Oscar Pistorius

[Fortyninefourteen]

Too bad he didn't even think to yell "Come out with your hands up!" ..or something logical like that

Who just blasts four shots into a locked door without even a warning?
amazing he's not killed several people before with that tactic...

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It would be advisable to stay away from Mexican food or prunes while staying as a guest "Chez Oscar".....

 

[Pazuzu]

Too bad he didn't even think to yell "Come out with your hands up!" ..or something logical like that

Who just blasts four shots into a locked door without even a warning?

Supposing a jury accepts Pistorius' version of events, does anyone know if they'll be given the option of finding him guilty of manslaughter, rather than having to decide between premeditated first degree murder and not guilty due to self-defense?

 

[peterst6906]

Supposing a jury accepts Pistorius' version of events, does anyone know if they'll be given the option of finding him guilty of manslaughter, rather than having to decide between premeditated first degree murder and not guilty due to self-defense?

There are no jury trials in South Africa. The trial will be in front of a judge only. I suspect he/she will have some options, but it still has to be determined whether the case will stay at the current level or go immediately to a higher court, so who knows.

 

[Cyivel]

The shooty cop has resigned.

 

[Galic Ho]

In a new twist to the Pistorius case, the athletics superstar now wants to be allowed to travel overseas, return to his mansion where he shot dead Reeva Steenkamp and skip drug testing.

So whaddya think now people? Still wondering how dirty this scum bag is?

If you'd accidentally killed your partner, would you want to return to the place of the lowest moment in your life? Or if you are full blown sociopath would you like to go back to your shrine and relive your sick twisted fantasy?

Oh and Nike's new poster boy wants to be allowed to travel freely PLUS have the option to renege on drug testing.

Someone should put this vermin down and do everyone a favour or lock him away and throw the key away. I have no doubt now of this guys guilt. Any contrite and remorseful person would not dare ask for this. Heck they'd be grateful bail was granted given the nature of their crime. Only someone with major psychological traits that are synonymous with sociopaths, would have the arrogance and belief to do this. Over indulged sense of self entitlement thrown in to. Odds of this getting approved? High. Really high. South Africa after all have a rapist as their President.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ican-sets-a-date/story-fnddckzi-1226593659179

 

[Briant_Gumble]

No more drug tests?

So much for Testo-compo-bompo-gobbledygook.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Also, WTF?

South Africa have a rapist for their president?

I don't think anyone for a second believes if he flies out of the country that he will be flying back in.

 

[D-Queued]

Who knew that killing your girlfriend in cold blood could be so inconvenient?

Dave.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Overreacting

So whaddya think now people? Still wondering how dirty this scum bag is?

If you'd accidentally killed your partner, would you want to return to the place of the lowest moment in your life? Or if you are full blown sociopath would you like to go back to your shrine and relive your sick twisted fantasy?

Oh and Nike's new poster boy wants to be allowed to travel freely PLUS have the option to renege on drug testing.

Someone should put this vermin down and do everyone a favour or lock him away and throw the key away. I have no doubt now of this guys guilt. Any contrite and remorseful person would not dare ask for this. Heck they'd be grateful bail was granted given the nature of their crime. Only someone with major psychological traits that are synonymous with sociopaths, would have the arrogance and belief to do this. Over indulged sense of self entitlement thrown in to. Odds of this getting approved? High. Really high. South Africa after all have a rapist as their President

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ican-sets-a-date/story-fnddckzi-1226593659179

What do I think? You are way over-reacting. Firstly, all the Daily Telegraph article only says is he wants to change his bail conditions. That does not mean they will be changed. The judge will decide. But simply because he wants to change his bail conditions does not mean the guy is guilty.

Sure the defence put forward at first blush seems absurd, especially when you see the layout of the bedroom/bathroom and the very unlikely scenario someone could break in through the bathroom window. It sounds more like to me Reeva p)$$ed him off (probably very easy to do) and his short fuse reacted by grabbing the gun and shooting her.

Is Oscar a sociopath? We don't know because we do not have a medical diagnosis. Are some of his past and present behaviours indicative of a possibly sociopathetic personality. Sure they are. Did drugs play a role in his reputation as a hot head (or subliminally in his performances)? Perhaps. Was it the continued use of PEDs that explains his erratic behaviour over the last couple of years? Maybe.

However if I am defending Oscar and I want the heat and furor to die down, I would want my client somewhere other than SA. That means reporting conditions have to be changed. Oscar may have medical evidence that he doesn't need drug testing? It may be he has legitimate business interests outside of SA he needs to attend to. For example saving his endorsements to have income to pay his lawyer. But think about it the guy is fightng for his life.

Sure on the face of it, Oscar wanting to move home is a bit goulish, but the news reports out of SA indicate there is a split in the family and perhaps living at his uncle's house is untenable.

Also keep in mind, that the state's response to this application may reveal a gold mine of information that the defence may not otherwise get through disclosure. So maybe a bail application to change conditions is a legal tactical manoeuvre by his lawyer. And when you make that kind of application you ask for more than you are likely to get.

