Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

[topcat]

He was probably drunk, so I don't expect him to act super rational. Maybe his opinion at the time was just that he didn't need the vaccine because he already had Covid. Not the biggest Sagan fan, but it's a bit harsh to assume that he's an anti-vax hardliner because of this.

Maybe he was sober and thinks the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid and has an ordinary opinion in this world of love.

 

[Oldermanish]

Hard to say whether Sagan actually is antivax or if it was simply used as an excuse for his behavior (probably not the best excuse as it's a controversial topic).

Didn't he already test positive for Covid?

 

[DaLong]

Lol political or personal ideologies have nothing to do with how well someone races. You can have bad ideas and be a great racer or you can be an unintelligent racer and have great ideas in other areas of life.

But can you actually? I think of Quinn Simmons...if you have bad ideas and put them out in public, you will have a hard time finding any type of team to sponsor you. Might be a good bike rider, but to race will be hard to accomplish due to the PR.

 

[PeterB]

Rather than indulging in your rather strange theory, let's address the key issue: you get arrested for D&D and the cops shoot you up with a vaccine? In Monaco? Really?

D&D as in Drink&Drive? Because I understand he did not drive, his brother did, who arguably did not drink.

He's changed his story:

What was his original story, if this is the changed one?

 

[Breh]

But can you actually? I think of Quinn Simmons...if you have bad ideas and put them out in public, you will have a hard time finding any type of team to sponsor you. Might be a good bike rider, but to race will be hard to accomplish due to the PR.

I think I disagree. This is cycling after all. Nobody is going let a good rider slip because of his antics. It might be sensitive for teams like Trek or EF but there's no way UAE, Astana or Bahrain or going to care. I don't think people on continental Europe cared much for whatever Simmons did.

Moscon, Bouhanni, a million proven dopers, Ricco, Sagan himself,... they've all had no problems getting a new contract.

 

[IndianCyclist]

He's changed his story:

This is going to reach the Froome Bilharzia level soon.
Drunk-Vaccine-Force-Son-Anti-doping = Genius level Story - A magnum opus- So many twists that one simply comes back to the starting point.

 

[tobydawq]

I really don't get his media management. Why are they always publishing quotes so hilariously far removed from how he would speak?

 

[Mayomaniac]

Maybe he was sober and thinks the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid and has an ordinary opinion in this world of love.

He already had Covid a few months earlier, so I get why he'd try to push getting forward towards the 2nd half of the year (possibly off season) so that (mild) side effects wouldn't interfere with his training, his form and/or his season goals.

 

[Aimar16]

Maybe he was sober and thinks the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid and has an ordinary opinion in this world of love.

He is a perfectly healthy elite athlete. Of course the vaccine is more dangerous to his health than Covid. The vaccine greatly reduces the symptoms, potentially saving the lives of people whose lifestyles are not healthy, or who have other illnesses or are old. But it doesn't really have a benefit for someone like Sagan.

 

[tobydawq]

He is a perfectly healthy elite athlete. Of course the vaccine is more dangerous to his health than Covid. The vaccine greatly reduces the symptoms, potentially saving the lives of people whose lifestyles are not healthy, or who have other illnesses or are old. But it doesn't really have a benefit for someone like Sagan.

Well, given how his spring was wrecked because he got the disease, I have a hard time agreeing with that. Though, of course this was after, so he probably wouldn't need it there.

Anyway, why would he think they could just force-inject him? Is that a thing in Monaco?

 

[Jspear]

But can you actually? I think of Quinn Simmons...if you have bad ideas and put them out in public, you will have a hard time finding any type of team to sponsor you. Might be a good bike rider, but to race will be hard to accomplish due to the PR.

Well that is a different point entirely and not the one that I was making.

 

[Koronin]

They can force inject you with who knows what in Monaco?

 

[BlueRoads]

It's his choice whether he wants to get vaccinated or not, as long as he's not busy spreading this view I find it totally okay. The crazy part is that he was so drunk that he thought they would force-vaccinate him right there... if that really was what happened.

 

[BlueRoads]

They can force inject you with who knows what in Monaco?

