Paula Radcliffe Speaks out

[King Boonen]

As to yourself, Boonen? After a while, the conversation in here becomes worthless; it's good for a laugh, or a vent, but it has no value. The best thing, probably, is to see it for what it is, and the posters for what they are, and get on with it - making a difference somewhere where a difference can actually be made.

It begins with a B I'll give you that

I joined this forum because I though I would find valuable discussions, and I do, it's just hard to pick them out of the mire sometimes. Most posters seem to be reasonable if they are engaged in a sensible discussion but many get egg'd on and soon everyone who won their school sports day egg and spoon race at 5 is a long-term doper with a team of guys covering it up (hyperbole I know before some pedant jumps on it).

some people would probably be very interested in some of the work I've very recently been involved in, although it does stop me discussing some things here.


It does seem recently that the loud shouting voices have overtaken any reasonable discussion. This thread is, frankly, ridiculous.

 

[sublimit]

No-one is saying this. But as Blackcat points out - she is competing in a field of dopers so how can a clean runner beat a doped field ?

Nobody is disputing she might be on/was on drugs. Should of brought this topic up when she was running 2.15 marathons

 

[horsinabout]

They say that personality is not a good predictor of performance, no it is not. However, doping must be linked to obsessive behaviour, because sport and winning are. Paula Radcliff, as well known to be, is a selfish obsessive and her "anti doping" is part of that. Anti doping of a militant nature I believe means that you are attempting to stop doping so the dice are rolled in your favour. No one else dopes, I dope, I win - simples fffshh even Meercat knows it.
All doping is an obsession, and probably becomes addictive too. Even endlessly talking and lying about it is in obsessive territory. All what BC/Sky do too of course.

 

[simoni]

Quackery? Thats consistent with a lot of stuff that Radcliffe has done including wearing tungsten bracelets, some sort of electromagnetic taping on her back, various herbal creams and potions to cure cuts/bruises etc. You get the impression that she'll try pretty much any of this sort of thing to improve.

I also noted the double standards here wrt Wiggins and others career trajectory. Seen on another thread today too with regard to Froome. If they win all year they're doping, if they lose form they've just filled a blood bag so are doping. If they say nothing they're shady characters and are doping. If they say something they're insincerely liars about their doping. There's no way out of it basically - if the clinic's mind is made up that's that.

EDIT - the post immediately above this being a good example!

 

[King Boonen]

They say that personality is not a good predictor of performance, no it is not. However, doping must be linked to obsessive behaviour, because sport and winning are. Paula Radcliff, as well known to be, is a selfish obsessive and her "anti doping" is part of that. Anti doping of a militant nature I believe means that you are attempting to stop doping so the dice are rolled in your favour. No one else dopes, I dope, I win - simples fffshh even Meercat knows it.
All doping is an obsession, and probably becomes addictive too. Even endlessly talking and lying about it is in obsessive territory. All what BC/Sky do too of course.

Good god it gets even worse. Every sports person is a selfish, obsessive person. They spend huge amounts of time away from their families focusing purely on themselves and what they need to do to become the best in their chosen sport. Add onto that the competitions and athletes who compete on an international scale probably spend over 50% of their year away from their loved-ones. That's what makes them so good and is also one of the more common reasons given as to why you shouldn't "meet your heroes".

 

[horsinabout]

Quackery? Thats consistent with a lot of stuff that Radcliffe has done including wearing tungsten bracelets, some sort of electromagnetic taping on her back, various herbal creams and potions to cure cuts/bruises etc. You get the impression that she'll try pretty much any of this sort of thing to improve.

I also noted the double standards here wrt Wiggins and others career trajectory. Seen on another thread today too with regard to Froome. If they win all year they're doping, if they lose form they've just filled a blood bag so are doping. If they say nothing they're shady characters and are doping. If they say something they're insincerely liars about their doping. There's no way out of it basically - if the clinic's mind is made up that's that.

EDIT - the post immediately above this being a good example!

No one forces the hand of BC/Sky or Radcliff, their PR promotions are entirely of there own making. My posting and views have been entirely consistent since I joined in January of this year. No contradictions.

