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[Beech Mtn]

Looking at TeamSkyFans list of vacancies and your comment gave me a hilarious mental image of big Svein Tuft in orange with all the little Basque climbers tucked in behind him.

I've got good intel that Tuft is already resigned with a new team. It might come as a shocker. Expect news soon.

I hope other riders are able to move and find spots... but it will be very tough for some.

All right, Euskaltel it is for Xein Tufxt then.

But seriously, I hope he does have another team. I hope all the guys find somewhere to land, except White, who can **** off.

 

[Christian]

I've got good intel that Tuft is already resigned with a new team. It might come as a shocker. Expect news soon.

Radioshack would be hilarious!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Guess we are back to this question again.

ACF is going to have a nasty shock when he wakes up tommorow morning.

Chris White disgusts me. If anyone can offer his head on a platter I will reward them. In all seriousness, the amount of times he has stuffed up lied and promised the australian cycling community that we we will be racing in races x,y,z and then it falls through.

I hope this guy rots in hell. To cost 50 riders and staff their jobs especially when it is christmas and the new season is around the corner is horrifying.

The way he has treated riders like Kemp and Shaw shows the attitude of the man. This guy should never be allowed to be involved with cycling again.

EDIT: Pegasus is trending on twitter

 

[Anonymous]

I think Scott Sunderland just put it very well

Sometimes it is healthier for all for the boat not to leave the harbour instead of sinking still within sight of the shore.

 

[BroDeal]

 

[Anonymous]

I waited up for that. I expected more from you

 

[Francois the Postman]

All right, Euskaltel it is for Xein Tufxt then.

well played xir!

 

[auscyclefan94]

I waited up for that. I expected more from you

Maybe you should alter the photo and have the Pegasus printed on the plane. We know you want to!

 

[BroDeal]

I waited up for that. I expected more from you

 

[shouldawouldacoulda]

Originally Posted by Beech Mtn :
All right, Euskaltel it is for Xein Tufxt then.

well played xir!

Agreed. Brilliant.

 

[PCutter]

That's a big ask. It's only two years away. Less. I have got a lot of respect for Gerry Ryan and Jayco, though, so if anyone can do it maybe he can.

This plan has been in the wings for quite some time - just quietly in the background though, unlike some So it won't be going from nothing to PT in 2 years and it will also lend heavily on the experiences gained, and the staff of the Jayco U23 team which has been operating in Europe for a number of years. Expect Shayne Bannan (head coach of AIS) to be involved. And for sponsors to actually sign contracts. And more substance, less showbiz.

Back on topic, I can't wait to hear CW's response to how its the UCI's fault, Bert's fault, Gillett's fault, no one but his own. I will predict at some point in the interview he'll make the point about how in time the "full story will come out" - the normal excuse used in these situations, deflects blame to a later date, which never arrives.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Traksel

 

[auscyclefan94]

Traksel

Do you think vacansoleil or rabobank will sign him up?

 

[Anonymous]

Do you think vacansoleil or rabobank will sign him up?

There may be a pro-conti team will to sign him just to get a kbk invite

 

[Francois the Postman]

Gerry Ryan (owner of jayco) has said this evening on the 6pm bulletin of nine news that he wis aiming to have an australian team in the tour de france by 2012. Gerry Ryan is a proper businessman who will do a proper job.

You know, making statements like that makes me think someone else is just not getting it.

If you are serious about getting a proper team together and you don't have 2 Schlecks or the global face of cycling on the roster, please say you are aiming for PT status in, say, 4 years, and are aiming for a GT in maybe 2 or 3. TdF in 4. Then get sponsors who back this sort of long-term vision. Put results on the board that get you a PT license in 3 and some additional sponsors that are persuaded on real merit.

And make riders sign contracts for a team that can actually deliver what it promises.

Call me old-fashioned, but these things should be earned.

Folk coming in and saying that next year they are gonna get a team that will get them straight into the TdF..... go home and plug yourself into planet earth before you send 5000 volts through the PR machine.

It also helps if you want to come onto a global stage and don't be laughed at and taken the **** out from the word go. An Ozzie team that presents reasonable ambitions would be welcomed by many. Inflated egos get the welcome they deserve.

It is making me appreciate teams like Vacansoleil and Team SpiderTech all the more. Well done fellows.

BTW, I would be dead curious to know what some of the managers were telling their riders what they had netted for them when they signed for CW. If they hadn't informed their riders what risk they were taking, it isn't just CW who should be sent out into the lane after spending 20 minutes with some feathers and a generous helping of tar.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Do you think vacansoleil or rabobank will sign him up?

I doubt Rabo wants him. He didn't end up with them 1st time around.

I imagine that if Vacansoleil can still afford him they might take him on, after he has swallowed some humble pie. If the reports were right, they were keen to keep him, but Traksel wanted too much money for their liking. I don't think he left with bad blood between them. You can't begrudge anyone taking a better (cough) offer. If there is still money in the kittie, I don't know.

 

[cycutza]

I hope this guy rots in hell.
EDIT: Pegasus is trending on twitter

Its not like the guy just raped a village....he was obviously trying to do something that no-one else has been able to do in Aus cycling. Mistakes???...of course there was but don't forget he probably has a family too that is suffering through this.

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[auscyclefan94]

You know, making statements like that makes me think someone else is just not getting it.

If you are serious about getting a proper team together and you don't have 2 Schlecks or the global face of cycling on the roster, please say you are aiming for PT status in, say, 4 years, and are aiming for a GT in maybe 2 or 3. TdF in 4. Then get sponsors who back this sort of long-term vision. Put results on the board that get you a PT license in 3 and some additional sponsors that are persuaded on real merit.

