Podium 2012 tour result if Alberto Contador and Andy Schleck competed?

[Zam_Olyas]

What if ricco was competing?

 

[barmaher]

I was as frustrated as anybody when Froome wasn't let pedal on in the two big MTF's this year.

But Froome lost 3.25 or so in the three ITT's and the mechanical in the first weekend. In my view, anybody that thinks that Froome would have been able to put that time into Wiggo in those two stages (say to chase down Alberto or Andy) is delusional.

I agree it is a silly question, but most of the forum is silly. I think Contador would have come been very close to Wiggins in the Tour. He would probably have lost 30s to Cance in the 1st ITT...that makes it 90s to Wiggo. Add in another 2 minutes in the second ITT, and I make it that Contador would have had to put 3'30" into the Sky train. Very difficult, but if he was on Giro '11 form, he would have probably done it. But I am not sure.

 

[Snafu352]

If Charly Gaul was riding Bertie would be nowhere, wait that's a pointless comment...just like this thread.

 

[burning]

What was AC's final placing in that Giro?

DSQ or 1, depending on how you look at it I guess

 

[HCl+HN03]

Well the main point (And I guess it is logical) for pro-Contador users is Contador Nibali in Giro 2011 but Wiggo-Froome barely dropped him in the mountains, which shows the difference between Sky and Contador

Wiggins humiliated Nibali in the Time Trials, but Contador barely beat him.

Loók at the final standings instead.
Giro 2011
Contador
Nibali + 6.56

Tour 2012
Wiggins
Nibali + 6.13

 

[burning]

Wiggins humiliated Nibali in the Time Trials, but Contador barely beat him.

Loók at the final standings instead.
Giro 2011
Contador
Nibali + 6.56

Tour 2012
Wiggins
Nibali + 6.13

They are very different courses and in Giro Contador won a MTT and could have won last ITT but he decided to celebrate in final km

 

[personal]

Wiggins humiliated Nibali in the Time Trials, but Contador barely beat him.

Loók at the final standings instead.
Giro 2011
Contador
Nibali + 6.56

Tour 2012
Wiggins
Nibali + 6.13

Contador stopped riding after Etna and was giving away stages like candy.
He could make it over 10 min easy.

 

[will10]

Well the main point (And I guess it is logical) for pro-Contador users is Contador humiliated Nibali in Giro 2011 but Wiggo-Froome barely dropped him in the mountains, which shows the difference between Sky and Contador

I must've missed Etna, Grossglockner or Finestre on this year's Tour route.

 

[burning]

I must've missed Etna, Grossglockner or Finestre on this year's Tour route.

Even Verbier is enough to him to put big times against everyone when he's on form

 

[Pantani_lives]

WHAT IF Wiggins and VDB2 hadn't crashed out last year?
WHAT IF Wiggins had chosen the road when he was twenty?
WHAT IF Michael Phelps were a cyclist?
WHAT IF Jan Ullrich had the personality of Jens Voigt?
WHAT IF Ocaña hadn't crashed in 1972?
WHAT IF my aunt had a d***? (She would have been my uncle.)

 

[LaFlorecita]

I was as frustrated as anybody when Froome wasn't let pedal on in the two big MTF's this year.

But Froome lost 3.25 or so in the three ITT's and the mechanical in the first weekend. In my view, anybody that thinks that Froome would have been able to put that time into Wiggo in those two stages (say to chase down Alberto or Andy) is delusional.

I agree it is a silly question, but most of the forum is silly. I think Contador would have come been very close to Wiggins in the Tour. He would probably have lost 30s to Cance in the 1st ITT...that makes it 90s to Wiggo. Add in another 2 minutes in the second ITT, and I make it that Contador would have had to put 3'30" into the Sky train. Very difficult, but if he was on Giro '11 form, he would have probably done it. But I am not sure.

I believe Alberto would've lost 2'30" in total (a few seconds in prologue, ~ 1 min in first TT ~ 1'30" in the second.)

 

[babastooey]

What if Ullrich and Hinault had ridden?

Considering that Hinault is 57 and hasn't really raced competitively since 1986, I would say that he would have at least come in ahead of Leipheimer.

 

[barmaher]

I believe Alberto would've lost 2'30" in total (a few seconds in prologue, ~ 1 min in first TT ~ 1'30" in the second.)

You rate Alberto higher in ITT than I do.

Even if he managed to be withing 2'30" in the ITT's, that is a hard amount to make up in the mountains. Like I say, he probably would have. But I am not so sure.

 

[Kellys Big Sprocket]

I feel Contador or Schleck would have cracked Froome, the stabalizing force in Wiggin's armor. This would of exposed Wiggins and caused him to crack and lose minutes to Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador.

Not bothered about Contador nor Schleck. Super Brad would have kicked their butts all they way through the last three weeks. We all know that However if they where in this epic Le Tour I'd feel that it would have been like the Hinault/Lemond partnership in the 85 Tour, Froome playing the role of Greg.

