SKSemtex said:I still do not understand how this "stupid" Sagan can be on podium practically in every third race he enters. Especially in TDF and especially in bunch sprints, how can he as non-sprinter alone without any train beat all those "smart" cyclists. Probably luck.
Yes, he is definitely dumb and without any street smartness.
If your input was intended to be a sort of reply to mine just a bit further above, then please understand I definitely do not judge or challenge Peter's intelligence in general nor his 'street smartness' ...
I have for sure never seen any dumb moves from him - maybe in some instances he makes a decision which on hindsight proves to be the wrong one (e.g. sprint at Milan-San Remo), but that happens and has nothing to do with a lack of wit or the like ....
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To prevent the usual Slovak media headlines: "Yet another disappointment. Sagan finished 138th."Keram said:
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C'mon guys, please don't discuss here the issues which have nothing to do with the professional road cycling.
To sum up what have been said above:
1. Sagan is already a great rider, in terms of talent, results/palmares, entertainment he gives to the spectators etc.
2. His wins are mostly driven by his physical capabilities (strength, endurance) than his tactical skills, smartness etc.
3. Still, a win is a win - and on that field, he's hardly comparable to any other contemporary rider.
4. And that has nothing do to with his intellectual capacity - he is just a great rider, regardless of what is his IQ (I mean: it could be either 60 or 260 - in each case, he is a great rider).
4. His father is not a professional cyclist - so there is no reason to judge here on his brightness or his any other capacity.
To sum up what have been said above:
1. Sagan is already a great rider, in terms of talent, results/palmares, entertainment he gives to the spectators etc.
2. His wins are mostly driven by his physical capabilities (strength, endurance) than his tactical skills, smartness etc.
3. Still, a win is a win - and on that field, he's hardly comparable to any other contemporary rider.
4. And that has nothing do to with his intellectual capacity - he is just a great rider, regardless of what is his IQ (I mean: it could be either 60 or 260 - in each case, he is a great rider).
4. His father is not a professional cyclist - so there is no reason to judge here on his brightness or his any other capacity.
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Point A to point B - Use team.
Point B to Point C - Use last man
Point C Attack and drop everybody
Point D - Cross the line in first place without crashing
Sky have been doing it for the last 5 years without exerting the brains of the riders. Surely Bora can do it too. Which is why Guimard is considered the greatest DS. Sagan needs a Riis to do the thinking for him.
It doesnot matter if he is smart or not. The DS, manager can cover that. What he needs is a team.tomorrow said:
Point A to point B - Use team.
Point B to Point C - Use last man
Point C Attack and drop everybody
Point D - Cross the line in first place without crashing
Sky have been doing it for the last 5 years without exerting the brains of the riders. Surely Bora can do it too. Which is why Guimard is considered the greatest DS. Sagan needs a Riis to do the thinking for him.
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That's absurd. You need to be smart to make new plans and decisions on the spot when an unexpected situation or opportunity arises during the race. That's why Sky didn't have a very good record in the classics until like a year ago - your approach doesn't work.
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Put a QS Train with sagan as leader and it will work. Hell it will work even with a sky classics train as well. If the riders were so intelligent and smart how come they require radio to contact their DS every time there is an incident. Nowadays the decisions are with the backroom staff. Even Cancellara had a team with Devolder, Rast and popo to help out
There were moments today when I thought "man he is on the mission". Well positioned. He was finally on his usual attacking mode and didnt played mind games. But horrible luck once again this spring. But I didnt expected he would crack so badly at Carrefour though. I dont think he would win today. He miss something to win Roubaix. Ronde is better suited to him. I hope he wont ride AGR. He need to rest both physically and mentally.
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Yeah, when I saw him always being near the front before Arenberg, I thought he was gonna do something big today and the move with Oss, Bodnar and Stuyven seemed really promising.
But his punctures happened at the absolute worst times.
And in the end I think he simply gave up.
He did great, just very bad luck and you can't win Paris-Roubaix without a bit of luck.
Keram said:
Yeah, when I saw him always being near the front before Arenberg, I thought he was gonna do something big today and the move with Oss, Bodnar and Stuyven seemed really promising.
But his punctures happened at the absolute worst times.
And in the end I think he simply gave up.
He did great, just very bad luck and you can't win Paris-Roubaix without a bit of luck.
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It was incredible that he twice managed to get away from his biggest rivals on the flat. Normally they are all glued to his wheel so it normally never happens and in both instances I thought he would ride away with it (although the first time was from very far out). And then to puncture both times. That is beyond the normal realms of the term unlucky.
He has confirmed that he is done for now and will - as usual - come back in California before Tour des Suisse and France.
He has confirmed that he is done for now and will - as usual - come back in California before Tour des Suisse and France.
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Well, the Giro's place on the calendar isn't particularly good in relation to combining it with the cobbled classics either. So, you may be right, which would be a huge shame.
DFA123 said:I guess, at least while he is riding for Specialized he's always going to be doing California. Which means we may never get to see him tearing up the Giro in his career.tobydawq said:
Well, the Giro's place on the calendar isn't particularly good in relation to combining it with the cobbled classics either. So, you may be right, which would be a huge shame.
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