Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fair?

[Jagartrott]

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yeah sure
UCI representatives (probably italians) acting on directives from race organizers

Of course not. The jury is international.

 

[Miburo]

Everyone thinks it sucks, no one disputes that. Except prob ryo.

It's just sad that some sky fans directly have to aim their guns at Contador. What about the other riders putting off their helmet? Yea contador is the first.

What about froome taking a puff during dauphine? Was that legal according to the rule?

Class really isn't for sky fans.

 

[Publicus]

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Now jury (Italians) just need to find a way to get rid of Contador. They thought the shoulder issue would put him out, but it seems they will have to find another way to hand the victory to Aru. They have probably infected Uran as well.

On a more serious note. I am not a fan of Porte, or Sky for that matter and I do believe that made life easier for Contador, but penalizing a rider like that is just stupid, and it takes all fun out of the race. I would be pissed.

12.1.040
3.3. Rider taking off the mandatory helmet disqualified and 100 disqualified and 50

Here is a way to get rid of Contador but not all rules apparently need to be enforced.
Oh well, rest of Giro will be a shitstorm. Can't see Sky not reacting to this

That rule is for taking off and discarding helmets (like riders use to do on the final climb back in the day). Taking your helmet off (presumably to adjust it) isn't rule violation.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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wow shitty italians were fast, everything to help Aru
what a joke of a race

This was done by the UCI buddy, not the Giro organizers. Nice job with trying to start a conspiracy though

That said, the giro organisers decided to withdraw the convoy as soon as Porte punctured. Would that have happened if Aru had been in exactly the same situation?

What do you mean, there were cars between Porte and the peloton the whole time and he got a lot of drafting from them

Never mind then, source must have been wrong

 

[Publicus]

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And it should be Clarke who gets penalised, not Porte.

I thought that too, but the language of the rule says that it applies to EACH RIDER CONCERNED.

 

[MatParker117]

So Richie's now a leadout man.

 

[damian13ster]

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Now jury (Italians) just need to find a way to get rid of Contador. They thought the shoulder issue would put him out, but it seems they will have to find another way to hand the victory to Aru. They have probably infected Uran as well.

On a more serious note. I am not a fan of Porte, or Sky for that matter and I do believe that made life easier for Contador, but penalizing a rider like that is just stupid, and it takes all fun out of the race. I would be pissed.

12.1.040
3.3. Rider taking off the mandatory helmet disqualified and 100 disqualified and 50

Here is a way to get rid of Contador but not all rules apparently need to be enforced.
Oh well, rest of Giro will be a shitstorm. Can't see Sky not reacting to this

That rule is for taking off and discarding helmets (like riders use to do on the final climb back in the day). Taking your helmet off (presumably to adjust it) isn't rule violation.

This is direct quote from the rulebook. Only other mention of word 'helmet' in it is saying that if rider doesn't have one on the start he isn't allowed to race.
Do you have anything to support your statement?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone to be DSQ'd for that. It would be stupid, but it shows that even when something is written in black-and-white it doesn't necessarily have to be applied, so the 2' penalty could (should) have been avoided

 

[mb2612]

Just to confirm, cq has footnoted the punishment that happened to Sicard:
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=15295

He took a bike from a fellow French rider after puncturing on the final stage, but because that rider was Riding for France B, and Sicard was on France A he got punished.

 

[SkyTears]

i'm curious who is in the race jury, names exactly

 

[hrotha]

I for one am glad that this nationalistic BS isn't allowed. Cycling is a team sport. As in, your commercial team, not the team of your countrymen or your buddies.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

so Little Ritchie will now have to step out of the wheelsucker role and get something going. Could be good for the race.

 

[Velolover2]

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So Richie's now a leadout man.

Well, König wanted to be in top 5. Maybe he can help him.

 

[hrotha]

I mean, it's in the rules, there's a clear precedent, and people are somehow complaining that it's unfair or that the Italians are out to get an Italian winner? Get a grip.

 

[Fernandez]

So sorry for Richie, but if he really is in a great shape, it will be really entertaining to see him fighting for recovery.

 

[meat puppet]

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I for one am glad that this nationalistic BS isn't allowed. Cycling is a team sport. As in, your commercial team, not the team of your countrymen or your buddies.

Exactly. In this case however it is a bummer that this affects gc so much.

 

[mrhender]

In my opinion It's a tough call..

And I do feel somewhat sad for Porte and the race...

But who really screwed this up was not the rules, but SKY who totally failed their captain who had a bid for the overall win.

Secondly, if the riders are not aware of the rules they should prolly use some time to learn them..

Remember when Porte went down the car to get supplies for Froome.. That was a calculated risk.. Who knows if this is the same...

If this had happened in the last stage, and Porte had won because if it then what should the verdict be?

