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[BroDeal]

Tutur has said that pegasus will probably be invited to the tdu and that langkawi, oman and qatar are also looking good for invites.

Looks like all the big events except the Tour of Gila and my neighborhood crit. Drop me a PM and I think I can get them into the crit.

 

[hubbard]

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Chris White has said that Pegasus already has a race plan of 250 days already and that they have invites already to most the northern classics!

Is that 250 separate days on which they'll be racing, or 250 days spread over the roster, giving an average of about two weeks' racing each?

 

[Anonymous]

Is that 250 separate days on which they'll be racing, or 250 days spread over the roster, giving an average of about two weeks' racing each?

3 grand tours - 63 days
qatar, oman - 10 days
monuments - 5 days
other classics - 10 days
paris nice - 9 days
tirreno - 9 days
tour of britain - 7 days
tour down under - 7 days.

where am I.. 120 days so far.. only 130 to go... um..
Switzerland, Poland, Dauphine, and other small tours - 30 days
Murcia, Algarve, Andalucia, oh I give up...

Saur last year did about 900 race days (invidual rider race days, so about 150 race days in all. Now way have pegasus got 250 days lined up - I am guessing he means rider days so as you say, each rider has about 20 days racing.)

I cant help thinking Chris White should have just kept his mouth shut all along as he is making himself look like a clown. I hope pegasus make PT (in a few years) and I think it would be good for australia to have a pro team, but his outlandish claims where he said they where pretty sure they had a pro-tour spot, pretty sure they had a tour invite, how he had gone to the tour de france presentation and had a really positive chat with the ASO and thought they would ride the tour, talking about hiring Cancellara, Huschovd etc now just makes him look foolish or very niave. now hes going on about classics invites. Is he talking serious prestige classics, monuments or will it turn out to be KBK (Which incidentally is a great race nonetheless), talks of getting invited to MSR if they do well in Tirreno. Guy seriously needs to just go about his business quietly, get some race invites and concentrate on racing.

ANd yes, you can throw the Sky and their marginal gains back as a counter argument but that isnt really the answer is it.

 

[Tuarts]

Thing is, Chris White's 'loud mouth' is the only thing keeping Pegasus in the news. Some news is better than no news.

I think if you add all races up (and not just ProTour or famous races), you'd get 250 easily.

 

[roundabout]

Is that 250 separate days on which they'll be racing, or 250 days spread over the roster, giving an average of about two weeks' racing each?

I would guess that 250 days is about an average for a Pro Tour team that would do all 3 GT. Problem is Pegasus would naturally come 63 days short (they can do Lorraine, Belgium, Austria, Brixia etc while the GT's are on, but they would still be hard pressed to get to 250 as a non-PT).

 

[hubbard]

add in 5 more days racing to that calendar!!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hunter-henderson-sutton-to-headline-new-australian-criterium-series

 

[Tuarts]

Are you kidding? There's been a plethora of news on the Luxembourg Project. Just look at the last two-three page on this forum...

 

[tgsgirl]

Jens Voigt tops the 2010 standings with 104 racing days, so if they're adding up for all the riders they'd only need two and half Jens!es to get to 250.

1. [GER] VOIGT Jens SAX 104
2. [GER] HONDO Danilo LAM 100
3. [FRA] VOECKLER Thomas BTL 98
4. [FRA] TURPIN Ludovic ALM 97
5. [ITA] POZZATO Filippo KAT 96
6. [FRA] RIBLON Christophe ALM 96
7. [DEN] LUND Anders SAX 96
8. [BEL] KAISEN Olivier OLO 96
9. [FRA] DI GREGORIO Remy FDJ 95
10. [FRA] LE MEVEL Christophe FDJ 94

 

[hubbard]

wow, the french figure highly in that list. i would not have specifically thought that would be the case...but there ya go. impressive.

 

[ingsve]

Saur last year did about 900 race days (invidual rider race days, so about 150 race days in all. Now way have pegasus got 250 days lined up - I am guessing he means rider days so as you say, each rider has about 20 days racing.)

That's terribly misleading. The race day stats only count races X.1 and above and Saur races quite a few 2.2 and 1.2 races in the year as well so they are well above 900 race days.