And make riders sign contracts for a team that can actually deliver what it promises.

Call me old-fashioned, but these things should be earned.

Folk coming in and saying that next year they are gonna get a team that will get them straight into the TdF..... go home and plug yourself into planet earth before you send 5000 volts through the PR machine.

It also helps if you want to come onto a global stage and don't be laughed at and taken the **** out from the word go. An Ozzie team that presents reasonable ambitions would be welcomed by many. Inflated egos get the welcome they deserve.

It is making me appreciate teams like Vacansoleil and Team SpiderTech all the more. Well done fellows.

BTW, I would be dead curious to know what some of the managers were telling their riders what they had netted for them when they signed for CW. If they hadn't informed their riders what risk they were taking, it isn't just CW who should be sent out into the lane after spending 20 minutes with some feathers and a generous helping of tar.

Jayco have sponsored a development squad which is producing some of australia's top riders such as Hepburn and matthews. Jayco sponsors Australis' oldest stage race, the Sum Tour. Jayco sponsors Cycling Australia. Gerry Ryan is a smart cookie and he has been involved in many projects in the past that have been successful. The guy started his caravan business in a little shed in the middle of nowhere and now is the managing director of Jayco Australia. The guy is a very successful business man and trust me, he knows what he is doing.


Sunderland might be getting involved with the prokect.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Traksel

I like the rider, but he either has taken on the wrong manager, or he wittingly took a risk for the money, where the odds really favoured the house, and lost.

I feel less sorry for people who make their own mistakes.

Saying that, I'd be the first one to cheer when I hear he has found an alternative employer for next year.

 

[Anonymous]

Jayco have sponsored a development squad which is producing some of australia's top riders such as Hepburn and matthews. Jayco sponsors Australis' oldest stage race, the Sum Tour. Jayco sponsors Cycling Australia. Gerry Ryan is a smart cookie and he has been involved in many projects in the past that have been successful. The guy started his caravan business in a little shed in the middle of nowhere and now is the managing director of Jayco Australia. The guy is a very successful business man and trust me, he knows what he is doing.


Sunderland might be getting involved with the prokect.

trouble is mate, 6 months ago you were telling us how chris white had done it right, aussie domestic team, then dominated in america, etc etc.

Ive got to agree with francois.

It also helps if you want to come onto a global stage and don't be laughed at and taken the **** out from the word go. An Ozzie team that presents reasonable ambitions would be welcomed by many. Inflated egos get the welcome they deserve.

Think that says what we all think

 

[auscyclefan94]

Its not like the guy just raped a village....he was obviously trying to do something that no-one else has been able to do in Aus cycling. Mistake...of course there was but don't forget he probably has a family too that is suffering through this.

I guess costing 50 peoples jobs don't matter at all. He is an amateur and the timing was bad. Pobably a bit strong on my behalf but I doubt you would be happy if you were jobless around this time of the year and were in the position of many of these cyclists who could of taken many other offers from teams but stayed loyal to pegasus because they wanted to be apart of the first australian pro team. They have been screwed over and if you were a cyclist you would find it very hard to find a contract for next year in such a short time.

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[Libertine Seguros]

It is making me appreciate teams like Vacansoleil and Team SpiderTech all the more. Well done fellows.

The guys I'll be keeping an eye on are NetApp. They're a pretty small team, started up last year, have stepped up to ProConti this year but still have a relatively low-glamour squad. They're also swimming against the tide by being a German squad with ambition, but not trying to promise the world and save German cycling, rather just build up to something.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rohregger and Knees end up there at least - Knees and his German national champion's bands could well be very useful for them from a sponsor's perspective.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Jayco have sponsored a development squad which is producing some of australia's top riders such as Hepburn and matthews. Jayco sponsors Australis' oldest stage race, the Sum Tour. Jayco sponsors Cycling Australia. Gerry Ryan is a smart cookie and he has been involved in many projects in the past that have been successful. The guy started his caravan business in a little shed in the middle of nowhere and now is the managing director of Jayco Australia. The guy is a very successful business man and trust me, he knows what he is doing.


Sunderland might be getting involved with the prokect.

There are successful feeder teams all over the place. It is not something that is peculiar to Jayco. Actually, Jayco's development squad might have an easier ride than some because of its geographical isolation.

Vacansoleil sponsered tons of ASO races and that still didn't get them a wild card, after having shown their capacity with the big boys over a whole season, in an actual GT, and with additional ambitious French riders recruited with the TdF ambition in mind.

I am not so uninformed that I don't know that he isn't a rookie. But I am informed enough to know that anyone who thinks he can get from a marginally successful feeder team to a TdF wild card in one single step without being French is punching well above his weight.

 

[auscyclefan94]

There are successful feeder teams all over the place. Vacansoleil sponsered tons of ASO races and that still didn't get them a wild card, after having shown their capacity with the big boys over a whole season, in an actual GT, and with additional ambitious French riders recruited with the TdF ambition in mind.

I am not so uninformed that I don't know that he isn't a rookie. But I am informed enough to know that anyone who thinks he can get from a marginally successful feeder team to a TdF wild card in one single step without being French is punching well above his weight.

What I am saying is that he has done it the right way there is a sponsor that will back the team. not saying it gurantees them anything but teams like Sky, Radioshack took one bigger step than Jayco would have to by getting straight into the proTour and into the tdf so it is definetly possible.

 

[Beech Mtn]

well played xir!

Agreed. Brilliant.

Thanks guys.
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What about Quick Step for Traksel? Lefevre seems to be on a shopping spree of late. Any reason he wouldn't pick up Traksel? Riis could use him too, but I don't know whether he has the funds.