 

[King Boonen]

Quackery? Thats consistent with a lot of stuff that Radcliffe has done including wearing tungsten bracelets, some sort of electromagnetic taping on her back, various herbal creams and potions to cure cuts/bruises etc. You get the impression that she'll try pretty much any of this sort of thing to improve.

Not sure what your point is here? Just pointing out why the link might exist?

 

[horsinabout]

Good god it gets even worse. Every sports person is a selfish, obsessive person. They spend huge amounts of time away from their families focusing purely on themselves and what they need to do to become the best in their chosen sport. Add onto that the competitions and athletes who compete on an international scale probably spend over 50% of their year away from their loved-ones. That's what makes them so good and is also one of the more common reasons given as to why you shouldn't "meet your heroes".

I was talking about Radcliff, this is a Radcliff thread. Must have hit a raw nerve.

 

[martinvickers]

No one forces the hand of BC/Sky or Radcliff, their PR promotions are entirely of there own making. My posting and views have been entirely consistent since I joined in January of this year. No contradictions.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"

just sayin'....

 

[simoni]

Not sure what your point is here? Just pointing out why the link might exist?

Just an acknowledgment that that description of the German doctors methods is consistent with other stuff I'm aware of about Radcliffe. I'm actually learning something here!

 

[Wallace]

I also noted the double standards here wrt Wiggins and others career trajectory. Seen on another thread today too with regard to Froome. If they win all year they're doping, if they lose form they've just filled a blood bag so are doping. If they say nothing they're shady characters and are doping. If they say something they're insincerely liars about their doping. There's no way out of it basically - if the clinic's mind is made up that's that.

This can all be summed up in the ultimate, and general, piece of clinic logic: if there's no evidence that they're doping, that proves how sophisticated their doping program is.

 

[horsinabout]

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"

just sayin'....

Come again?? Hobgoblin?? is that an Irish fairy tale?

 

[horsinabout]

This can all be summed up in the ultimate, and general, piece of clinic logic: if there's no evidence that they're doping, that proves how sophisticated their doping program is.

There is always evidence.......just never conclusive proof Hence the endless clinic speculation.

 

[oldcrank]

All doping is an obsession, and probably becomes addictive too. Even endlessly talking and lying about it is in obsessive territory.

Are you confessing to doping?

 

[Ferminal]

Come again?? Hobgoblin?? is that an Irish fairy tail?

A fine pint in my opinion.

 

[Cycle Chic]

They say that personality is not a good predictor of performance, no it is not. However, doping must be linked to obsessive behaviour, because sport and winning are. Paula Radcliff, as well known to be, is a selfish obsessive and her "anti doping" is part of that. Anti doping of a militant nature I believe means that you are attempting to stop doping so the dice are rolled in your favour. No one else dopes, I dope, I win - simples fffshh even Meercat knows it.
All doping is an obsession, and probably becomes addictive too. Even endlessly talking and lying about it is in obsessive territory. All what BC/Sky do too of course.

Cant believe anyone actually thought this was a serious post - taking the p*ss !

 

[Cycle Chic]

Protest

Excerpt from Radcliffe's book..

http://www.paularadcliffe.com/book/20.php

However, the issue was much bigger than that. We were not specifically getting at her; we were making a protest at the inadequacy of drug-testing in our sport.

We routinely spend our time giving drug tests, yet the system wasn’t capable of detecting the most effective and abused doping products.

She was protesting in 2001 which adds to her case of being genuine..imo.

 

[armchairclimber]

This can all be summed up in the ultimate, and general, piece of clinic logic: if there's no evidence that they're doping, that proves how sophisticated their doping program is.

This.

As pretty much all sports are infected with at least some athletes who dope, then anyone who wins must be a doper because, in all likelihood, they have beaten dopers.

Meanwhile, the real dopers and cheats can quietly chuckle to themselves and excuse themselves with the "I might as well dope" line.