While I am not sympathetic to Oscar's story, by law he is still innocent until proven guilty. And I suspect you are a law abiding citizen and as such abide by the law. Guilt is based on evidence and not rhetoric, innuendo and speculation.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-shares-race-horse-bid-pay-200-000-bill.html

Apparently there was a massive number of texts on Miss Steenkamps phone that she sent just before she died.

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-shares-race-horse-bid-pay-200-000-bill.html

Apparently there was a massive number of texts on Miss Steenkamps phone that she sent just before she died.

Hmmm... it says that they are working through a massive number of texts. Not that they were sent just before she died.

Not that there might have been some... but that is not what it says.

Dave.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Hmmm... it says that they are working through a massive number of texts. Not that they were sent just before she died.

Not that there might have been some... but that is not what it says.

Dave.

Re-reading it thats what it says, I guess it was meaning in the weeks and months before her death not so much the night of the shooting, I mis-interpreted it.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I wonder if she was able to send any texts from the bathroom...

 

[D-Queued]

Re-reading it thats what it says, I guess it was meaning in the weeks and months before her death not so much the night of the shooting, I mis-interpreted it.

I think we are all hopeful that they have something definitive.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I think we are all hopeful that they have something definitive.

Dave.

in the heat of emotion..I'm willing to bet that Pistorius made some pretty big gaffs as far as clues and evidence.

It seems like more info keeps coming in on his temper and character....hard to keep crazy stuff and wild behavior from surfacing if that is the way he really conducted himself.

As was mentioned above somewhere...if they give him enough rope he may end up helping to hang himself

 

[horsinabout]

So whaddya think now people? Still wondering how dirty this scum bag is?

If you'd accidentally killed your partner, would you want to return to the place of the lowest moment in your life? Or if you are full blown sociopath would you like to go back to your shrine and relive your sick twisted fantasy?

Oh and Nike's new poster boy wants to be allowed to travel freely PLUS have the option to renege on drug testing.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ican-sets-a-date/story-fnddckzi-1226593659179

What ever happened to the blooded bat? In the video, Replace Johnny with Oscar and you may have your scenario.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n47U-v3v1-Q

It's not the first time a women has taken refuge in a bathroom, running from a sociopath....why a bathroom, it is the only room in the house with a lock on it..

Watch the video for a reconstruction....replace axe with firearm, Johnny with Oscar and Wendy with Reeva and your nearly there.

REDRUM

Edit..ment as irony to all the speculation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FfO-y6pVlo

 

[Benotti69]

in the heat of emotion..I'm willing to bet that Pistorius made some pretty big gaffs as far as clues and evidence.

It seems like more info keeps coming in on his temper and character....hard to keep crazy stuff and wild behavior from surfacing if that is the way he really conducted himself.

As was mentioned above somewhere...if they give him enough rope he may end up helping to hang himself

"Oscar Pistorius is a broken man "on the verge of suicide" as he battles a charge of premeditated murder, a friend has said."

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/...RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

 

[frenchfry]

"Oscar Pistorius is a broken man "on the verge of suicide" as he battles a charge of premeditated murder, a friend has said."

I think I read somewhere that he is now handling his own PR campaign. Could this be an amateur attempt to get some sympathy?

I will try to feel sorry for a scumbag that wasted his girlfriend with 4 bullets through a locked door.

 

[Benotti69]

The levels of corruption are so high in SA that i dont think we will ever hear the truth.

I dont feel sorry for the guy. His attitide when beaten by another guy on blades spoke volumes about Pistorius.

 

[BroDeal]

Some country's military needs to give this guy a set of all terrain prosthetics, maybe a leg gun like the one Jessica Alba had in Grindhouse's Planet Terror. He would be a one man army. Of course, he might only be effective when fighting unarmed women.

 

[mewmewmew13]

The levels of corruption are so high in SA that i dont think we will ever hear the truth.

I dont feel sorry for the guy. His attitide when beaten by another guy on blades spoke volumes about Pistorius.

that one opened my eyes ...it was the first time I paid much attention to him.
"His blades are bigger than mine"

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

The levels of corruption are so high in SA that i dont think we will ever hear the truth.

I dont feel sorry for the guy. His attitide when beaten by another guy on blades spoke volumes about Pistorius.

This.

I wasn't cool with him being in the Olys (for reasons that were gone over in depth last year), but once he started to p*ss about the other blade runner at the ParaOlys I really started to dislike him.

 

[Galic Ho]

Also, WTF?

South Africa have a rapist for their president?

I don't think anyone for a second believes if he flies out of the country that he will be flying back in.

Zuma Zuma. Went on trial for rape...I'm not even sure it went that far. Any other country in the world he'd have been convicted. The woman had aids, not a joke, and he had unprotected intercourse with her AGAINST her will. No sane person would do that willingly whilst she is yelling that she is not the best choice to do anything sexual to because of her ailment. The only logical outcome given her pleas and physical impediemnt was that she was raped. But the justice system in South Africa is a shambles. The victim was basically laughed at.

