Phil and Paul

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Fowsto Cope-E said:
There are many people here in America that love Phil and Paul. I think these people like them because they like the sound of British accents, that they always express enthusiasm in their voice, and that they don't have long pauses in their commentating.

I, though, can't stand them for many reasons. They have no clue what they're talking about most of the time and they are way to biased to Lance, ATOC, anti-Contador, etc.

I remember in 2010, before the prologue, all of the Versus commentators predicted Lance to win the Tour and completely neglected to mention Andy Schleck as a contender for the race.:rolleyes: And then, this year before the first stage of California, I turned on the TV and the first thing I heard was, "and the Amgen Tour of California has now become that greatest race in the world." I changed the channel immediately.

nothing worse than watching these dbags tell each other how great they are all the damn time.
 
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Appalling but it doesn't sound like he really means it, just one of the things he says without thinking, does show he'll stop at nothing to kiss up to who's buttering his bread. That Livewrong wristband says it all.
 
Mar 26, 2009
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I kindly ask all the posters who have access to P&P commentary to reports all the funniest quotes of this Tour 2012. :p
 
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I Second that

Michele said:
I kindly ask all the posters who have access to P&P commentary to reports all the funniest quotes of this Tour 2012. :p

Would it be possible to start a new PnP at the 2012 TdF thread?

I'll start by pointing out two key skills every sports commentator must.

1, Be able to state the obvious like it was your own discovery. eg. "He'll have to go faster if he wants to win this race!" Things like that.

2. Describe what's on screen as if YOU, the commentator, are making it happen. "He's attacking! Look at him go! And (rider X) can't stay with him, Paul!"
 
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rickshaw said:
Would it be possible to start a new PnP at the 2012 TdF thread?

I'll start by pointing out two key skills every sports commentator must.

1, Be able to state the obvious like it was your own discovery. eg. "He'll have to go faster if he wants to win this race!" Things like that.

2. Describe what's on screen as if YOU, the commentator, are making it happen. "He's attacking! Look at him go! And (rider X) can't stay with him, Paul!"


is it obviousness riders are "going backward" Really? umm no they aren't really they are moving forward phil

cant wait to hear what they have to say about Lance
 
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Phil told us it was a case of "sour grapes" at the TOC 2010 : stating the obvious really, sure it's "sour grapes" and it's true as well...even Phil knows that.
 
May 11, 2009
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One has to remember that P and P (and BR) are hired by broadcast companies to talk to the many non-cyclist viewers of cycling shows. Do they really believe in advertising bull rising and other non-cycling events.

Some day perhaps there will be a cycling oriented satellite broadcast network aimed at real cyclists.
 
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Michele said:
I kindly ask all the posters who have access to P&P commentary to reports all the funniest quotes of this Tour 2012. :p

"These are desperate moments," originally coined by Phil Liggett, will be pronounced by one of the 3 toward the end of nearly every non-mountain/non TT stage, usually when the peloton are trying decide whether to chase down a breakaway or let it go. Funny, the peloton don't seem to be particularly desperate at the time, but the pronouncement has become something of a drinking game at my house. :D
 
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So far Paul has used "riding like a man possessed" 2x both for Gilbert. Just when I thought they leveled their game and tempered their fictional accounts of live action, all goes to heck and a hand-basket with Phillipe's ride. Phil was so excited about the Belgian colors and the Belgian crowd and creating a story line which doesn't exist, he misses calling the finish well short of the actual finish and just as we was to declare Philippe the leader he tells us he was 4 seconds out.

They keep talking about crowds. 'turned up in mass" "i dont know where they come from" it looks rather light to me and there wasn't anyone at team presents

How about "We don't know where they are"

better suited for the travel channel. they do a good job of describing the landscape I guess.
 
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I thought of something last night - it might make it easier for some folks to understand why Phil and Paul should be respected, and not reviled - even if you choose to watch a different broadcaster! [Which I do, btw]. The thing to understand is that American broadcasters are still keyed in to American participation, and uninitiated audiences. I don't think most of the audience is that ignorant today, but who am I to say what the broadcasters give us?

A little timeline folks -
1986 - Greg wins his 1st tour - we get about an hour recap of the week's racing on the weekend. It might have been 1.5 hours.
1988 - down to no coverage again, if I recall. It was certainly a spotty period, with Lemond out of action.
89-90 - we get once weekly recap coverage, with a limited coverage of intermediate stages.
Coverage fades, 90-92 or 93. By 1993 I think there was no coverage again - no Americans were involved. Somebody help me here - we got a little coverage when Lance got involved.

Remember, in 1993 if you talked about the "internet" nobody would have known what you were talking about. The world-wide-web was still limited pretty much to unix users - very few, and very far between. BBS and telnet were big. The first browsers, Cello and Violawww were tiny one or two paragraph bits of news, buried somewhere in the middle of everything else. Marc Andreeson developed Cello the next year.