 

[DBotero]

Re: Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fai

*** really,but they have rules.The problem is that they apply them only when they want to.Well,it's game over for Richie,with this"bonus"he got,it's time to focus on the last podium spot.

 

[Publicus]

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Now jury (Italians) just need to find a way to get rid of Contador. They thought the shoulder issue would put him out, but it seems they will have to find another way to hand the victory to Aru. They have probably infected Uran as well.

On a more serious note. I am not a fan of Porte, or Sky for that matter and I do believe that made life easier for Contador, but penalizing a rider like that is just stupid, and it takes all fun out of the race. I would be pissed.

12.1.040
3.3. Rider taking off the mandatory helmet disqualified and 100 disqualified and 50

Here is a way to get rid of Contador but not all rules apparently need to be enforced.
Oh well, rest of Giro will be a shitstorm. Can't see Sky not reacting to this

That rule is for taking off and discarding helmets (like riders use to do on the final climb back in the day). Taking your helmet off (presumably to adjust it) isn't rule violation.

This is direct quote from the rulebook. Only other mention of word 'helmet' in it is saying that if rider doesn't have one on the start he isn't allowed to race.
Do you have anything to support your statement?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone to be DSQ'd for that. It would be stupid, but it shows that even when something is written in black-and-white it doesn't necessarily have to be applied, so the 2' penalty could (should) have been avoided

i don't. Frankly I shouldn't have applied the first time it was raised, as it is irrelevant to the situation at hand.

 

[SeriousSam]

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I for one am glad that this nationalistic BS isn't allowed. Cycling is a team sport. As in, your commercial team, not the team of your countrymen or your buddies.

That's a fair point. The rule serves a function.

It's still unfortunate because it kills the race.

 

[sir fly]

47 seconds has already been enough to sedate the race. 2 minutes are euthanasia.
I'm sure Italians have encouraged UCI to apply the rule. Maybe they'll reanimate the race in next days by finding a rule for Contador.
But, even without the reanimation this can turn out into an entertaining race... Sky needs to open up, and Astana has the numbers to assist.
Even though Tinkoff seems to be in charge with Contador, at the same time it's their handicap riding exclusively for him.

 

[Carols]

Holy Crap and here I thought it was so nice for Clarke to help him out. UCI going Hardcore on this one. Could it have been worse? Another 2' because Matthews helped him also?

 

[GuyIncognito]

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I for one am glad that this nationalistic BS isn't allowed. Cycling is a team sport. As in, your commercial team, not the team of your countrymen or your buddies.

Damn right. I'm glad they followed the rules. If an italian helped Aru in the same manner, the same people who are complaining now, would be outraged.

I mean, it's in the rules, there's a clear precedent, and people are somehow complaining that it's unfair or that the Italians are out to get an Italian winner? Get a grip.

Especially considering there can't be any italians in the jury because this race is in italy, and the organizers can't do anything about the race jury's decision.

But those are facts, and people here don't like facts, they just like to get angry

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Look, collusion happens. A lot. People make alliances in races, and friendships are forged by riders across teams. Tiralongo and Contador is only one example. Something like this is one of the only ways they're actively able to enforce limitations on it. After all, Tiralongo could argue (implausibly) that he would beat Contador in a sprint and the break needed extra legs, therefore it's in his interest to carry him to the front and work together. Unrealistic, sure, but feasible.

If back then Contador had punctured, Tira had given up his wheel and Contador had rode off into the sunset... how many of you would have been irate if Alberto HADN'T been given the two minutes? Part of it is that this was an expected GC-irrelevant stage, so it doesn't seem like anything major has happened and it's just a nice gesture from Clarke rather than any real collusion. But the rule is there to prevent this kind of assistance affecting the GC. Ironically, the subsequent application of the rule has affected the GC more than the assistance did.

 

[Publicus]

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Look, collusion happens. A lot. People make alliances in races, and friendships are forged by riders across teams. Tiralongo and Contador is only one example. Something like this is one of the only ways they're actively able to enforce limitations on it. After all, Tiralongo could argue (implausibly) that he would beat Contador in a sprint and the break needed extra legs, therefore it's in his interest to carry him to the front and work together. Unrealistic, sure, but feasible.

If back then Contador had punctured, Tira had given up his wheel and Contador had rode off into the sunset... how many of you would have been irate if Alberto HADN'T been given the two minutes? Part of it is that this was an expected GC-irrelevant stage, so it doesn't seem like anything major has happened and it's just a nice gesture from Clarke rather than any real collusion. But the rule is there to prevent this kind of assistance affecting the GC. Ironically, the subsequent application of the rule has affected the GC more than the assistance did.

Very good points. Thanks LS

 

[Volderke]

When it's in the rules, I don't understand Porte didn't have a team mate ready with a wheel? He had 4 team mates to do the chase, so where were those?

About the jury: they are TOTALLY independent of the Giro, so let the nonsense stop just because you get emotional.