Phil and Paul

[blackcat]

senility
to pasture

 

[blackcat]

This might be unpopular - but I would like to see/hear Andreu commentate on NBC Sports. He's pretty funny and has a lot of knowledge. He knows he to sit back and just watch.
Not sure who I would pair him with, though

he is good.

right you are vg

 

[jonny testaronny]

I've Had It With These Guys

Finally wrote an email to NBCSports to complain. I think the only thing that will cause NBCSports to get rid of these guys are viewer complaints for better announcers, which worked with soccer in the US after a while (eg, ESPN getting rid of Dave O'Brian). Email address is nbcsportshelp@nbcuni.com. Here's what I said:

"You've rebranded your channel. You want to up your game and compete with ESPN. Your Major League Soccer broadcasts are a nice upgrade over those of Fox Soccer Channel. All good, so far. But your cycling announcers are stuck in the dinosaur era. It's bad enough that they publicy suck up to a lying, doping, bullying fraud like Lance Armstrong. Bad enough that they give obvious dope cheaters a platform to lie about their drug use, like they did Floyd Landis before he confessed. But they're becoming increasingly worse as announcers. Ligget & Sherwin are no longer capable of identifying most riders shown on the screen, unless they're getting a feed from the race radio. Their clichéd remarks about the racing are beyond stale. Bob Roll's goofy inanities have become more dopey than amusing, and he has no more insight into the race tactics than a guy like me, who never raced but has followed the sport for some 15 years.

You need fresh announcers with more to offer viewers. Steve Schlanger and Todd Gugolski from your sister station, Universal Sports, would be a good start. While they also have trouble identifying riders and don't seem as familiar as they ought to be with what's happened in European racing during the year, Schlanger is a solid and reasonably passionate play-by-play man. Gogo offers a lot more tactical insight than Roll. Better still, they don't have their mouths firmly attached to Armstrong's backside, and don't attack people trying to clean up the sport. You could also seek out new announcers--there must be dozens of articulate former US pros out there who would be an upgrade over Roll--people like Jamie or Jonas Carney, or John Lieswyn, as opposed to boring & tired hacks like John Eustice.

It took MLS, ABC, and ESPN years to learn that you don't build viewership for a less-popular sport in this country by antagonizing your most knowledgable fans. You can cut that process short by ditching Ligget, Sherwin, and Roll now. Remember, it's not very hard for internet-savvy fans--and most American cycling fans are--to find places other than NBC Sports to watch the Tour de France."

 

[orangerider]

This might be unpopular - but I would like to see/hear Andreu commentate on NBC Sports. He's pretty funny and has a lot of knowledge. He knows he to sit back and just watch.
Not sure who I would pair him with, though

Oh goodness please no. Frankie does not commentate well in live action. He's much much better at interviews and perhaps taped rehearsed stuff. Keep him far away from live commentary.

 

[LongSprint]

they probably look like phil and paul in the mirror

Bob looks like Paul? Are they identical twins?

 

[Boeing]

Oh goodness please no. Frankie does not commentate well in live action. He's much much better at interviews and perhaps taped rehearsed stuff. Keep him far away from live commentary.

I actually think he is better live. his rehearsed stuff is so canned.

 

[53x11 in DC]

This might be unpopular - but I would like to see/hear Andreu commentate on NBC Sports. He's pretty funny and has a lot of knowledge. He knows he to sit back and just watch.
Not sure who I would pair him with, though

Respectfully disagree. GREAT "sideline" interviewer, but he'd have to step up his game. I actually ran into him last Friday at the Uptown crit stage of the NVGP in Minneapolis. Think he's part of Kenda management.

Not ready for prime time.

On another note, gogo and eustice put me to sleep during Philly coverage. Or maybe it was the racing. Not sure. Totally uninspired production though.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Im thinking the fact that Phil and Paul being such pro Lance fans even to date they wont have a bad word said about him ,has anything to do with Paul been given a PR job at Motorolla when Lance was the team leader, as your not going to say anything bad about your team leader are you.

