Paris-Nice Stage 5:Saint-Symphorien-sur-Coise Vernoux-en-Vivarais: 193 km

[Angliru]

And how did the guy who will be a better rider than Evans ever was do?

For those not in the know, who is this rider that you're referring to? Porte?

 

[theyoungest]

That Tirreno TTT has gone to your head. (not that I'm surprised)

Yeah, Dekker_T seems to have missed that Mollema was trailing the front group for almost the entire climb.

 

[Cobblestoned]

That Tirreno TTT has gone to your head. (not that I'm surprised)

Too many TTers spoil the Paris-Nice.
5 stages in and you can throw a blanket over the top 20.
Tomorrow, will see a couple of minutes spread over the same group.

After that, it will be left to the final stage for the remaining TTers to attack the ITT winner.
...........or something like that.

5 stages finished - 5 days of Mellow Velo whining


Hey take it easy. You can look forward to the GTs - not enough TT there
But you won't see me whining for 63 racedays, because I don't want to bore people with my whining.

 

[Rocksteady]

Come on, he's a decent climber. He got time and motivation in that breakaway, but without the time advantage he would still have been top 15 or thereabouts. He's perfect for one-week stage races.

OK Millar could have been a little harsh. DZ? Wiggo?

 

[Mellow Velo]

5 stages finished - 5 days of Mellow Velo whining


Hey take it easy. You can look forward to the GTs - not enough TT there
But you won't see me whining for 63 racedays, because I don't want to bore people with my whining.

Besides, you would probably get another ban for attacking posters instead of commenting upon the actual race.
You really must try to keep that ego of yours under control.
You can't even distinguish an observation when it's staring you in the face.
Time to add you to the idiot ignore list.

 

[Ryaguas]

Ok Here we go... easy guys... we are cool here...

Porte is better than Wiggo IMO... today just didnt have the form...

 

[theyoungest]

Lulu complained of pain in his back and in his hand after his crash today. And apparently Mollema led the chase group practically on his own, making up 15 seconds on the front group (we didn't get to see much of that). So Dekker_T was sort of right.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgixIWtldlk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL7-KY2ePK0

Yes

So Jurgen is no mountain goat either now?

This Paris-Nice has a joke of a course. And Lulu probably isn't in the best of shape.

Jurgen is simply a guy who peaks once a year and never gets anywhere near that level the rest of the year.

Whereas LL Sanchez continously comes up short on steep climbs or very long climbs.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yeah, Dekker_T seems to have missed that Mollema was trailing the front group for almost the entire climb.

Ofcourse after he already worked a lot of miles in the previous stages and had to keep LuLu out of the wind If he was co-leader frm the start and also would be protected, that wouldn't be the case

 

[jaylew]

Thanks all. I knew he was a TT threat, just didn't understand the hype about his climbing. Always saw him more as a David Millar type (post suspension). Seems I'm about on track with what others are thinking.

Much better than Millar. He still would have finished top 10 even without the minutes gained from the breakaway. That said, the pink and young riders jerseys probably motivated him even more.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Much better than Millar. He still would have finished top 10 even without the minutes gained from the breakaway. That said, the pink and young riders jerseys probably motivated him even more.

That's a flat out lie.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Besides, you would probably get another ban for attacking posters instead of commenting upon the actual race.
You really must try to keep that ego of yours under control.
You can't even distinguish an observation when it's staring you in the face.
Time to add you to the idiot ignore list.

You should stop whining and exaggerating.
Now you are even double-whining AND calling for help, kid
Be free to ignore me. Sad you will miss that I will honour you in every TT talk from now on.

Great stagerace ASO designed there. I could nearly accept your whining if this race would have started with a prolog, but because you are totally exaggerating and whining for 5 days now - I will comment your whining and I even might have missed a lot of whining.

I will accept all the whining about to less TT-km in all 3 GTs, because this is a REAL issue.

Save TT !
Be free to join me if you find me.

 

[nvpacchi]

Not a flat TT tomorrow by any means according to the profile. Though every single profile has been extremely exaggerated so far.

If its a technical course, Martin might not be the clear favorite.

 

[Faserr]

I think it's pretty flat. Perhaps hight difference about 150m in 5km, so I think that's really no problem for Martin. He won't have to change his rythm because of the climb.
The course doesn't look too technical. There are some corners near the end, don't know if they are on the uphill part or downhill party. The rest is looking straight.