 

[mikeoneill]

Excerpt from Radcliffe's book..

http://www.paularadcliffe.com/book/20.php





She was protesting in 2001 which adds to her case of being genuine..imo.

she kicked up a huge fuss at chicago to be tested in-competition -made news all over the place

the rest of the time she's away in doping hotspots albuquerque and iten where she don't get tested out of competition

go figure huh!

if she took epo she'd have been good for 2-08 at least

 

[martinvickers]

she kicked up a huge fuss at chicago to be tested in-competition -made news all over the place

the rest of the time she's away in doping hotspots albuquerque and iten where she don't get tested out of competition

go figure huh!

if she took epo she'd have been good for 2-08 at least

Sorry, why exactly is alberquerque a doping hotspot?

 

[mikeoneill]

Sorry, why exactly is alberquerque a doping hotspot?

Such was the scene throughout much of Albuquerque's elite running community in the 1990s and early 2000s—a scene that, according to a number of sources, also involved the use of performance-enhancing drugs by many of the visiting runners. "Starting in 1999, we noticed a trend," Shawn says. "Athletes had new sorts of requests. Where to get a syringe, more privacy, leases not in their names. Athletes started traveling with an additional coach who knew nothing about running. A prominent distributor resided in Albuquerque. He was a great athlete who, when drunk, rattled off the list of performance-enhancing users. Most of these athletes were winning major marathons."

The principal substance was EPO. A hormone produced by the kidneys that stimulates the production of oxygen-bearing red blood cells, EPO appears naturally in the body. The pharmaceutical version was developed in the late '80s to boost the red-blood-cell counts of patients suffering from anemia associated with kidney disease. An increased level of EPO in the body can enhance the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood and, hence, a runner's endurance. Its benefits to a distance runner accrue during training; a juiced runner can ring up repeated high-quality workouts, with the payoff coming on race day. Shortly after its introduction, EPO was used illicitly by endurance athletes in Europe, especially cyclists; the drug stood at the center of the scandal that rocked the Tour de France bicycle race in 1998. But in distance-running circles, no prominent American or foreign-born marathoner had been implicated through the first decade of its existence,EPO was easy to come by in Albuquerque.

http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/confessions-eddy-hellebuyck?page=single

the place has a reputation

 

[del1962]

She was succesful (at least to some extent), she is a Brit, ergo she must dope:

 

[Cycle Chic]

Scary

And then, suddenly, he says, all of the years of training and all the injections of EPO kicked in. Hellebuyck felt like he was soaring. "I don't know where it came from. I got that extra boost, and I finished unbelievably fast. How can you possibly kick that fast at the end of a marathon? I say, You know what? That's the first time I was believing in EPO. It was not natural. I mean seriously, the way I kicked down that last 400 yards and ran [to 2:19:59] was just unnatural."

http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/confessions-eddy-hellebuyck?page=single

Thats a reality check alright.

 

[martinvickers]

Such was the scene throughout much of Albuquerque's elite running community in the 1990s and early 2000s—a scene that, according to a number of sources, also involved the use of performance-enhancing drugs by many of the visiting runners. "Starting in 1999, we noticed a trend," Shawn says. "Athletes had new sorts of requests. Where to get a syringe, more privacy, leases not in their names. Athletes started traveling with an additional coach who knew nothing about running. A prominent distributor resided in Albuquerque. He was a great athlete who, when drunk, rattled off the list of performance-enhancing users. Most of these athletes were winning major marathons."

The principal substance was EPO. A hormone produced by the kidneys that stimulates the production of oxygen-bearing red blood cells, EPO appears naturally in the body. The pharmaceutical version was developed in the late '80s to boost the red-blood-cell counts of patients suffering from anemia associated with kidney disease. An increased level of EPO in the body can enhance the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood and, hence, a runner's endurance. Its benefits to a distance runner accrue during training; a juiced runner can ring up repeated high-quality workouts, with the payoff coming on race day. Shortly after its introduction, EPO was used illicitly by endurance athletes in Europe, especially cyclists; the drug stood at the center of the scandal that rocked the Tour de France bicycle race in 1998. But in distance-running circles, no prominent American or foreign-born marathoner had been implicated through the first decade of its existence,EPO was easy to come by in Albuquerque.

http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/confessions-eddy-hellebuyck?page=single

the place has a reputation

Thanks for this.

 

[mikeoneill]

my gut tells me she was on the stuff in the early 2000s

she was makin' a few noises to distract imo

there was big $$$ at stake at the time