If you instead look at Vacansoleil who are a top pro conti team that didn't ride any of the GTs they had over 1500 race days at 2.1/1.1 and above which translates into over 200-250 race days for the team depending on how many rider days you count per team race day. Pegasus with the riders they have will probably also race a program that still includes 2.2 races so 250 race days is not at all unlikely.

 

[ingsve]

wow, the french figure highly in that list. i would not have specifically thought that would be the case...but there ya go. impressive.

Well, with the points they're getting they can't afford not to ride.

 

[stafke]

I would guess that 250 days is about an average for a Pro Tour team that would do all 3 GT. Problem is Pegasus would naturally come 63 days short (they can do Lorraine, Belgium, Austria, Brixia etc while the GT's are on, but they would still be hard pressed to get to 250 as a non-PT).

there are 84 days in the World tour in jan. till end of june , in the Europe tour over 40 in the period jan - feb ( all the 1.1 , 1HC , 2.1 )

 

[auscyclefan94]

Trouble is, after saying they were pretty sure and had been told they were pretty certain to get a pro tour place, do you believe he has invites to all the northern classics?

Trouble I have is Im finding it a bit hard to take anything he says seriously at the moment.

Why????

3 grand tours - 63 days
qatar, oman - 10 days
monuments - 5 days
other classics - 10 days
paris nice - 9 days
tirreno - 9 days
tour of britain - 7 days
tour down under - 7 days.

where am I.. 120 days so far.. only 130 to go... um..
Switzerland, Poland, Dauphine, and other small tours - 30 days
Murcia, Algarve, Andalucia, oh I give up...

Saur last year did about 900 race days (invidual rider race days, so about 150 race days in all. Now way have pegasus got 250 days lined up - I am guessing he means rider days so as you say, each rider has about 20 days racing.)

I cant help thinking Chris White should have just kept his mouth shut all along as he is making himself look like a clown. I hope pegasus make PT (in a few years) and I think it would be good for australia to have a pro team, but his outlandish claims where he said they where pretty sure they had a pro-tour spot, pretty sure they had a tour invite, how he had gone to the tour de france presentation and had a really positive chat with the ASO and thought they would ride the tour, talking about hiring Cancellara, Huschovd etc now just makes him look foolish or very niave. now hes going on about classics invites. Is he talking serious prestige classics, monuments or will it turn out to be KBK (Which incidentally is a great race nonetheless), talks of getting invited to MSR if they do well in Tirreno. Guy seriously needs to just go about his business quietly, get some race invites and concentrate on racing.

ANd yes, you can throw the Sky and their marginal gains back as a counter argument but that isnt really the answer is it.

Outlandish claims? I don't remember he saying they were pretty sure Pegasus was going to get a tour invite.

 

[DAOTEC]

Michael Freiberg (Jayco) to ride for Pegasus Sports - ? in 2011

 

[Anonymous]

Why????


Outlandish claims? I don't remember he saying they were pretty sure Pegasus was going to get a tour invite.

Was on one of the video interviews he did.. THe link is somewhere in this place, but I really cant be bothered to look

And why. Because If he had come out, say they wanted to build a pro continental team, pick up a few mid level riders, try get some invites, and then go for pro tour in a couple of years, i would have thought brilliant, a new aussie team with ideas for the future, but it was all this cancellara, huschovd, pro tour almost assured, tour invites almost assured nonsense that has made me think hes a bit full of it. Its got nothing to to with any assie bashing or anything. Look how long its taken BMC, or Vaconsoliel to that position (and yes, arguably SKy by that token shouldnt have got a pt place but its not about them).. He tried to promise way beyond what he was ever likely to achieve. For that reason I think he looks silly. BUt anyway, ive said that before, getting bored saying it again

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I am kind of concerned that my jibe about the 250 race days was taken seriously. But the fact that it was tells you all you need to know about whether or not anyone believes Chris White anymore.

 

[Tuarts]

Michael Freiberg (Jayco) to ride for Pegasus Sports - ? in 2011

Source?

Would be great news for the young lad, a great chance to prove himself. Another Sandgroper in Europe too \o/

 

[blaxland]

Source?

Would be great news for the young lad, a great chance to prove himself. Another Sandgroper in Europe too \o/

By Sandgroper you mean Western Australia right?

