Paul Kimmage questioning Roman ?

[Dr. Maserati]

Yet Kimmage congratulated and celebrated Roche's World's win when he was a teammate himself. And I am sure he congratulated a known doper in Kelly after many of his great wins. If he thinks it's so easy to criticise why didn't he do it himself at the time when he was still an active rider.

Maybe because Kimmage doped and was not going on radio or writing columns that he supported clean cycling.

 

[gooner]

I do care that they are Irish and Irish media should be holding Irish riders to account. If all countries had media with same standard as PK, how much healthier would the sport be?

"Something you are not having" - who are you? The internet thought police! Seems you have a problem with people having opinions! Be careful, the internet is full of them!

I haven't shot down one person's opinion here. Everyone is entitled to speak freely and I respect the various arguments put forward. If I have something to say against Kimmage I am going to do so in a respectful manner. I am sorry if people don't like it. I respect Paul hugely(I contributed to his fund) but I just disagree with him on this.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I haven't shot down one person's opinion here. Everyone is entitled to speak freely and I respect the various arguments put forward. If I have something to say against Kimmage I am going to do so in a respectful manner. I am sorry if people don't like it. I respect Paul hugely(I contributed to his fund) but I just disagree with him on this.

Why? What is wrong with Kimmage (or anyone else) asking Nico about congratulating a Ferrari client on twitter?
I was curious too when I saw Nicos tweet. Nico chose to publicly do so, its up to him to answer (or ignore) - and people to draw any conclusions from it.

 

[Coolair2970]

Roche Snr started it by ranting at Kimmage on TV after Rough Ride was published and defending the omerta. Roche even had the cheek to deny doping with Conconi.

The Roches have been critical of Kimmage, so why not shoot back and call out Nico for praising a rider who was accused of doping with Ferarri. Makes Nico a hyporcrite.

That has always been Kimmage problem. He is so ****ed about his own carrier that he want's to get back at everybody allegedly using doping.

He was fired from his job because he enterede so many unsubstantiated articles that he fell short of his qoute. I watched an american TV show shortly after the Armstrong case, at top US journalist told that they had known things long time before this, but couldn't write about them because og lack of evidence.

Like they said. "There is a difference of knowing and proving thing"

And just to justify this. I dont say Kimmage is wrong, but he doesn't have the evidence to back up his allegations.

 

[rainman]

I have no problem with Kimmage sending that tweet directly to Kreuziger. But why does he have to mention Roche in the preceeding tweet in all this before directly sending off the following one to Kreuziger?

Hitch called it. Nico has a column with widely read Irish Independent. PK tells Roche-ask Roman about this, it would make a good column. Alluding to the fact that Nico steers clear of all clinic references in said column. But PK is a bit out of line expecting one team mate to publicly query the validity of anothers race performance or past history. Or to question why he congratulated him. They are work colleagues ffs, no matter his private thoughts on the matter they have to work together, and for each other, pretty much all year round. Roche I am sure has no wish to be hated or isolated amongst his new team mates. No one in their right mind would do that, you could even end up on the deck with some guys I knew.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That has always been Kimmage problem. He is so ****ed about his own carrier that he want's to get back at everybody allegedly using doping.

He was fired from his job because he enterede so many unsubstantiated articles that he fell short of his qoute. I watched an american TV show shortly after the Armstrong case, at top US journalist told that they had known things long time before this, but couldn't write about them because og lack of evidence.

Like they said. "There is a difference of knowing and proving thing"

And just to justify this. I dont say Kimmage is wrong, but he doesn't have the evidence to back up his allegations.

He didn't get fired, but I will play.

What "allegations" did Kimmage make that he had not "evidence" for ?

 

[argyllflyer]

Hitch called it. Nico has a column with widely read Irish Independent. PK tells Roche-ask Roman about this, it would make a good column. Alluding to the fact that Nico steers clear of all clinic references in said column. But PK is a bit out of line expecting one team mate to publicly query the validity of anothers race performance or past history. Or to question why he congratulated him. They are work colleagues ffs, no matter his private thoughts on the matter they have to work together, and for each other, pretty much all year round. Roche I am sure has no wish to be hated or isolated amongst his new team mates. No one in their right mind would do that, you could even end up on the deck with some guys I knew.

