Oscar Pistorius

[Briant_Gumble]

He turned out to be a violent psycho and Roid Rage. No doubt he was on the juice just look at his jaw line. What a freak.

It's not like he had time to clear out his house maybe the police will find some PEDs during their search of his house like some "butter" in the fridge or something.

Personally I'm not convinced by a jaw line being the most tell tale sign of roid use. An enlarged cranium like Barry Bonds could show HGH use but I'm not too familiar with the jaw line thing, I thought that had a lot to do with genetics.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Because the original topic was Pistorius cheating able bodied athletes. Then it was him complaining about another amputee using better engineered prosthetics than he had. Then it was a media created sports idol turning out to be a violent psycho.

Okay, must be my lack of funny bones, I did not see the humour in recent events.

Thanks for the explanation nevertheless.

 

[Descender]

OK enough with the lame jokes already.

 

[BroDeal]

OK enough with the lame jokes already.

Otherwise the mods will cut you off at the knees.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Stop it now.

Susan

 

[workingclasshero]

Otherwise the mods will cut you off at the knees.

excellent post

 

[silverrocket]

Statement was released by the Pistorius family today. Mixed in with the expected strong denial of the murder, and condolences to Steenkamp's family, they saw fit to include:

"Oscar Pistorius has made history as an Olympic and Paralympic sportsman and has been an inspiration to others the world over."

This sounds so much like Armstrong's "I've done too many good things for too man people" statement as part of his earlier denials of doping.

I find it quite repugnant that Pistorius kills his girlfriend (whether accidental or not) and immediately releases a statement that includes self-promotion of his career.

Pistorius's family has also brought in a PR expert from Europe.

 

[hrotha]

OK enough with the lame jokes already.

I can't believe I hadn't seen that one before

 

[alitogata]

Unless you know him personally, it's very, very difficult to be able to form a realistic picture of what someone in public life is like in private.

In the end, this is a huge tragedy, but the evidence if properly identified and collected will ultimately tell the truth of the events.

I am sorry you cannot possibly know.

Come on.. You kill someone that you hate, or you don't want to live with, you can kill someone for a thousand reasons, but if you are really evil, you try to have at least an alibi. You don't **** up your life and your athletic carrier because you don't want to be with a person. Someone evil would have hired someone from the streets of Pretoria to kill her.. the perfect crime and a perfect excuse in an area of huge criminality.

roids r bd mmkay

Didn't get a word.. really..

 

[Cloxxki]

It would be mighty interesting if a smart lawyer decides to drag in experts saying it was roid rage. Athletic and political careers over anyway, let's skip a couple years of jail time.
He'd get a reduced sentence, like 10 years, excluded from sports for life due to the extra-uncool act of doping at paralympic sports when he was unbeatable anyway, and THEN sport will have to take roids more seriously. As in, pop tests at high school football (errr rugby) trainings and matches. Actual testing on the samples. Etc, etc. Oh, and fitness clubs. Roid ban, treated as a nasty narcotic.
Pistorius would, over the body of an innocent woman, unintentionally have done some actual good for sports, amateur and professional.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

It would be mighty interesting if a smart lawyer decides to drag in experts saying it was roid rage. Athletic and political careers over anyway, let's skip a couple years of jail time.
He'd get a reduced sentence, like 10 years, excluded from sports for life due to the extra-uncool act of doping at paralympic sports when he was unbeatable anyway, and THEN sport will have to take roids more seriously. As in, pop tests at high school football (errr rugby) trainings and matches. Actual testing on the samples. Etc, etc. Oh, and fitness clubs. Roid ban, treated as a nasty narcotic.
Pistorius would, over the body of an innocent woman, unintentionally have done some actual good for sports, amateur and professional.

He did get beaten.

 

[alitogata]

It would be mighty interesting if a smart lawyer decides to drag in experts saying it was roid rage. Athletic and political careers over anyway, let's skip a couple years of jail time.
He'd get a reduced sentence, like 10 years, excluded from sports for life due to the extra-uncool act of doping at paralympic sports when he was unbeatable anyway, and THEN sport will have to take roids more seriously. As in, pop tests at high school football (errr rugby) trainings and matches. Actual testing on the samples. Etc, etc. Oh, and fitness clubs. Roid ban, treated as a nasty narcotic.
Pistorius would, over the body of an innocent woman, unintentionally have done some actual good for sports, amateur and professional.

Is there any other similar incident or case like this?

I mean murder done from an athlete in roid rage? Because if there isn't it will be very difficult for Pistorius' lawyers to prove such a claim, even if they want to use it as an extenuation.

You see lawyers can't even prove in some cases that someone is doped, imagine how hard is to prove that someone made a murder because he was doped though he never got caught doped in his races.

Who are they going to blame then? His suppliers for instigation to murder or those who found him clean in the Olympics for instigation to possible murder ?? Pistorius, the doctors, the suppliers, the labs or all of them?

