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runninboy said:
As a medical professional you should recognize that Tom is just treating his ADD/ADHD
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The Overcoming DVD suggests that Jens Voigt took up bike riding to overcome his ADD/ADHD. Just a thought.

Whatever the real situation with Tom, I just hope he gets it sorted. We need him and Robbie back on form to give Cav a run for his money ...
 
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runninboy said:
As a medical professional you should recognize that Tom is just treating his ADD/ADHD


"First it is important to realize that all of the stimulant drugs prescribed for ADHD/ADD are closely related to some illegal street drugs. These include dextroamphetamine (dexedrine) (street name: "dexies"), methamphetamine (street name: "crystal meth"), and, of course, cocaine. "

Ther are many and varied drugs to treat ADD/ADHD. Yes they are mostly based on stimulants but taken under proper medical and psychological prescribing guidelines, you WILL NOT FIND ONE GUIDELINE or DOCTOR that will recommend turning a crushed up pill into powder and insufflating it(snorting it up ya nose). Runnin boy, your comments sound like the comments I hear from 'in the know' meth /speed junkies looking for anything to get a buzz.
Also, all ADD/ADHD drugs are prescribed to be taken once a day to keep/ maintain constant levels of the medication in the blood and reducing the symptoms suffered by real ADHD patients.

Funny how Tom only takes his medication on certain nights off where he has 24-48 hrs for it leave his system and stay undetectable. They caught him out 3 TIMES....how many times has he actuaally gotten away with it???

And if you want to "quote" sources to support your argument then please let us see the whole reference so we can look it up...maybe you're right, BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT IT MATE>
 
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richwagmn said:
Got it. Thanks for the info.

Again, I don't know his situation but I hope he's getting whatever help he needs. Be a shame to lose him from the peloton.

Richwagmn...you are more than welcome for the info and I appreciate your enquiring mind. Lets all hope that Tom blows through this issue like he smashes those cobbles in Paris Roubaix...he has the strong mindset and determination to achieve anything he puts his mind too....Good luck Tom

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Ther are many and varied drugs to treat ADD/ADHD. Yes they are mostly based on stimulants but taken under proper medical and psychological prescribing guidelines, you WILL NOT FIND ONE GUIDELINE or DOCTOR that will recommend turning a crushed up pill into powder and insufflating it(snorting it up ya nose). Runnin boy, your comments sound like the comments I hear from 'in the know' meth /speed junkies looking for anything to get a buzz.


And if you want to "quote" sources to support your argument then please let us see the whole reference so we can look it up...maybe you're right, BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT IT MATE>

Wow, u caught me! I am major coke head, meth addict and i shoot heroin whenever possible. When i run out of money i head out on the farm and shove my head up our cows buttt so i can get high on methane( see the r u a vegetarian thread for info):eek: I had no idea i was so transparent.
For the record i dont even take prescription drugs, I recently had a pretty complicated knee surgery and refused the pain block & pain med. which made the doctor kind of suspect. I explained my pain tolerance is very high, and so i will end up throwing away the pain pills eventually.
I am sure you believe i am making all this crap up which is fine, i mean addicts do that don't they ?:D
I know you are from Australia so this is probably hard to believe but i have never had a hangover either:p Probably because alcohol, like drugs does not excite me in the least.
You see i grew up with two sisters who were very ill, when i was 5 my parents took me to the hospital to say goodbye to one because the doctors had done everything they could for her. At a very young age i learned drugs were only for people who were sick, i was blessed to be healthy so i would never want to take drugs. Never gotten high, does not interest me in the slightest.
I also know that there are alot of people who self medicate. U might look at them as self destructive, but how the hell do u know that all toms partying does not have an element of self medication? As you have stated you are not a psychiatrist. Neither am i but the ones i know who deal with substance abuse agree that most of the people who abuse are in need.

If u r who u claim to be why are u not helping tom instead of showing us how important you are on some obscure forum that will do him not one bit of good?
Its pretty obvious that no true medical professional would behave in this manner.
oh and here is the link
http://www.adhdhelp.org/stimulants.htm

You will see the quote i used a third of the way down the page.
And btw you might ask yourself why a strung out junkie like myself would be going to a site that advocates drug free treatment? And condemns current treatment with stimulants

"Since 1991 prescriptions for all drugs to treat ADHD have quintupled. This year about six million children, roughly one child out of every eight, will take Ritalin or other forms of methylphenidate. The number of stimulants prescribed for children 2 to 4 has increased 200% to 300% between 1991 and 1995. Studies show that stimulants cause especially severe reactions in young children. Since there are no good studies, no one knows what it does to the development of the very young child's brain. "