And for all we know, they might be good friends? Someone's doping past doesn't make them a social pariah for life, unless they've taken legal action and used political influence to shut up opponents.

 

[argyllflyer]

What "allegations" did Kimmage make that he had not "evidence" for ?

These articles never got printed so who's to know bar his editor.

 

[Coolair2970]

He didn't get fired, but I will play.

What "allegations" did Kimmage make that he had not "evidence" for ?

In 2012 Kimmage was laid off from the Sunday Times

Laid off = Fired in my book, but of course it's sounds better to say I was laid off

 

[LaFlorecita]

A real shock. A teammate congratulating another on a win. I never would of thought.

That is my point

 

[Dr. Maserati]

In 2012 Kimmage was laid off from the Sunday Times

Laid off = Fired in my book, but of course it's sounds better to say I was laid off

Laid off sounds better because that's what happened - your book wont be too good if you cannot get th basic stuff right.

And it was 2011, here is a link:

Paul Kimmage, the five-time winner of the SJA’s Sports Interviewer of the Year award, is one of two contracted sports writers being cut from the staff of the Sunday Times, sportsjournalists.co.uk has learned.

Kimmage and Barcelona-based football reporter Ian Hawkey are understood to be the first sports desk casualties of the wide-ranging cuts being implemented at Wapping, following the closure in the summer of the News of the World and the mounting legal bills related to the hacking scandal being incurred by News International.

........

 

[Benotti69]

That has always been Kimmage problem. He is so ****ed about his own carrier that he want's to get back at everybody allegedly using doping.

Roche fan are you? Like doping?

He was fired from his job because he enterede so many unsubstantiated articles that he fell short of his qoute. I watched an american TV show shortly after the Armstrong case, at top US journalist told that they had known things long time before this, but couldn't write about them because og lack of evidence.

Like they said. "There is a difference of knowing and proving thing"

And just to justify this. I dont say Kimmage is wrong, but he doesn't have the evidence to back up his allegations.

Sunday Times beaks(lawyers) wouldn't back Kimmage's articles so they were pulled. After Armstrong took them to the cleaners that is no surprise.

But he obviously upset your dreams of unicotns on bikes.

But Kimmage has been vindicated on Armstrong and UCI. Pity so called fans of the sport dont get it.

 

[Race Radio]

He was fired from his job because he enterede so many unsubstantiated articles that he fell short of his qoute.

If he wrote "So many" then surely you can provide an example of one?

Thanks

 

[LaFlorecita]

It was.
So?
Kreuziger went to Ferrrari -that's on him, Roche congratulated a Ferrari client, that's on Roche.

Guess what.
Jonathan Cantwell congratulated a Ferrari client
Alberto Contador congratulated a Ferrari client
Hannah Grant congratulated a Ferrari client
Oleg Tinkov congratulated a Ferrari client
Timmy Duggan congratulated a Ferrari client
Rory Sutherland congratulated a Ferrari client
Karsten Kroon congratulated a Ferrari client
Thomas Riis congratulated a Ferrari client
Trey Greenwood congratulated a Ferrari client
Steven de Jongh congratulated a Ferrari client
Daniele Bennati congratulated a Ferrari client
Bruno Pires congratulated a Ferrari client
Specialized congratulated a Ferrari client
Takashi Miyazawa congratulated a Ferrari client
Jesus Hernandez congratulated a Ferrari client
Sportful congratulated a Ferrari client

They all have two things in common. They are affiliated with Saxo in some way. And they congratulated Roman Kreuziger on twitter. Why are these people not criticized?