 

[simo1733]

I don't mind Paul so much but Phil is so far past his sell buy date that it's not funny any more.

 

[danjo007]

I'm extremely glad I normally don't have to listen to them.

I also find it disturbing that the regular cycling watcher in the US or Australia has to listen to these guys. These people get an wrong image of cycling.

is riding a bike different for a clogwog?

 

[Boeing]

I'm extremely glad I normally don't have to listen to them.

I also find it disturbing that the regular cycling watcher in the US or Australia has to listen to these guys. These people get an wrong image of cycling.

I'm always surprised at the number of people here who love them what does that say?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Scott Moninger with P & P

Scott Moninger doing play by play with Phil and Paul.

http://redkiteprayer.com/2012/06/tuesdays-with-wilcockson-phil-paul-boband-scott/

I think Frankie A. is the far better choice. But, whomever is the decider sticks with Phil and Paul. Maybe some other allegiances factored into it too?

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

This might be unpopular - but I would like to see/hear Andreu commentate on NBC Sports. He's pretty funny and has a lot of knowledge. He knows he to sit back and just watch.
Not sure who I would pair him with, though

Oh goodness please no. Frankie does not commentate well in live action. He's much much better at interviews and perhaps taped rehearsed stuff. Keep him far away from live commentary.

I actually think he is better live. his rehearsed stuff is so canned.

Why unpopular? I agree with you he is pretty funny if allowed to speak his mind. He does do good interviews, but I'd like to see him get a shot at live coverage because as Boeing says, his interviews seem canned, like he has been reigned in.

 

[stainlessguy1]

considering the state of the world , and the world in sports . Phil and Paul are doing a bang on job and have been for many years .
They are easy on the ears and thus reached out to many people that didnt know that you could even ride a bike that far . ( speaking of non Euro countires here ) .
It has taken all the old timers many years to get to this level of excitment in cycling internationally and boy o boy we have finally done it .

Thanks Paul and Phil , for your contribution , keep up the good work and here is to hoping you still enjoy your job .

 

[Boeing]

considering the state of the world , and the world in sports . Phil and Paul are doing a bang on job and have been for many years .
They are easy on the ears and thus reached out to many people that didnt know that you could even ride a bike that far . ( speaking of non Euro countires here ) .
It has taken all the old timers many years to get to this level of excitment in cycling internationally and boy o boy we have finally done it .

Thanks Paul and Phil , for your contribution , keep up the good work and here is to hoping you still enjoy your job .

you certainly know how to kill a thread

what a load of gobblygook spoken like a man on a mission possessed with the talent of a one certain lance armstrong fan. you have the rest of us going backwards off the back in a spot of bother and the string is about to snap because our team chose a tricycle for this climb and phil will indeed wonder why we chose a tricycle for this climb.. a true head of state you are. Ooolala as they say in France. I fear your reply will be like tossing a cat amongst the pigeons.


you are going to have to reach into that suitcase of courage and turn those pedals in anger to get over on me son


I love the fact that they cant identify Tom Boonen in his World Champ colors on the ground close up but when he is riding Paul notices him right away in a mad sprint like Charge of the light brigade with his "beautiful" and "bronze legs pumping like pistons" I wonder about that guy paul in other ways as well

 

[nowhereman]

Bums, both of them. Repeating the same nonsense ad nauseum, just rife with a lot more mistakes when the calls get more urgent on the road. Their time has come and gone. Why can't people get over these neanderthals?

 

[Fowsto Cope-E]

There are many people here in America that love Phil and Paul. I think these people like them because they like the sound of British accents, that they always express enthusiasm in their voice, and that they don't have long pauses in their commentating.

I, though, can't stand them for many reasons. They have no clue what they're talking about most of the time and they are way to biased to Lance, ATOC, anti-Contador, etc.