@RobbieCannuck. Over reacting is asking for special privileges given the nature of the crime. It is unfathomable to a decent individual who would have innocently committed such a disturbing act to even contemplate not asking, but demanding such things. It's psychologically a major tell. The overbearing sense of self entitlement one has ingrained onto their psyche is clear as the sky. Well a very dark sky. It all fits the profile of a sociopath or a psychopath. Specifically which one Pistorius is...well I'd let a non South African behavioural profiler take a stab at that.

You're quick to provide excuses for this sad excuse for a human being. Sure you say you're not sympathetic but you listed numerous excuses for the man. How about the psychological approach? No drug testing! Free travel out of South Africa! Undesirable family issues! It's called coughing up your considerable accumulated wealth and buying new digs. Or living in a hotel. The man can afford it. If he has to the house goes on the market. It's not like he shot a young woman in the prime of life in the head four times! His rights, don't exist. He's at the mercy of the justice system. Any contrite innocent person wouldn't ask for more than bail. IMO he doesn't deserve that. He's not asking, he is demanding. That sense of self aggrandizing importance, of elevated superiority goes hand in hand with a jealous controlling hyper aggressive gun toting nut-job. A ticking time bomb.

But lets grant him all his requests. He's a rich national hero who is white in an impoverished black majority run nation. I say let him out. I'd wager there are quite a few who want him dead after what he has done. Problem is we know his temperament and if someone gets ****ed at him whilst on bail, he could snap again. There are more than enough accounts of his wild temper...what is to suggest if a disgruntled friend or family member of Ms Steenkamp meets him inadvertently and says something, he won't lose the plot? If you were that person, would you feel safe?

Given South Africa is South Africa with a horrible murder rate, despicable rape statistics and major gun crime, I'd say the odds of him getting into trouble locally are higher than any other western country. Perhaps that is why he wants out of South Africa? He knows someone will come and find him and deal some old fashioned revenge justice on his sorry carcass.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Totally off topic, but possibly pertinent: I learnt a few weeks ago that 1200 people a year die in police custody in SA. 1200 per year! In custody! That is crazy!

EDIT: Yup it is totally off topic. An interesting stat though. Back on topic now

cheers
bison

 

[Galic Ho]

What ever happened to the blooded bat? In the video, Replace Johnny with Osca and you may have your scenario.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n47U-v3v1-Q

It's not the first time a women has taken refuge in a bathroom, running from a sociopath....why a bathroom, it is the only room in the house with a lock on it..

Watch the video for a reconstruction....replace axe with firearm, Johnny with Osca and Wendy with Reeva and your nearly there.

REDRUM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FfO-y6pVlo

Good reference videos.

With the cricket bat I believe that was bad chinese whispers the British and South African press got a hold of. The police confirmed the bat wasn't bloody. At least that is what I last read 2 weeks ago. Pistorius said he used the bat to pry the door open to the toilet after he had shot.

Note this was around the same time certain papers were guessing the layout of the bedroom and getting it wrong. That same paper also had the bat drawn in the picture for dramatic effect.

The thing to note is Pistorius damn well knew that the person was trapped in the toilet stall within the bathroom. He had a gun. Law in South Africa is clear. You can shoot an intruder in your home IF they attack you. Someone locked in a stall is not an immediate threat. He had no legal right to shoot. He have distance and a gun regardless of whether Pistorius had his prosthetic's on or not.

The legal rights on self defense against house intruders was one of the first issues raised in papers. What I read was clear. By his own testimony, he illegally shot a person. Didn't think to ask who they were did he? Didn't warn them he was armed. He just shot. Even if it was an accident, he acted irrationally and without consideration. Hence why I believe his supposed alibi is a lie. It's a quickly put together lie. Truth be told I think he saw her iPad and found messages to other men that were sent as SMS, completely lost the plot (in tune with stories about his rage) and completely went into a hideous rage. Worse. He had guns in the house and a lack of mental restraint that would stop a normal person who was angry from wielding them against another person whom their rage/anger is directed towards. Just like the Shining videos.

IMO he lost it. I've seen people do it unarmed, sure not to that degree, but to the point where another person (me) had to physically intervene or something or someone was going to get beaten or perhaps killed. They're already highly agitated, venting and holding onto their wrath and one thing tips it over. That tipping point is never rational BTW. It's illogical. Chemical imbalance in the perpetrators brain brought on by their cognitive habits (what they think and do daily, monthly and annually aka they made a choice to be like this). I think it was jealous rage that was unleashed after finding a text from another male his insecurity deemed a rival. His story has holes all through it. It fails the common sense test.

Now somebody may excuse him with FEAR. Another psychological imperative that drives people to do and commit bad and negative things. It is also irrational. I don't buy it here. As I said, he had the person his testimony states was THOUGHT TO BE AN INTRUDER, cornered and locked in a toilet stall. They were not going to get out of the house if he backed away and got his legs other than thru a window. Anyone see the pictures of his dogs? Massive cross bred monsters who would tear chunks out of anyone who jumped into his back yard. Did he give a warning? Nope. Had all the power and control and fired. Not once, but four times. So IMO fear goes out the door as well. He wasn't afraid.