 

[Bavarianrider]

No way Friigin Andy Schleck would have podiumed

 

[Armanius]

I think Wiggins (or perhaps Froome) would have still won in 2012, even with the presence of Contador and Andy Schleck. Too many ITT km's and not enough mountains. Contador obviously has a better chance than AS, but he is still no Wiggins when it comes to ITT.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think Wiggins and/or Froome would have still won in 2012, even with the presence of Contador and Andy Schleck. Too many ITT km's and not enough mountains. Contador obviously has a better chance than AS, but he is still no Wiggins when it comes to ITT.

And Wiggins is no Contador when it comes to climbing.

 

[UpTheRoad]

And Wiggins is no Contador when it comes to climbing.

Wiggins isn't even in the same class as Contador when it comes to leadouts. AC even leads out riders from other teams.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

1. Wiggins
2. Froome + 3.21
3. Contador + 6.18

 

[Kellys Big Sprocket]

1. Wiggins
2. Froome + 3.21
3. Contador + 6.18

FoxxyBrown1111. You are being very diplomatic with your time gaps, but I like them. Is that for final general classification or after first TT ?

 

[Nilsson]

I think Wiggins (or perhaps Froome) would have still won in 2012, even with the presence of Contador and Andy Schleck. Too many ITT km's and not enough mountains. Contador obviously has a better chance than AS, but he is still no Wiggins when it comes to ITT.

Don't underestimate Contador when it comes to TT...



Rider 1: Rider 2:
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 8 - 5 WIGGINS Bradley

Nbr Race date Race Rider 1 Rider 2
1 23/07/2009 Tour de France, Stage 18 : Annecy I.T.T. 1. 6.
2 7/07/2009 Tour de France, Stage 4 : Montpellier T.T.T. 1. 2.
3 4/07/2009 Tour de France, Stage 1 : Monaco I.T.T. 2. 3.
4 8/03/2009 Paris - Nice, Stage 1 : Amilly I.T.T. 1. 2.
5 1/06/2008 Giro d'Italia, Stage 21 : Cesano Maderno - Milano I.T.T. 11. 4.
6 26/05/2008 Giro d'Italia, Stage 16 : San Vigilio di Marebbe - Plan de Corones I.T.T. 4. 99.
7 20/05/2008 Giro d'Italia, Stage 10 : Pesaro - Urbino I.T.T. 2. 157.
8 10/05/2008 Giro d'Italia, Stage 1 : Palermo T.T.T. 7. 3.
9 21/07/2007 Tour de France, Stage 13 : Albi I.T.T. 6. 4.
10 7/07/2007 Tour de France, Prologue : London (GBr) I.T.T. 15. 4.
11 13/06/2007 Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, Stage 3 : Anneyron I.T.T. 35. 44.
12 10/06/2007 Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, Prologue : Grenoble I.T.T. 18. 1.
13 5/03/2006 Paris - Nice, Prologue : Issy-les-Moulineaux I.T.T. 4. 7.

The TTT's should be deleted of course, so it would be 7-4 for Contador.

Very interesting to see that a Contador intrinsically (from the start) can match Wiggins, who is a pure TT'er and track specialist (especially in the early years), in all kinds of time trials.

 

[jilbiker]

Wiggins
Froome
Contador

As I see people like to underrate Sky. Hilarious that the same guys accuse them of doping. But Contador would allegedly have beat them. Fabulous. One should optimize its logical line that it would look more plausible.

We seem to forget Portier and Rogers. It would be Contador vs 4 of them (Wiggins and Froome too). These domestiques were super, raising the speed on mtns to abnormal wattage rates to maintain pace. It would have been tough for AC. I will highly advise AC and Saxo to get some super mtn domestiques for the future. Looks like teams will copy Sky....and we are back to the US Postal strategy.

 

[Kwibus]

We seem to forget Portier and Rogers. It would be Contador vs 4 of them (Wiggins and Froome too). These domestiques were super, raising the speed on mtns to abnormal wattage rates to maintain pace. It would have been tough for AC. I will highly advise AC and Saxo to get some super mtn domestiques for the future. Looks like teams will copy Sky....and we are back to the US Postal strategy.

This Tour lacked a climber who could jump away and stay away. Like Schleck or Contador can. This would force Wiggins or Froome to either lose a lot of time following Porte and Rogers or they had to leave them behind.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

1 Contador
2 Wiggins +1.30
3 Froome +4.30
4 A Schleck +6.00

 

[jilbiker]

Not bothered about Contador nor Schleck. Super Brad would have kicked their butts all they way through the last three weeks. We all know that However if they where in this epic Le Tour I'd feel that it would have been like the Hinault/Lemond partnership in the 85 Tour, Froome playing the role of Greg.

We seem to forget that this was a soft tour wrt mtns. 3 mtn top finishes and burying tough mtns in the middle of nowhere. I really think AS and AC may have been nullified in this tour. Good thing they both missed it now we can say what if. Prudhomme had better shape up next year.