I remember in 2010, before the prologue, all of the Versus commentators predicted Lance to win the Tour and completely neglected to mention Andy Schleck as a contender for the race. And then, this year before the first stage of California, I turned on the TV and the first thing I heard was, "and the Amgen Tour of California has now become that greatest race in the world." I changed the channel immediately.

 

[DominicDecoco]

And then, this year before the first stage of California, I turned on the TV and the first thing I heard was, "and the Amgen Tour of California has now become that greatest race in the world." I changed the channel immediately.

I refuse to actually believe they said that.

 

[Fowsto Cope-E]

I refuse to actually believe they said that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrq6kFmX-v8&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0B00FBD71DD48644

Unfortunately, they did. It's around 2:30.

 

[simo1733]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrq6kFmX-v8&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0B00FBD71DD48644

Unfortunately, they did. It's around 2:30.

I wish I hadn't watched that.They should be banned by WADA.I'm sure their blood profiles must be pretty suspect.

 

[Angliru]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrq6kFmX-v8&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0B00FBD71DD48644

Unfortunately, they did. It's around 2:30.

Well technically it was only Phil. Paul seemed to kind of hesitate as if shocked by the stupidity of what preceded him but played along. Absolutely shocking that Phil would allow that to slip from his mouth.

 

[El Imbatido]

Bums, both of them. Repeating the same nonsense ad nauseum, just rife with a lot more mistakes when the calls get more urgent on the road. Their time has come and gone. Why can't people get over these neanderthals?

Or this classic Phil stuff up....it has been posted before but probably is about 20 pages back by now. Phil before stage 3 of the 2010 Tour de France (cobble stage) says contador doesnt know howto ride cobbles but clever people like Armstrong do....Cringe worthy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2G0Uoudkus

 

[hiero2]

you certainly know how to kill a thread

what a load of gobblygook spoken like a man on a mission possessed with the talent of a one certain lance armstrong fan. you have the rest of us going backwards off the back in a spot of bother and the string is about to snap because our team chose a tricycle for this climb and phil will indeed wonder why we chose a tricycle for this climb.. a true head of state you are. Ooolala as they say in France. I fear your reply will be like tossing a cat amongst the pigeons.


you are going to have to reach into that suitcase of courage and turn those pedals in anger to get over on me son


I love the fact that they cant identify Tom Boonen in his World Champ colors on the ground close up but when he is riding Paul notices him right away in a mad sprint like Charge of the light brigade with his "beautiful" and "bronze legs pumping like pistons" I wonder about that guy paul in other ways as well

Boeing - you are funny here, even if I don't usually find sarcasm funny. I have to admit, I tend to agree with that oldstainlesssteel guy, though. I've been watching, or attempting to watch, the Tour since Greg L was riding and before Andy won the Giro. We have come a long way, and I think we should remember that.

However, you will also find me watching the Eurovision streaming reports instead of Phil and Paul - their reporting has grown quite inane. I do think it is somewhat worse than it was when they were younger, but not a whole lot. But my tolerance of it has certainly gone down - and they have competition. Competition is a good thing.

 

[Kender]

Seems P & P enjoy commenting on the wine and cheese from the areas they're riding through more than the cycling these days. I dont mind this non cycling commentary though...

The thing i can't stand the most is when 1 says something, then the other repeats it almost word for word as their own comment to the one who said it first (they both do it to each other). then 20 mins later, they repeat the exact same comments. I often find myself yelling at the TV

Matt Keenan does a great job when he does the commentary before P&P come on, He's always solo too. If he had someone else to talk with as well he might do even better. He has great knowledge of the riders and seems to get better every year

I also like the insight Sean Kelly brings about what the riders are experiencing, or how they might have set their bikes up. It's the sort of info you can only gain from actually doing it first hand.

 

[Kender]

Im thinking the fact that Phil and Paul being such pro Lance fans even to date they wont have a bad word said about him ,has anything to do with Paul been given a PR job at Motorolla when Lance was the team leader, as your not going to say anything bad about your team leader are you.

or maybe it was because Lance bought 2% of Sherwen's mine when they needed the cash injection