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theyoungest said:Purito tweeted this picture.
thats innapropriate and hilarious
well done jrod
Voted number 2.
Personally I find the podiumgirls an unneccecary distraction. I'm a man with bad attention control, and those girls get me thinking about other things than cycling when I see them.
I would rather think about cycling when I'm watching cycling.
As for the question of culture, feminism, etc. The podium girls seem like a relic of the past. Wouldn't be surprised if they limited the appeal regarding sponsors as well.
As for Sagan, he is from Eastern Europe, and is brought up in an Italian cycling context. But cycling has a bigger audience, so he has to limit his impulses.
Personally I find the podiumgirls an unneccecary distraction. I'm a man with bad attention control, and those girls get me thinking about other things than cycling when I see them.
I would rather think about cycling when I'm watching cycling.
As for the question of culture, feminism, etc. The podium girls seem like a relic of the past. Wouldn't be surprised if they limited the appeal regarding sponsors as well.
As for Sagan, he is from Eastern Europe, and is brought up in an Italian cycling context. But cycling has a bigger audience, so he has to limit his impulses.
Next on Fox Movies:....Peter S., Portrait of an *** Grabber...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpMrO9fQeJY
Seriously though, bit of a dope and needs to grow up a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpMrO9fQeJY
Seriously though, bit of a dope and needs to grow up a bit.
hrotha said:
Same here. I'm pretty shocked that so many don't see a problem with it. Are the cultural divides that vast?
RHRH19861986 said:Shocked so many people here on board dislike what Sagan did. As I said, till now, I thought us Germans were the only ones being such puritans...
It almost forces me to create a new poll:
What did Sagan say to the lady while touching her a**?
- Let´s meet this evening, I can do it to you while doing a wheelie at 40 kph!
- I´d prefer to ride your wheels even over riding my Cannondale!
- I won´t ride Roubaix just to not harm my erection power, just for you!
He didn't even have the nerve to do it while her attention was on him. He did it sneakily while she was occupied with Cancellara. I've got a poll for you:
If the podium girl had reacted by slapping Sagan would she have been in the wrong to do so?
-Yes
-No
auscyclefan94 said:LOL, I was kidding.
If you want to read hysteria on this issue, please read the twitter feed of Jane Aubrey. A typical, hysterical feminist reaction. I could just imagine the uproar if this happened in Australia with all the Women's Lib groups going absolutely bananas.
I can recall a few misogynistic posts among your 10k+ tally so your belief that this is overblown is not surprising. What is pleasantly surprising to me is that you actually saw anything wrong with what Sagan did. Thumbs up at least for that.
Angliru said:
Or perhaps a poll of what body parts are acceptable to grab or pinch on the podium?
Sagan re-defines butthead.
Classless move by someone who is used to being in the spotlight, which means that he deserves whatever criticism he finds. Moreover, it is particularly poor form in the greater context of the controversies surrounding cycling.
Dave.
Classless move by someone who is used to being in the spotlight, which means that he deserves whatever criticism he finds. Moreover, it is particularly poor form in the greater context of the controversies surrounding cycling.
Dave.
bissib said:
Was she really in a position to react in any way other than to smile and laugh it off? If she in fact did later file a complaint would that have any bearing on your opinion since you seem to believe that "she didn't seem to mind? I think you are confusing the European tradition of kissing one another on the cheek as that being an invitation to grope indiscriminantly without fear of the consequences.
According to you, podium girls are to be disrespected and violated because of the jobs that they've chosen. If all the riders felt the way that you and Sagan feel there would certainly be a helluva alot more of what happened going on.
Sagan showed either a major lapse in decision-making, or a complete lack of class as a person. Either way, it's embarrassing.
That said, if women do not want to be objectified, they should cease to accept jobs where they are paid for their role as "eye-candy". The podium girl in question definitely did not deserve to be groped by a crude dude, but she does short-sell women in general by accepting such a job.
I have always thought it was strange that a woman dressed-to-impress and kissing a total stranger (often a married man) is a way to celebrate a victory in such a prestigious sporting event. Double-cheek-kiss podium photos are always stupid looking, cliche', and just goofy IMO.
That said, if women do not want to be objectified, they should cease to accept jobs where they are paid for their role as "eye-candy". The podium girl in question definitely did not deserve to be groped by a crude dude, but she does short-sell women in general by accepting such a job.
I have always thought it was strange that a woman dressed-to-impress and kissing a total stranger (often a married man) is a way to celebrate a victory in such a prestigious sporting event. Double-cheek-kiss podium photos are always stupid looking, cliche', and just goofy IMO.
Angliru said:
We've seen posters from pretty much everywhere in the world defending Sagan on this.
Class won the race, crass won the headlines.
I can guarantee anyone with a daughter thought his behaviour was disgusting, everyone should have. What's more disgusting is people defending it and implying the lady should either expect or enjoy it. People are really showing their true colours in this thread and many of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I can guarantee anyone with a daughter thought his behaviour was disgusting, everyone should have. What's more disgusting is people defending it and implying the lady should either expect or enjoy it. People are really showing their true colours in this thread and many of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Angliru said:
SafeBet said:
Its not about Cultural Divides but knowing there are situational occurrences of events which might be used outside its normal context to conjure up a laugh, be shocking, be flirtatious, or many other things. Again, the girl just stood there and then prolonged her podium kiss and laughed at the event.
Why are people not equally appalled at her prolonged kiss with Fabian? Anyone who's married knows well what will happen if something like that looks odd such as a prolonged kiss and in front of the wife will end up with Fabian in hot water. Or are the wives expected to put up with that? And its OK no problem?
King Boonen said:
Any male with a daughter is bound to be disgusted, just look at the reference point
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