Interesting legal case thought..If it'll ever gets to the courts this way though I doubt this going to happen.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

Is there any other similar incident or case like this?

I mean murder done from an athlete in roid rage? Because if there isn't it will be very difficult for Pistorius' lawyers to prove such a claim, even if they want to use it as an extenuation.

You see lawyers can't even prove in some cases that someone is doped, imagine how hard is to prove that someone made a murder because he was doped though he never got caught doped in his races.

Who are they going to blame then? His suppliers for instigation to murder or those who found him clean in the Olympics for instigation to possible murder ?? Pistorius, the doctors, the suppliers, the labs or all of them?

Interesting legal case thought..If it'll ever gets to the courts this way though I doubt this going to happen.

That would be strange, the defense trying to prove he doped while the prosecution try to say he never doped.

 

[alitogata]

That would be strange, the defense trying to prove he doped while the prosecution try to say he never doped.

Just surreal..

 

[blackcat]

Just surreal..

wheel out Dave Brower and his Trust But.

he always could find an angle easier than a heavy wheeler driving threw a needle

 

[sublimit]

Pistoriuos bringing in PR people will keep the prosecution team on their toes.

 

[Cerberus]

It would be mighty interesting if a smart lawyer decides to drag in experts saying it was roid rage. Athletic and political careers over anyway, let's skip a couple years of jail time.
He'd get a reduced sentence, like 10 years, excluded from sports for life due to the extra-uncool act of doping at paralympic sports when he was unbeatable anyway, and THEN sport will have to take roids more seriously. As in, pop tests at high school football (errr rugby) trainings and matches. Actual testing on the samples. Etc, etc. Oh, and fitness clubs. Roid ban, treated as a nasty narcotic.
Pistorius would, over the body of an innocent woman, unintentionally have done some actual good for sports, amateur and professional.

I'm not sure if Roid rage qualifies as a defense. An explanation sure, but I don't think voluntary use of drugs is an extenuating circumstance. Whether it's Alcohol, Steroids or mind altering drugs. Anybody who knows anything about criminal law who can confirm er deconfirm my belief here?

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

I'm not sure if Roid rage qualifies as a defense. An explanation sure, but I don't think voluntary use of drugs is an extenuating circumstance. Whether it's Alcohol, Steroids or mind altering drugs. Anybody who knows anything about criminal law who can confirm er deconfirm my belief here?

I do not think that voluntary taking of illegal drugs or taking of legal drugs in an illegal should be in anyway a extenuating circumstance. If a person does a crime under these circumstances they should be held fully responsible. If breaking the law causes them to break the law more, bad luck. One case of breaking the law should not be an extenuating circumstance.
Of course if a person legally take a legal drug, or a person was forced to take a drug or was unknowingly administered drugs, and it has unforeseeable problems, then that would be extenuating circumstances.
So if Pistorius has been knowingly taking steroids and they caused roid rage and that lead to him killing his girlfriend it should be seen as irrelevant, he should be punished as if he was completely unaffected by anything.

What the law in South Africa says I have no idea, above is just my very untrained opinion.

 

[Bicycle]

Roid rage would most certainly not be a defence - in the same way as drunkenness would not wash.

The influence of drugs prescribed by a licensed physician might be a different matter if it could be proved they caused diminished responsibility.

 

[hrotha]

Theoretically speaking, could a doping doctor who had "prescribed" him with steroids be legally accountable to any degree?

note: this is just a thought exercise. I don't think it has anything to do with Pistorius's case.

 

[Red Rick]

Any idea what kind of penalty Pistorius could get if he's found guilty? 15 years? Life? Death penalty? And if the judge believes the story, could Pistorius still be charged for something?

 

[ultimobici]

Any idea what kind of penalty Pistorius could get if he's found guilty? 15 years? Life? Death penalty? And if the judge believes the story, could Pistorius still be charged for something?

Life, up to 25 years. Death penalty is not on the statute any more In SA. Wouldn't have applied to rich little white boy any how.

 

[Cerberus]

Any idea what kind of penalty Pistorius could get if he's found guilty? 15 years? Life? Death penalty? And if the judge believes the story, could Pistorius still be charged for something?

Well even if the judge believes him a reckless homicide charge might be an option. You know, opening fire without checking if it was someone you should be shooting at.

 

[sublimit]

Life, up to 25 years. Death penalty is not on the statute any more In SA. Wouldn't have applied to rich little white boy any how.

The thing is he shot a little white girl so I reckon he's in deep ****, like confiscating his prophetic legs and banning him from carrying firearms etc

 

[Colonel]

What f-ing type of comment is that? He shot some little white girl? It makes no difference if she was black, white or green. He still shot her dead and his history of beating up his ex chicks is well known in SA along with all the other stuff he gets up to.

Have respect for her and her family. How would you like it if someone called your wife, sister for similar some little white girl if they had to get shot?