Paris - Nice 2021, March 7 - March 14

[Ricco']

Van Poppel is a former member of the team, I'm sure that played a part - I assume he left on good terms. (And while it's not a gesture that can be expected of anyone, it is not like it's some sort of sacrifice. Their day was over, it didn't really cost anything to take a strong pull - except for Qhubeka pulling in the bunch too).

Campenaerts was also a part of Jumbo in 2016 and 2017. They were both newcomers to the team in '16.

 

[titan31]

Watch it again, in the period just before Bouhanni gets dropped by Roglic. He is on the front of the duo pulling in circumstances where there is absolutely no reason for him to do so other than to help Roglic.

Similarly when Van Poppel and Campanaerts were pulling. They weren’t just naturally taking turns. Their races were over. It would have taken quite a bit of effort to not just hold on to a chasing Roglic but get into the wind ahead of him.

I’m sorry if that doesn’t fit a narrative that Roglic is some kind of social leper in the peloton.

Tbf 3 riders helping and a good 30-40 watching him ride by and giving no help does fit that narrative. As does Cofidis and Qhubeka riding so early on the front of the peleton (Bora and Astana had the GC, Cofidis or Qhubeka didn't).

I do think those 3 did help him though, and Declercq maybe did. Bouhanni in particular give his all for some reason

 

[Mayomaniac]

Kind of odd that
a proven downhill skier
would crash twice going down the same hill

Now we know why Jumbo neutralized the same descent on stage one of the last Tour.

 

[johnymax]

Now we know why Jumbo neutralized the same descent on stage one of the last Tour.

Yes. If not , they would have lost the Tour on the first stage instead on the last. The final result would be the same but sponsors wouldn't be happy.

Also imagine if MAL was there riding today

 

[Krokro]

I fail to see when all teams are working to drop Roglic? I've seen the replay and seen Bora, Astana pulling.. Cofidis obviously pulled for Laporte stage win, but.... I don't get it, we just did not see what happened.
Maybe I should watch it again but I think you guys are overreacting.

 

[Escarabajo]

One thing I don't quite understand, how do Bennett and Kruijswijk get burned off on a 90km stage with 20km to go?

I think part of it had to do with Roglic not being patient enough. It could be that it would not have made a difference between winning the race or not but IMHO it would have given him a better chance to go longer behind them even if they were not going as fast as the first group on the flat.

 

[Gigs_98]

Meh

 

[johnymax]

Meh

I'm glad you are ok

 

[Extinction]

Watch it again, in the period just before Bouhanni gets dropped by Roglic. He is on the front of the duo pulling in circumstances where there is absolutely no reason for him to do so other than to help Roglic.

Similarly when Van Poppel and Campanaerts were pulling. They weren’t just naturally taking turns. Their races were over. It would have taken quite a bit of effort to not just hold on to a chasing Roglic but get into the wind ahead of him.

I’m sorry if that doesn’t fit a narrative that Roglic is some kind of social leper in the peloton.

I never said he was a social leper in the peloton, nor do I have a narrative to tell. I'll watch it again.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

For all the commotion it's always lovely to see Roglic reaction. "I made some mistakes" and he immediately congratulates Schachmann on the finish.

For all the hate he gets online I really don't get it if you see how he is as a person.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Ruthless in pursuing victory (within the rules), a gentleman after the finish. Exactly what one should hope for in any sportsman.

 

[Escarabajo]

"No gifts". Well, not everyone agrees.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6OLw5opA14

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Yes, definitely. A very weird response you got there.

Although, it was very surprising to me too that Bouhanni would do that.

yeah it’s always interesting trying to work out why a rider who has no relevant personal or team ambitions at stake decides to work anyway.

In this case, I really don’t know. Maybe they are friendly. Maybe Nacer has strong opinions about the unwritten rules like forum posters! Maybe he can easily empathise with a guy that everyone seems to be ganging up on.

I admired it anyway.


(There are other circumstances where you might suspect a financial arrangement through team cars but nobody is going to pay for a dropped sprinter to help a doomed chase on that terrain. None of the random riders who tried to help Roglic were guys who could have actually turned things around)

 

[Carols]

"No gifts". Well, not everyone agrees.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6OLw5opA14

How many gifts did he give? Not many cause he wasn't in the position to

 

[Bonimenier]

He felt bad after not giving Mäder the win, so he gave the GC-win to Schachmann. What a nice man this Roglic dude is.

 

[woodburn]

Weird people on this thread can't differentiate waiting for someone and multiple teams drilling on the front with the yellow jersey within 50 meters of getting back on after a crash.

There was nothing against the rules, but it's a breach of sportsmanship. You see good examples in football all the time when teams play the ball out with an injured player down. It's pretty rare it doesn't happen unless there is possibility player is faking. Fair to say that Roglic wasn't faking.

