Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[sniper]

According to THIS story, Fuentes is currently writing a tell-all book, revealing all details about his more than 200 clients.
Could be detrimental to his health, but that book would be the Clinic-lurkers wet dream!

too bad he's not giving the names now under oath. would obviously have had more impact. anybody named in that book will call Fuentes a spinning, vindicative, senile liar and go on with business as usual.
If FC Barca or Real Madrid players are named in the pre-print version of the book, they'll have the cash and power to either prevent publication or get their names wiped out.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

too bad he's not giving the names now under oath. would obviously have had more impact. anybody named in that book will call Fuentes a spinning, vindicative, senile liar and go on with business as usual.

yep, that will be the response.

Still, its another ticking bomb just waiting to go off.

Rasmussen's book is said to hit the street later this year.

And then we have JB. Irrelevant information now or?

 

[Frosty]

Thought he had received lots of death threats? Seems a dangerous thing to do if so.

 

[hektoren]

too bad he's not giving the names now under oath. would obviously have had more impact. anybody named in that book will call Fuentes a spinning, vindicative, senile liar and go on with business as usual.
If FC Barca or Real Madrid players are named in the pre-print version of the book, they'll have the cash and power to either prevent publication or get their names wiped out.

Granted, there'll be name-calling and attempts at pulling the wool over our eyes. Stopping publication would take a court order, and if he tells the truth, and can back it up with bags of blood/DNA-tests? He'll have a field day in court and could laugh all the way to the bank.

 

[arjanh]

too bad he's not giving the names now under oath. would obviously have had more impact. anybody named in that book will call Fuentes a spinning, vindicative, senile liar and go on with business as usual.

Like with Landis' and later Hamilton's confession/book, it depends on the details. The more details, the more credibility. And I don't think the burden of proof for a book is somewhat less than a statement under oath (let alone that it appears the judge won't allow him to make such a statement).

 

[Benotti69]

An update

MADRID -- The lawyer representing the Spanish state said there was a way for evidence contained in blood bags seized during the Operation Puerto police investigation to be shared with anti-doping authorities without breaking rules aimed at protecting a crime scene once the trial is over.

"The complete blood bags shouldn't be handed over because they are part of a crime, but yes, samples of them could be given and then later the evidence could be destroyed," lawyer Lucia Pedrero told the court on Friday.

The ultimate decision rests solely with judge Julia Santamaria, who has said she will announce her decision after the trial ends on April 2.

The World Anti-Doping Agency has already asked the court to release the more than 200 blood bags found by police raids on

an alleged blood-doping ring in 2006. Spain's anti-doping watchdog has said it will do so as well when the trial is over.

More here

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=9056522&src=desktop&wjb

We live in hope and hope half the peloton lives in fear.

 

[Descender]

yep, that will be the response.

Still, its another ticking bomb just waiting to go off.

Rasmussen's book is said to hit the street later this year.

And then we have JB. Irrelevant information now or?

Are you by any chance German?



I'm not really believing all these book rumours. Seems too crazy and too good to be true. All this secretism on Fuentes's part all these years and all of a sudden he's going to tell it all? Don't know, I'm not buying it.

 

[ElChingon]

An update

More here

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=9056522&src=desktop&wjb

We live in hope and hope half the peloton lives in fear.

Funny thing is, only the peloton will have some fear but all other sports will just sit by in the lounge chair at the pool. By the current timeline it will be 2099 before any blood bad is actually opened to be tested.

Then, even if tested I'm sure only a small percentage of those bags will be tested or even exist by the time any tester gets to see them. Would be better to test the sewers in the vicinity.

 

[hrotha]

Fuentes won't tell anything important. He has power because of what he's not saying. He might cash in with an empty book though.

 

[Benotti69]

Funny thing is, only the peloton will have some fear but all other sports will just sit by in the lounge chair at the pool. By the current timeline it will be 2099 before any blood bad is actually opened to be tested.

Then, even if tested I'm sure only a small percentage of those bags will be tested or even exist by the time any tester gets to see them. Would be better to test the sewers in the vicinity.

Yes, Football will remain untouched.

This is crying out for someone to steal the BBs and hand them over to the German journalist who blew the lid on Contador.

That would be a lot xmas's come together.

 

[_nm___]

does anybody know why it is like that, though? why is cycling the one scapegoat sport for doping?

 

[Benotti69]

does anybody know why it is like that, though? why is cycling the one scapegoat sport for doping?

in the modern day, it is money.

In the past, I am not sure. Vested interests I suppose would try to make sure others got caught for their cheating (doping) in order for themselves to benefit.

Not always, Gino Bartali used to sneak into Coppi's room to check what dope he was using for the race. Bartali apparently rode on bread and water.

