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Teams & Riders Peter Sagan discussion thread.

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Ludwig's Olaf said:
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Rider of the TDF - To be in breakaways for 3 consecutive days, and still be fighting for the stage finish is awesome.

That was more like half the peloton than a breakaway, and the main field did not chase. A recreative ride but for the last gentle climb. How much did the main contenders pull back on Sagan on the climb and descent? Three, four minutes? Sagan's team told him the Spanish guy pulled out too much time, but he could not chase him down uphill on his own. That simple. If it had been a Contador in this breakaway, he would have gotten assistance by other riders, because he pays back such debts. Sagan doesn't, and the more 2nd places he collects, the crazier he's becoming. What's he trying to do, anyway? The green jersey can't be taken from him anymore, he can't win a stage with a moderate hill towards the end, so why doesn't he stay with his team?

If the gap had been 30 seconds cresting the summit he would have won the stage. These stages are harder for him to win, but he can certainly win them.
 

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Ludwig's Olaf said:
yaco said:
Rider of the TDF - To be in breakaways for 3 consecutive days, and still be fighting for the stage finish is awesome.

That was more like half the peloton than a breakaway, and the main field did not chase. A recreative ride but for the last gentle climb. How much did the main contenders pull back on Sagan on the climb and descent? Three, four minutes? Sagan's team told him the Spanish guy pulled out too much time, but he could not chase him down uphill on his own. That simple. If it had been a Contador in this breakaway, he would have gotten assistance by other riders, because he pays back such debts. Sagan doesn't, and the more 2nd places he collects, the crazier he's becoming. What's he trying to do, anyway? The green jersey can't be taken from him anymore, he can't win a stage with a moderate hill towards the end, so why doesn't he stay with his team?
He wanted only one thing which was win the stage as simple is that.Well was his fifth second place in this tour and he doesn't look crazy.He needs to a few second places to break Zabel record in that and also a few green jerseys.That's his mission!!
 
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Ludwig's Olaf said:
yaco said:
Rider of the TDF - To be in breakaways for 3 consecutive days, and still be fighting for the stage finish is awesome.

That was more like half the peloton than a breakaway, and the main field did not chase. A recreative ride but for the last gentle climb. How much did the main contenders pull back on Sagan on the climb and descent? Three, four minutes? Sagan's team told him the Spanish guy pulled out too much time, but he could not chase him down uphill on his own. That simple. If it had been a Contador in this breakaway, he would have gotten assistance by other riders, because he pays back such debts. Sagan doesn't, and the more 2nd places he collects, the crazier he's becoming. What's he trying to do, anyway? The green jersey can't be taken from him anymore, he can't win a stage with a moderate hill towards the end, so why doesn't he stay with his team?
There has been some strange logic in this thread, but this one easily the cake. The dude just finished second and, by all accounts, did a great job. As fungusbear said, these stages may be tougher for him to win, but that doesn´t mean he can´t win them. What exactly is the value in sitting 20 minutes back with his team, giving up before he ever tries and doing nothing in the biggest event of the year?

Just as the gutless breakaways are counting on the idea that constantly keeping Sagan out will heighten their chances of winning down the road, Sagan is counting on his persistence yielding some good fortune. He has a great attitude.
 
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I also dont understand this "anti sagan tactics". The riders from breakaway, who didnt chase, just lost the race.
Geraint Thomas won E3 harelbeke from the breakaway with Sagan. He tried and won, what a great rider.

Yesterday, Sagan was the fastest descender and sprinter from the group, but the descend was dangerous, anything could happen...,

Lets compare Sagan and the other riders from breakaway. They knew, they have smaller chance against Sagan, so they didnt even try and they got nothing. Sagan also knows, he has small chance to win without a very good team support, but he tries again and again. He didnt win a stage but he got his reward anyway (fans, tv coverage...).
 