Lance brought coverage back to the US. His participation gave us an American hero again, and the networks would give THAT some time. I believe he doped, and that has spoiled those wins for me - but I can not take away that his wins were responsible for bringing good cycling coverage to the U.S. Additionally, he came from the tri-ranks, and that was a huge untapped audience that tuned in to the TdF because of Lance. They also started turning out for club rides in large numbers because of this.

Phil and Paul are cyclists, and they brought experience and knowledge to the broadcasts - to explain what was going on to, as I said earlier, an uninitiated audience. They helped grow the coverage in the US. If the US has grown past them, fine, no sweat off my nose. But, I still think they are due respect for the role they have played.

Bob Roll is another man due some respect, in spite of his clownish broadcasting. Remember - he finished the Giro riding for Andy Hampsten. ANY rider who managed to finish that Gavia stage is due respect.

Now, I will go back to my Eurosport broadcast with Sean Kelly.

Chapeau!
 
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When Harmon and Kirby were doing my head in this afternoon, I switched over to ITV4 for about 30 seconds. Dave and Carlton sounded superb after that!
 
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hiero2 said:
I thought of something last night - it might make it easier for some folks to understand why Phil and Paul should be respected, and not reviled - even if you choose to watch a different broadcaster! [Which I do, btw]. The thing to understand is that American broadcasters are still keyed in to American participation, and uninitiated audiences. I don't think most of the audience is that ignorant today, but who am I to say what the broadcasters give us?

A little timeline folks -

Coverage fades, 90-92 or 93. By 1993 I think there was no coverage again - no Americans were involved. Somebody help me here - we got a little coverage when Lance got involved.

There was 1/2hr Daily recap coverage on ESPN starting in 1989, I have it all on tape :) That coverage continued until Versus took over in around 2002? with Daily full live coverage.

Phil, Paul and Bob were once a treat, but they are all past their due date IMO. They weren't to awful today, but by the time week 3 rolls around I'll be muting them LOL :)
 
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Bernie's eyesore said:
When Harmon and Kirby were doing my head in this afternoon, I switched over to ITV4 for about 30 seconds. Dave and Carlton sounded superb after that!


Hehe nice one.....with German TV it's the same **** going on.
ZDF had one proper commentator (Co-commentator was horrible), but this year it's only Eurosport covering the race.
 
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Kender said:
The thing i can't stand the most is when 1 says something, then the other repeats it almost word for word as their own comment to the one who said it first (they both do it to each other). then 20 mins later, they repeat the exact same comments. I often find myself yelling at the TV

Since they commentate for multiple channels / countries, I have always assumed that they have 3 or 4 different coloured microphones in front of them, a different one for each coverage. They then rotate through the microphones providing commentary, trying to be a bit specific for each market (ie pro aussie for Australian TV, pro yank for US TV).

I would assume that this is why they repeat themselves over and over and over, because they cant remember if they have made a particular comment for a particular audience yet. This would also explain why they repeat each others comments, they probably hear the other person say a comment, think to themselves, thats a good point, i'll use that myself, then they pick up another microphone and repeat it, not realising its the same coverage the other was just talking on!

I would love to know if this is how they operate, or if they are just useless :D
 
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The Joker said:
Since they commentate for multiple channels / countries, I have always assumed that they have 3 or 4 different coloured microphones in front of them, a different one for each coverage. They then rotate through the microphones providing commentary, trying to be a bit specific for each market (ie pro aussie for Australian TV, pro yank for US TV).

I would assume that this is why they repeat themselves over and over and over, because they cant remember if they have made a particular comment for a particular audience yet. This would also explain why they repeat each others comments, they probably hear the other person say a comment, think to themselves, thats a good point, i'll use that myself, then they pick up another microphone and repeat it, not realising its the same coverage the other was just talking on!

I would love to know if this is how they operate, or if they are just useless :D

From my knowledge they are contracted to NBC Sports but SBS, ITV and Super Sports form South Africa also take their coverage. I believe they are just queued in by the producer when a certain coverage goes to commercials ie. NBC sports has alot of commercials, compared to Aussie coverage. And one of them will be designated to intro and outro each coverage to and from commercials. And they are basically able to switch their mic off from certain coverages, which is why you sometimes here Phil or Paul repeat what the other one said like 30 secs ago because one one coverage hasn't had the benfit of hearing that yet.
 
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They actually have two separate feeds for the United States, one for the web (commercial-free), and one for the television (with, of course, commercials).
 
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Classic P&P indeed.

@SetonHallPirate - is that web feed available anywhere? I seem to remember there was an audio feed a few years back.
 
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Today some of the rubbish I picked out of the can

Paul "We are at the racing part of the course" and later "Greipel is going potty"

Phil "Sitting Cows is a sign of rain" WTF