

Perhaps my reading comprehension isn't quite up to par (I'm sure, without naming names, I'm not the only one here ;) ), but I don't see any connection to Pippo with Armstrong chasing down Simeoni. I read that wiki and the cyclingnews report (http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/tour04/?id=results/stage18) of the stage but didn't see Pippo's name anywhere. Was he one of the riders in the peloton who spit on Simeoni? Or does he just bown down to Lord StongArm?
 
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sublimit said:
the guy obviously loves himself.. but i dont see Jesus having a Pozzato Tattoo any time soon.

probably trying to impress slightly gullible ladies by the looks of it..

I changed "JOB" to "WORK", which is what I meant in the faust place.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
It's TRUE......only God can judge Pozzato.

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God: ...and you need to get your hair cut or else I wont invite you to do a video in the back of the bus.

PP: Bene.

God: And another thing, all those Blonde groupies at the end of each stage are mine - its in the contract with Zomegnan. You can have the bunettes.

PP: Grazie, LordStrong, how can I ever repay you?

God: Just keep riding piano....nice and slowly.
:D

bwhahahahahaha

thanks for that! happy friday all!