Be careful if you ever travel there!

 

[Aimar16]

Well, given how his spring was wrecked because he got the disease, I have a hard time agreeing with that. Though, of course this was after, so he probably wouldn't need it there.

Anyway, why would he think they could just force-inject him? Is that a thing in Monaco?

Just because you've been vaccinated doesn't mean you can't catch the virus. The biggest benefit of the vaccine is that it reduces the symptoms. It saves people's lives and reduces the number of hospitalisations. Sagan's immune system is strong enough to easily defeat Covid. Which was proven since he was only quarantined and not hospitalized. His preparation for the spring was of course greatly affected by Covid as he was unable to train outside while his Covid tests were positive.

 

[glassmoon]

It's his choice whether he wants to get vaccinated or not, as long as he's not busy spreading this view I find it totally okay. The crazy part is that he was so drunk that he thought they would force-vaccinate him right there... if that really was what happened.

most likely just something his lawyer advised him to say as a lame excuse... we all know Peter isn't the sharpest tool in the shed... in fact he's far from being one... but to think his lawyer is also that stupid is kinda fun.

 

[Breezy1985]

He's changed his story:

 

[fmk_RoI]

I really don't get his media management. Why are they always publishing quotes so hilariously far removed from how he would speak?

Does John Deering still do his PR or was that just a couple of times?

The way this has been handled has been a farce. First the lawyer's version, then "Sagan's" version on social media, then his version to Cycling News.

 

[Oldermanish]

He is a perfectly healthy elite athlete. Of course the vaccine is more dangerous to his health than Covid. The vaccine greatly reduces the symptoms, potentially saving the lives of people whose lifestyles are not healthy, or who have other illnesses or are old. But it doesn't really have a benefit for someone like Sagan.

As I've noted on another thread we know several doctors that are triathletes that got Covid. Some before vaccines were available and some after they had been vaccinated. Most had generally mild, flu-like responses. A few have the lingering low-energy periods as well so it's not entirely without impact for either. My booster shot had a weeklong impact of low energy that would have interfered with my pro-level training. Fortunately I'm not a pro or pro level or training at all. Except some beer, wine and tequila. And doughnuts.

Off season would be a good time for Peter to man-up.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Off season would be a good time for Peter to man-up.

He already has:

However, Sagan made it clear he is not against COVID-19 vaccination. {...] He told Cyclingnews he has since had a follow-up vaccination during the summer and now has a complete COVID-19 pass.

This is the problem with his PR people here: they allowed the lawyer's version to get out without getting ahead of it by clarifying that he's not really 'a friend of Talansky' (a euphemism that surely has legs).

 

[Tim Cahill]

Damnit, Talansky too is it, what a crackpot. I always loved that Dauphine 2014 race as well.

 

[Jspear]

Damnit, Talansky too is it, what a crackpot. I always loved that Dauphine 2014 race as well.

That was a horrible Dauphine. Contador was supposed to win!

 

[limak_]

So as it turns out, on this forum, you can freely insult an ex-rider (not to mention it's a total offtop) just because you don't like his personal views or his personal opinions and observations about the current world situation.

What do we know from this thread about Andrew Talansky (despite it's not even his thread) so far?

• he's a total nutcase
• he was never an intelligent racer - because of his personal views being "controversial" for some
• he's a crackpot
• somene even decided to take very serious steps and unfollowed him on twitter

I think a comment from a man himself sums up all of it very well:

 

[tobydawq]

So as it turns out, on this forum, you can freely insult an ex-rider (not to mention it's a total offtop) just because you don't like his personal views or his personal opinions and observations about the current world situation.

What do we know from this thread about Andrew Talansky (despite it's not even his thread) so far?

• he's a total nutcase
• he was never an intelligent racer - because of his personal views being "controversial" for some
• he's a crackpot
• somene even decided to take very serious steps and unfollowed him on twitter

I think a comment from a man himself sums up all of it very well:

Lol.

 

[fmk_RoI]

somene even decided to take very serious steps and unfollowed him on twitter

If unfollowing someone on Twitter is "very serious steps" in your world I worry for you. Are you a friend of Talansky?