Yeah crack heads spend alot of time on web sites that condemn drug abuse.
U self righteous turd
 
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runninboy said:
Wow, u caught me! I am major coke head, meth addict and i shoot heroin whenever possible. When i run out of money i head out on the farm and shove my head up our cows buttt so i can get high on methane( see the r u a vegetarian thread for info):eek: I had no idea i was so transparent.
For the record i dont even take prescription drugs, I recently had a pretty complicated knee surgery and refused the pain block & pain med. which made the doctor kind of suspect. I explained my pain tolerance is very high, and so i will end up throwing away the pain pills eventually.
I am sure you believe i am making all this crap up which is fine, i mean addicts do that don't they ?:D
I know you are from Australia so this is probably hard to believe but i have never had a hangover either:p Probably because alcohol, like drugs does not excite me in the least.
You see i grew up with two sisters who were very ill, when i was 5 my parents took me to the hospital to say goodbye to one because the doctors had done everything they could for her. At a very young age i learned drugs were only for people who were sick, i was blessed to be healthy so i would never want to take drugs. Never gotten high, does not interest me in the slightest.
I also know that there are alot of people who self medicate. U might look at them as self destructive, but how the hell do u know that all toms partying does not have an element of self medication? As you have stated you are not a psychiatrist. Neither am i but the ones i know who deal with substance abuse agree that most of the people who abuse are in need.

If u r who u claim to be why are u not helping tom instead of showing us how important you are on some obscure forum that will do him not one bit of good?
Its pretty obvious that no true medical professional would behave in this manner.
oh and here is the link
http://www.adhdhelp.org/stimulants.htm

You will see the quote i used a third of the way down the page.
And btw you might ask yourself why a strung out junkie like myself would be going to a site that advocates drug free treatment? And condemns current treatment with stimulants

"Since 1991 prescriptions for all drugs to treat ADHD have quintupled. This year about six million children, roughly one child out of every eight, will take Ritalin or other forms of methylphenidate. The number of stimulants prescribed for children 2 to 4 has increased 200% to 300% between 1991 and 1995. Studies show that stimulants cause especially severe reactions in young children. Since there are no good studies, no one knows what it does to the development of the very young child's brain. "

Yeah crack heads spend alot of time on web sites that condemn drug abuse.
U self righteous turd

AS you seem to know Aussies so well, you will know we love it when we strike a nerve and watch someone turn evil. Look.....I am not his Dr, or his psych...I am neither his friend nor his enemy. One thing I am though is a person who is not to proud and self righteous to apologise (to you) when I step your toes. Your post was justified and again as an Aussie, I don't take it personally. Kep up the good work RunninBoy.
 
Two days after winning the Belgian title and shortly before the Tour began, he was captured by Belgian paparazzi in a dishevelled and drunken state, snatching food from the plates of customers in a late night burger bar. Further allegations in the Belgian media of romantic entanglements saw his partner, Lore, exit the family home.
 
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If we REALLY SERIOUSLY wanted to stir up a serious wasps nest...we should post this thread on a Belgian cycling forum and watch it have a melt down.

But we won't...I think this thread has served it's purpose now. Thanks to all who proffered their opinions/expertise and experiences....it was fun.

Rosscoe888:D
 
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Rosscoe888 said:
If we REALLY SERIOUSLY wanted to stir up a serious wasps nest...we should post this thread on a Belgian cycling forum and watch it have a melt down.

But we won't...I think this thread has served it's purpose now. Thanks to all who proffered their opinions/expertise and experiences....it was fun.

Rosscoe888:D
If he had not blood doped with his own blood for all his Tours he'd never have finished more than the first few stages... Maybe he never would have won a major race!
 
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Good Point BIgBoat

Thats one scenario, getting caught for all his blood boosting antics, not making it to the million dollar a year club and therefore not being able to afford to snort cocaine off the stomachs of lithe, 16yr old models who loved him to death. Doesn't sound that bad actually! ;p
 

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ex-Gerolsteiner drama ends

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Kopp: I'm ready! - Kopp to race again September 12, in Köln

Then in the Münsterland-Giro (Cat. 1.1) October 3,

After Kopp on 11 September 2008 at a kermisse race in Belgium had been tested positive for cocaine, he was after a long wait finally suspended by the Flemish Association for one year.
First, Kopp was allowed to compete again in January 2010 and showed up with Kuota-Indeland in some spring races.
Then the WADA had launched an investigation in to the one-year ban and changed it without notice in to two years.
The UCI world cycling federation suspended Kopp for a second time for the same thing on the instructions of the World Anti-Doping Agency and took in April Kopp out of a race and extended his ban to September 11.
Kopp: "After the last sentence it was the first time I felt terrible, but then got quite rapidly back to training and had all the time the date in my head this new suspension would expire. :cool:
http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_65193.htm
 
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Boeing said:
if the reward for wining Paris Roubaix 2 twice is snorting lines off 16 year old (allegedly)eurotrash chick chest and abs in every rave club south of Oslo then sign me up. that alone is worth all the work it took to get there.