On the positive side ... Pretty nice eighth-place finish for Jorgensen.

 

[Rackham]

Weird people on this thread can't differentiate waiting for someone and multiple teams drilling on the front with the yellow jersey within 50 meters of getting back on after a crash.

There was nothing against the rules, but it's a breach of sportsmanship. You see good examples in football all the time when teams play the ball out with an injured player down. It's pretty rare it doesn't happen unless there is possibility player is faking. Fair to say that Roglic wasn't faking.

On the positive side ... Pretty nice eighth-place finish for Jorgensen.

Yep, pretty much this.

And for what? Paris-Nice? What do these teams think they've achieved? "That'll teach those arrogant Jumbo b*stards!" etc. This wasn't the Tour de France.

Roll on next race (i.e. bigger races) & Roglic will be an even bigger cannibal because why not. It's funny how a small warm-up race at the beginning of the season became a full-blown all out total-war.

Winning like they did yesterday (in fact riding to make the yellow jersey lose after a crash) was all a bit disproportionate IMO considering the relatively low stakes.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yeah, coz Paris-Nice is such a small insignificant race. You do realise it's on the level just below the GTs, right? According to Roglic's schedule on PCS, his next race is Basque, a race I'd say is pretty much on level with Paris-Nice, if not slightly lower.

I feel bad for Roglic losing the race the way he did, but that doesn't mean I don't think Bora (and Astana) weren't completely within their rights to ride the way they did, especially considering...

1: They wanted to catch the break, and go for the stage win.
2: It was close to the finish!

 

[BlueRoads]

Yep, pretty much this.

And for what? Paris-Nice? What do these teams think they've achieved? "That'll teach those arrogant Jumbo b*stards!" etc. This wasn't the Tour de France.

Roll on next race (i.e. bigger races) & Roglic will be an even bigger cannibal because why not. It's funny how a small warm-up race at the beginning of the season became a full-blown all out total-war.

Winning like they did yesterday (in fact riding to make the yellow jersey lose after a crash) was all a bit disproportionate IMO considering the relatively low stakes.

Doesn't it make more sense the other way around? For Roglic in the end PN doesn't mean much, his goal are GTs. For Schachmann it's an important win.

 

[tobydawq]

PN matters a lot to everyone.

 

[Publiuszam]

Okay..how many times should the leader of a race be waited on if he crashes..it is obvious that they waited for Roglic in his first crash and only ride on full gas after his second fall? No limits or neutralize the stage like Cancellara did in 2010

 

[AlfaLum]

I am quite sure some of them yesterday didnt , its the same people calling it karma today

I enjoyed both races a lot. For me cycling is about winning and every person that is in a position to win should take the chance. On Saturday Roglic had the chance to take back Mader on the line and was perfect he did so. That was no situation to give presents.

On Sunday the same Guy was incapable of staying on his bike and some of his competitors took the opportunity to move of some places in GC. Just taking advantage of some misstakes.

Only thing for me is that this should always happen in cycling.

 

[Gargamel35]

This is only a topic among fans and viewers of the sport. Roglič knows it was his fault and he's the first one to say it. If he would crash because of other riders mistake, it's ok to wait. If he has a mechanical, it' ok to wait (but debatable already), if he crashes on his own it's ok to wait (but it's completely fair also not to wait). They waited the first time. When he crashed again, they didn't. I think he got his chance and made a mistake. He owned it. Move on.

 

[Bolder]

I feel bad for Roglic losing the race the way he did, but that doesn't mean I don't think Bora (and Astana) weren't completely within their rights to ride the way they did, especially considering...

1: They wanted to catch the break, and go for the stage win.
2: It was close to the finish!

^^I think this sums up how I feel. The race had broken apart, GC was up in the air, even if Roglic had made it back there were still lots of Top 10 placings to be had. Now, I don't know what riders say behind the scenes but both Roglic and Schachmann reacted appropriately -- Roglic graciously and Schachtmann with humility.

I hadn't realized Roglic had dislocated his shoulder. That happened to me a lot and you do actually get better at putting it back in. I eventually had to get a pin inserted to stop it from happening. But you are really, really sore for sure right after it happens...so that was kind of a legendary ride in its own right...

 

[armchairclimber]

Some people, mostly those favouring Roglic, are forgetting that the stage was approaching its key phase when he crashed for the second time. and that Roglic was not Schachmann's only concern. Boro also had to maintain a high tempo at the front in order to make attacks from Vlasov and Izagirre more difficult.
All this stuff about karma is just rubbish really. Sure, feel for Mader (I did), but these riders are paid by their team , and their sponsors, to win.

Schachmann may be on a level below Roglic at the moment, but those disparaging his ability are being a little foolish. For a big lad, he can climb a bit, has a sprint, and has a history of long range solo attacks to win races. He's very very good and his palmares will ultimately reflect that.

And a note for Nils Politt. What a beast.