 

[hubbard]

Was on one of the video interviews he did.. THe link is somewhere in this place, but I really cant be bothered to look

And why. Because If he had come out, say they wanted to build a pro continental team, pick up a few mid level riders, try get some invites, and then go for pro tour in a couple of years, i would have thought brilliant, a new aussie team with ideas for the future, but it was all this cancellara, huschovd, pro tour almost assured, tour invites almost assured nonsense that has made me think hes a bit full of it. Its got nothing to to with any assie bashing or anything. Look how long its taken BMC, or Vaconsoliel to that position (and yes, arguably SKy by that token shouldnt have got a pt place but its not about them).. He tried to promise way beyond what he was ever likely to achieve. For that reason I think he looks silly. BUt anyway, ive said that before, getting bored saying it again

you are correct. and i'm australian, and in no way perceive your comments to be aussie bashing. to their credit sky have gone about the big time thing correctly. if you are going to say it, then you better back it up and deliver. which sky has done.

 

[Greg Johnson]

I think if you add all races up (and not just ProTour or famous races), you'd get 250 easily.

Bingo. Days racing is only that - it doesn't indicate quality of races/racing or how any of those days will help the team meet the goals it's set. I think White's domestic team did 80 days this year without leaving the country, so 250 for a professional continental team is plausible and a lot probably already do it.

With a team big enough to split in two you could probably get 400-500 days in a year - but your riders would be screwed. Counting days of racing doesn't mean a whole lot.

Cheers
Greg Johnson

 

[Tuarts]

By Sandgroper you mean Western Australia right?

Yes.

Found this article:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/ot...pro-cycling-team/story-fn4pw13c-1225948802534

So, not sure what your source is Daotec because this article seems to indicate he's going to the FlyV team (flying to Colorado) and he was at WAIS and Virgin-RBS Morgan before CWG, not Jayco(-Skins).

 

[auscyclefan94]

Was on one of the video interviews he did.. THe link is somewhere in this place, but I really cant be bothered to look

And why. Because If he had come out, say they wanted to build a pro continental team, pick up a few mid level riders, try get some invites, and then go for pro tour in a couple of years, i would have thought brilliant, a new aussie team with ideas for the future, but it was all this cancellara, huschovd, pro tour almost assured, tour invites almost assured nonsense that has made me think hes a bit full of it. Its got nothing to to with any assie bashing or anything. Look how long its taken BMC, or Vaconsoliel to that position (and yes, arguably SKy by that token shouldnt have got a pt place but its not about them).. He tried to promise way beyond what he was ever likely to achieve. For that reason I think he looks silly. BUt anyway, ive said that before, getting bored saying it again

He's hardly come from nowhere with his bid as he has said for many years that 2011 or 2012 would be the year that he would go for PT status and a tdf invite. Your being stupid about it.

I am kind of concerned that my jibe about the 250 race days was taken seriously. But the fact that it was tells you all you need to know about whether or not anyone believes Chris White anymore.

I don't understand how people are "mistrusting" White?

 

[Sydney21]

Was on one of the video interviews he did.. THe link is somewhere in this place, but I really cant be bothered to look

And why. Because If he had come out, say they wanted to build a pro continental team, pick up a few mid level riders, try get some invites, and then go for pro tour in a couple of years, i would have thought brilliant, a new aussie team with ideas for the future, but it was all this cancellara, huschovd, pro tour almost assured, tour invites almost assured nonsense that has made me think hes a bit full of it. Its got nothing to to with any assie bashing or anything. Look how long its taken BMC, or Vaconsoliel to that position (and yes, arguably SKy by that token shouldnt have got a pt place but its not about them).. He tried to promise way beyond what he was ever likely to achieve. For that reason I think he looks silly. BUt anyway, ive said that before, getting bored saying it again

I totally agree and im also an Aussie. It would have been fine for him to day that they were wanting to apply for a Pro Tour licence whilst they were still signing riders in hope of getting a big one or two but he continued to be confident even after he assembled a team that can't compete in any of the big races with hills. You just can't be respected and claim you are confident of getting a pro tour licence when your best climbers are trent lowe and thomas rohregger!

 

[Ferminal]

Yes.

Found this article:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/ot...pro-cycling-team/story-fn4pw13c-1225948802534

So, not sure what your source is Daotec because this article seems to indicate he's going to the FlyV team (flying to Colorado) and he was at WAIS and Virgin-RBS Morgan before CWG, not Jayco(-Skins).

Wow, so I do actually miss out on something by not reading the Sunday Slimes?