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Could stage 18 be a possible stage for Sagan to win from a break?
I hope he will wait on the top of Allos and Glandon for Alberto to join him, but other than that, yes I do think he could win the stage to Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne.

well, if sagan has enough in the tank to be in competion in stage 18 with saving some energy tomorrow, that would mean he is even bigger beast than I thought. But if he will fight for the win in the stage 18 after being in the break in stage 17, than he would be out of this world. I can't imagine that a human being could do this. Especially if you look what happens with riders after the next stage after being in break. E.g. Yates and Peraud in stage 15.
Nevertheles, it would be so entertaining to watch such a show, so let's bring it on
 
Asked about the presence of the day-long breakaway and Sagan's comportment in it with such an aggressive ride, Hansen said: "I don't want to say he races stupid. He just has too much power. He doesn't know what to do with it.
"He was just attacking, attacking and attacking; and the reason why I went early [was] I thought it was better that he chases me than I chase him. He just keeps going …"


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-2015-peter-sagan-still-the-tours-nearly-man-20150721-gigub6.html#ixzz3gYFz0pQW
 
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Could stage 18 be a possible stage for Sagan to win from a break?
I dont think so. Because tomorrow will be his worst day in this year TdF.
With all adrenalin gone, his muscles will scream on top of PRA LOUP. So, I think he will call off all thoughts about stage 18th break.
But with Peter .. we could "Expect the unexpected" :)
 

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what if sagan lost a bit of weight and rode more with his head and less with his heart...would he be a GC contender?
No please.Canondale team done similar experiment in 2013 before TOS and took him two years get back on the same level as he was before.Sagan is here to win big classics not GT's.
 
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KGB said:
Ludwig's Olaf said:
yaco said:
Rider of the TDF - To be in breakaways for 3 consecutive days, and still be fighting for the stage finish is awesome.

That was more like half the peloton than a breakaway, and the main field did not chase. A recreative ride but for the last gentle climb. How much did the main contenders pull back on Sagan on the climb and descent? Three, four minutes? Sagan's team told him the Spanish guy pulled out too much time, but he could not chase him down uphill on his own. That simple. If it had been a Contador in this breakaway, he would have gotten assistance by other riders, because he pays back such debts. Sagan doesn't, and the more 2nd places he collects, the crazier he's becoming. What's he trying to do, anyway? The green jersey can't be taken from him anymore, he can't win a stage with a moderate hill towards the end, so why doesn't he stay with his team?
He wanted only one thing which was win the stage as simple is that.Well was his fifth second place in this tour and he doesn't look crazy.He needs to a few second places to break Zabel record in that and also a few green jerseys.That's his mission!!
People on this forum have said Sagan has failed as he hasn't won a stage. All that means is that it has taken five different riders to beat him. He has been beaten by riders equipped with specialist lead out trains while he is on his own most days - his team is built around Contador's GC fortunes. Most days Sagan does a shed-load of work both in breakaways and for himself and is contesting the intermediate sprints most days. He also able to front up again to get involved the next day even when he has had a hard stage the day before. Sagan has been able to get as much TV time for his team as any other rider in the Tour (certainly more than AC) He has taken out the sprinter's jersey already (?) and with a bit of luck and possible help from his team he could cap it off with a stage win in Paris. I can only dream of failing that bad on the bike. :D
 
Etixx-QS DS Brian Holm just said on TV that Peter Sagan in his opinion is the best rider of the tour. It doesn't matter whether he wins or not. It's what he does on the bike: Relentless attacks uphill, flat or downhill. Holm stressed that he has never seen anyone quite like Sagan!

Impressive words from someone who's been in pro cycling for 30 years.
 
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Great seeing Sagan stop on the side of the road today and help out his team leader. Unlike Majka who continued to pedal on hard even with zero chance of winning the stage or obtaining any mountain points. Sagan not only the best rider in the Tour, but also wins top points for having the class to honor his role as a domestique even though he is much more than that.
 
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Sagan can Officially clinch the Green Jersey TODAY in Stage 18, if he gets 111 points ahead of Greipel.
Currently, he is 104 points ahead.

*Assuming of course that:
a) he finishes the tour
b) Greipel doesn't win the mountain stages :)
 

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4.green on his shoulders.Now what?Change points system again?
Now Oleg need to sign D.Oss. for Sagan and only this two will be enough as a whole team for spring classics next season.
 
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If he has this shape in the classics....

I don't believe in the whole 200+km races, that it's the reason sagan did poor in the classics. Look at E3 this year, he just wasn't good enough
 

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