 

[search]

That's a flat out lie.

11th, 5 seconds behind Mollema

 

[jens_attacks]

first of all.....KLODI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A DAY!!!

it was fun to see fdj doing a ttt on the descent.that doesn't happen every day.kudos to them!
i was kind of relieved honestly to see vino taking it easy.last year he did it too in tirreno.i just want to see him killing it in ardennes and le tour,paris-nice he already won it twice.kiserlovsky,one of my biggest hopes since last year is pure class,in two-three years no one will mistake him with kreuziger like today.
hats off to radioshack,brajkovic awesome lead-out and one of the biggest,mr kloden delivered it,finally after all this years.he's on the good way to make a surprise at le tour,along his comrades.

das panzerwagen is just scary...we all know now he doesn't breath at all...well he's a machine after all.

final overall something like this:
1.martin
2.klodi
3.brajkovic

vino won't go for the win tomorrow that will cost him too much energy for nothing.martin will win no matter what.expect vino to win the stage after the itt,it's just what he wants.

 

[ingsve]

OK Millar could have been a little harsh. DZ? Wiggo?

I would perhaps compare Porte to Rogers but that's not a perfect comparison either. Porte is a tiny guy so he ought to be able to climb really well. He needs just needs to learn how to do it first.

 

[flicker]

Bravo Kloeden, my favorite rider wins!

Tomarrow epic TT go shack. I like this:
Kloeden
Brakovich
Leipheimer
Martin
That Astana man in the octet

Nice race!

Where are those on this forum who said th 11P-N was dull.

 

[kurtinsc]

That's a flat out lie.

Is it?

He was 7th overall. He gained about 13 minutes on the break.

The riders who were within 13 minutes of his 7th place finish time were:

Sastre - In the break
Pinotti
Kiserlovski - In the break
Cunego
Mollema


Based on my math... that would have made him 10th had the break not occurred.

 

[Rocksteady]

I would perhaps compare Porte to Rogers but that's not a perfect comparison either. Porte is a tiny guy so he ought to be able to climb really well. He needs just needs to learn how to do it first.

I've always heard TJVG compared to Rogers, and I think TJ showed today he is a better climber than Porte (finished same time, but TJ had other work to do). I just can't see putting Porte into the "GC contender" class with the likes of Rogers, but he has lots of time to prove himself and grow. I'll happily be wrong about it.

 

[jaylew]

That's a flat out lie.

Sigh...really? A flat out lie? To what end? He finishes a few seconds behind Mollema in 10th without the extra time and still a couple minutes ahead of 11th.

 

[kurtinsc]

Sigh...really? A flat out lie? To what end? He finishes a few seconds behind Mollema in 10th without the extra time and still a couple minutes ahead of 11th.

How would he finish 11th.

He was in 7th. Only 5 riders were less then 13 minutes behind him. Two of them were in the break with him (Sastre and Kiserlovski). Wouldn't that make him 10th, seconds away from 9th?

 

[El Pistolero]

Jurgen is simply a guy who peaks once a year and never gets anywhere near that level the rest of the year.

Whereas LL Sanchez continously comes up short on steep climbs or very long climbs.

Ruta del Sol= Second place
This Paris-Nice= he's in decent condition for sure, but still has a long way to go. It's not like he finished 5 minutes behind or anything...

It's unfair to say he's the same as Andy Schleck. He tries more, he just doesn't have the talent some other climbers have.

And trust me, Gesink is going to need Lulu in the Tour.

I don't see anyone going into a discussion about Contador's mountain goats(Navarro, etc)
They might not win a lot, but they're mountain goats for sure.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Great win for Kloden! I still have high hopes for him at the Tour. Same for Jani. I hope they don't end up having to tow Levi.

 

[jaylew]

How would he finish 11th.

He was in 7th. Only 5 riders were less then 13 minutes behind him. Two of them were in the break with him (Sastre and Kiserlovski). Wouldn't that make him 10th, seconds away from 9th?

You just misunderstood my post a bit. That's exactly what I'm saying - seconds behind Mollema (9th) and a couple of minutes ahead of Gadret, who would be 11th.