Dude deserves more props IMHO

Nahhhh ... comments like that dont help anyone ...

Should get off the gear!! I'd give my left nut to be in the same position as him :p,

Why would it be cool to be stoned in a club all the time ??
 
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A healthy person would not need to snort lines to celebrate though. If that's why someone races . . that's pretty f'd up.

It's also the line every addict in the world gives . . . ."I took a little X because I was just celebrating . . can't a guy celebrate?"

You don't snort lines to celebrate. You snort lines because cocaine makes you feel great...until it makes you feel like you want to taste nickel plate and gunpowder.

Frothy emotional appeals and/or telling someone to just quit and go to treatment don't work. A person must hit bottom, whatever that is to them. To me, it was the realization that I was 22 years old and for the better part of a 2 years, had ceased to exist as best I could. I wasn't going to live much longer and I didn't really care all that much. Fortunately I cared just enough to do something, and almost 20 years later am much happier for it. However, some people just don't want to quit, and nothing you or anyone else says will change that. Period.
 
As a fairly regular and long time poster on this forum I find the sudden ratcheting upwards of strong handed moderation to be a bit off putting. What does it really matter if an old thread is resurrected with some marginally connected line of dialog? What line of discussion was being interupted by the change in dirrection? Would it have been better to open yet another new thread on a similar subject?
I guess I just don't understand the finer points of forum moderatoring, which is why, unlike Wonderlance, who has been strangely silent (ok so he's maybe less strange when he's silent) lately, I have no interest in becoming one.
 

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I am sorry that Tom has chosen cocaine. The drug is bigger than most people, their dreams and aspirations. Once a person choses to use cocaine on a habitual basis they are out of my life permanantly. Same with H.
That is how I preserve my integrity.
 

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flicker said:
I am sorry that Tom has chosen cocaine. The drug is bigger than most people, their dreams and aspirations. Once a person choses to use cocaine on a habitual basis they are out of my life permanantly. Same with H.
That is how I preserve my integrity.

If you advertise this to friends and family, you've likely driven many individuals into the depths of drug abuse.
 

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jimmypop said:
If you advertise this to friends and family, you've likely driven many individuals into the depths of drug abuse.

Without going into detail my choice is self-protection of self and family, emotionally, financially ,spiritually.

I totally support drug re-hab clinics, 12 step community, personal therapy etc.

I love Boonen as a rider and his quirky fun loving personality. I think he is intelligent and I wish him the best. The best I can do for him is wish him well.

My hope is that athletes who choose PEDs or recreational drugs take a look at themselves and seek help. Same for any other individual who-CHOOSES DRUGs and that path towards a downward spiral.
 

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gearmasher said:
Right over his head....big surprise.

Do you think I am as thin skinned as you? Should I acknowledge an ironic cyclist like gearmasher and let him hurt my one feeling? I would rather cultivate knowledge than recognise idiocy.
 
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flicker said:
Do you think I am as thin skinned as you? Should I acknowledge an ironic cyclist like gearmasher and let him hurt my one feeling? I would rather cultivate knowledge than recognise idiocy.

Not everyone has lived the experience of a family member's deep addiction. You are right that survival demands a certain distance from the chaos they create.
 
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Oldman said:
Not everyone has lived the experience of a family member's deep addiction. You are right that survival demands a certain distance from the chaos they create.


Not every body has lived this situation, no, actually most people have, we are so tied up in it that we don't even recognise it for what it is.


I've worked with near dead people, from drink, who apparently just liked a drink, they still had employment, so they must be all right. They were actually being held together by other alcoholics who were further back the road. you couldn't make it up, unless you were sober, the next morning.
 
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richwagmn said:
. Most medical professionals would refrain from making a diagnosis without access to the patient or to his records.

If he's suffering from an addiction, I can't understand why there haven't been more positives (does coke leave your body that quickly?)


Well she is a nurse not precisely a medical professional (i.e. a doctor) Still, I really don't understand why she has to post this "information" here.