 

[Lanark]

Guess what.
Jonathan Cantwell congratulated a Ferrari client
Alberto Contador congratulated a Ferrari client
Hannah Grant congratulated a Ferrari client
Oleg Tinkov congratulated a Ferrari client
Timmy Duggan congratulated a Ferrari client
Rory Sutherland congratulated a Ferrari client
Karsten Kroon congratulated a Ferrari client
Thomas Riis congratulated a Ferrari client
Trey Greenwood congratulated a Ferrari client
Steven de Jongh congratulated a Ferrari client
Daniele Bennati congratulated a Ferrari client
Bruno Pires congratulated a Ferrari client
Specialized congratulated a Ferrari client
Takashi Miyazawa congratulated a Ferrari client
Jesus Hernandez congratulated a Ferrari client
Sportful congratulated a Ferrari client

They all have two things in common. They are affiliated with Saxo in some way. And they congratulated Roman Kreuziger on twitter. Why are these people not criticized?

None of them claim to be clean, or at least want the audience to believe they are clean.

 

[melkemugg]

Anyone that worked for Sunday Times is going to have credibility starting at zero, no matter how "critical" they have been against Armstrong. He is just in journalism for the kicks.

 

[Coolair2970]

I will promise you 100% that Thomas Riis is clean, and I'm pretty sure that Speicalized and Sportful is clean as well

 

[Benotti69]

Anyone that worked for Sunday Times is going to have credibility starting at zero, no matter how "critical" they have been against Armstrong. He is just in journalism for the kicks.

Yeah, all those awards and swimming against the tide of popular opinion has just been for 'kicks'.

So who has cred, Roche, UCI, the pro peloton or maybe the McQuack family?

 

[Benotti69]

I will promise you 100% that Thomas Riis is clean, and I'm pretty sure that Speicalized and Sportful is clean as well

He is only 21.

 

[melkemugg]

Yeah, all those awards and swimming against the tide of popular opinion has just been for 'kicks'.

So who has cred, Roche, UCI, the pro peloton or maybe the McQuack family?

None of them? Its his method of stirring up a mess over something as trivial as a congratulation on twitter that again does not really mean ANYTHING. Only makes him seem bitter to the bone and seem like hes just there for the mess, not to change anything. IMO

 

[Benotti69]

None of them? Its his method of stirring up a mess over something as trivial as a congratulation on twitter that again does not really mean ANYTHING. Only makes him seem bitter to the bone and seem like hes just there for the mess, not to change anything. IMO

Might seem bitter to fans of omerta. To those who want clean cycling he is asking a rider to use all the tools available to help clean up the sport.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

None of them? Its his method of stirring up a mess over something as trivial as a congratulation on twitter that again does not really mean ANYTHING. Only makes him seem bitter to the bone and seem like hes just there for the mess, not to change anything. IMO

Kimmage did not stir up a mess.
He tweeted a comment to Roche about Kreuziger. Has Roche even acknowledged it?
It is the Roche fans who appear to have taken this as something that no-one is allowed do.

 

[LaFlorecita]

None of them? Its his method of stirring up a mess over something as trivial as a congratulation on twitter that again does not really mean ANYTHING. Only makes him seem bitter to the bone and seem like hes just there for the mess, not to change anything. IMO

Yes I agree.

 

[Basecase]

Might seem bitter to fans of omerta. To those who want clean cycling he is asking a rider to use all the tools available to help clean up the sport.

I agree, to not be an antagonist in the whole debate is to maintain the status quo. The authorities have continually been proven to be imcapable of preventing doping.

So now if it takes a few insults to change the system so be it.

F**k dopers, they are cheating scum.

Which side of the fence r u on? Up the revolution - clean cycling now.

I'm sick of the sport being dragged thro the mud.

Can any defenders of the sport at the moment guarantee me 100% the sport is now clean?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Kimmage did not stir up a mess.
He tweeted a comment to Roche about Kreuziger. Has Roche even acknowledged it?
It is the Roche fans who appear to have taken this as something that no-one is allowed do.

it just seems weird he asked Roche first while he should ask Roman. It's embarrassing.