I suppose cycling was at the forefront on using dope in the history of sport by the nature of its toughness and the length of races. Other sports required a skill set, whereas cycling less so and more stamina and physical ability.

 

[Granville57]

does anybody know why it is like that, though? why is cycling the one scapegoat sport for doping?

That's a recurring, valid, and good question. I believe that, at least part of it, is due to the proximity of fans and media to the athletes. When you can literally "reach out and touch" the athletes, I think that creates an increased sense of "closeness" to what is actually going on. It's easier to hide when the sport itself takes place in a stadium, and athletes, coaches and trainers are able to escape to their respective locker rooms immediately after a game (not to mention during halftime, rain delays, etc).

In what other sport is a downed athlete helped back up by the fans? Things like that tend to reinforce the sense of connection between fan and athlete (at least in the mind of many fans), and likely add to the fan feeling more "entitled" to know just what the hell is going on behind the scenes.

Add to that the fact that anyone can get on a bike and ride most of the exact same roads that the pros do. That also creates a deeper and more intimate connection to the sport, and may contribute to the sense of betrayal that accompanies most doping accusations. Most other sports are far more out of reach to the average fan (at least as it occurs at the elite level). If an olympic weight lifter gets caught doping, who really cares? Also, cycling has lost its Nationalism when compared with the past. In many other sports, Nationalism is one or the primary reasons for the blinders being held firmly in place when it comes to doping.

Just part of my theory.

 

[_nm___]

very interesting anwers (on why (road) cycling is the one scapegoat sport for doping). thanks

one thing that now perpetuates this situation, of course, is that (road) cyclists seem to be prolific authors of confession books, much more so than athletes from other sports

 

[arjanh]

does anybody know why it is like that, though? why is cycling the one scapegoat sport for doping?

It's a peasant's sport. Just look at who raced 100 years ago - not a single person of some (social) standing. Nor would anyone with some standing organize a race. And with no friends in high places, you're the fall guy.

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Most of all, though, it's because there isn't even a fraction of the dough in Cycling compared to other big, international sports.

And you better not disrupt the cash flow by putting the silly thought in peoples heads that the performances in stadiums and/or racetracks around the globe might just be enhanced.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Most of all, though, it's because there isn't even a fraction of the dough in Cycling compared to other big, international sports.

It's this and the behaviour of the sport's overlord Verbruggen. Tennis probably makes way more money than cycling and those back-to-back performances are alien.

How many other sports have a leader who spend years protecting a doped rider including the infamous "never ever ever" quote then declares he had suspicions all along and that's all normal. Let's ignore the fact Hein has money managed by one of the sport's team owners too. Nothing wrong there. That kind of stuff keeps cycling's credibility largely null and void.

Based on his senior roles inside the IOC, they seem to accept cycling as the sport that takes the abuse so that sports that make more money for the IOC like Track and Field can look better. Interpreting the IOC's actions is quite a bit like Kremlinology though.

 

[del1962]

More info on blood bags

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-all-operacion-puerto-blood-bags-located

Still no indication as to whether WADA can get hold of them after trial

 

[Oreknan]

here is the list from elpais, also says that "César" is a 2005 liberty seguros rider

link: http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/03/19/actualidad/1363722651_606904.html

 

[del1962]

here is the list from elpais, also says that "César" is a 2005 liberty seguros rider

link: http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/03/19/actualidad/1363722651_606904.html

I thought Luigi wasn't Dekker

 

[zigmeister]

What's this part in the story?

"In this sense, Luxembourg's Frank Schleck recognized at the time a payment of several thousand at Fuentes."

Did I miss this in the F. Schleck thread? So no blood bags, maybe one of the ?? are his, but they traced/proven money given to him from F. Schleck?

Basso claimed he never did any transfusions, extracted out. Somewhat believable I suppose. You can't prove otherwise that they actually transfused the blood back right?!?! Easy way out and response. Or maybe he used his other 10..haha..

 

[ElChingon]

What's this part in the story?

"In this sense, Luxembourg's Frank Schleck recognized at the time a payment of several thousand at Fuentes."

Did I miss this in the F. Schleck thread? So no blood bags, maybe one of the ?? are his, but they traced/proven money given to him from F. Schleck?

Basso claimed he never did any transfusions, extracted out. Somewhat believable I suppose. You can't prove otherwise that they actually transfused the blood back right?!?! Easy way out and response. Or maybe he used his other 10..haha..

Number 25 is Frank.

 

[del1962]

Number 25 is Frank.

Amigo di Birillo? DNA test possible?

 

[zigmeister]

Amigo di Birillo? DNA test possible?

This is what I want to know. Maybe the identity is pending the blood bags being handed over to the WADA so they can test...but apparently, that is an issue.

We need the testing done. Since most of these guys we have DNA, passport data on the past several years. Easy matchup to find possibly??

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Number 25 is Frank.

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