Potential reactions to Armstrong news...

[Semper Fidelis]

So who did kill JFK?

The guy on the gurrrassy KNOLL.

 

[stainlessguy1]

Why is it that when you criticize someone's opinion they play the victim and claim or infer they are "not allowed" to express their opinion?

You're "allowed" to speak your mind. Don't expect anyone to agree with you or remain silent. Make your case and stop acting like a victim.

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i guess its in the way its said , or the way its perceived .
but anyway , thanks .
Maybe i just feel like i am cyber whipped . lol .

 

[Oldman]

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i guess its in the way its said , or the way its perceived .
but anyway , thanks .
Maybe i just feel like i am cyber whipped . lol .

You follow in a rich tradition of passive/aggressive debaters on the forum. Most don't invest as much time and words as you have, unless they are paid.

 

[stainlessguy1]

You can say whatever you want - in fact I encourage it - I enjoy when posters fawn over Lance and then state that they are neutral.

Also, you can 'switch and like the guy' and not remain 'neutral' as you please, although I don't expect to see any difference in your posts.

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I thought i was doing pretty good , but i will work on that .

i hope the other side of my brain recovers and then i will feel better . That might improve my writing .
Thanks Dr. M .

smiles .

 

[stainlessguy1]

I do not understand what you are talking about, perhaps that is your intention?

Livestrong combine audit report. Rather easy to read and question why so much is spent on travel, advertising, and legal. Open Book and all that.
http://www.livestrong.org/pdfs/4-0/2008-2009combinedauditreport

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OK thanks Race .

I just took some time to breeze thru it and ask a few questions and got some answers . I was also informed about the open book policys for foundations as opposed to corporations . ( i was a bit behind on that )
Thanks for finding things . I am not a computer genius and get to tired spending all day on here .

However , looking at the report with an administrator in high ranking to normal fundraising for hospitals and other areas .. This seems quiet normal .
In fact it is better than normal . In a nut shell the wage pay outs are well below line to the entire assests the the foundation takes in . The money going back directly to cancer issues is superb .
The multitude of foundations that lances foundation supports on a yearly basis is big ,, amounts big .
From a business perspective , on how much it takes to actually produce a product , in terms of legal , insurance , raw materials , machine tools and equiptment , land / buildings / rent . etc etc ... and also the investment assest that the foundation has invested to sustain itself all look good .
So from the overview ,,,,, what is the problem . ?

 

[stainlessguy1]

You follow in a rich tradition of passive/aggressive debaters on the forum. Most don't invest as much time and words as you have, unless they are paid.

not paid sir : ,, just trying to make light of this , learn , listen and also have my say . If i am wrong , then i am wrong . It did spark conversation , and i did get a link from a member that i could read , regarding the foundation pertaining to finance .
That was helpful , thanks .

 

[stainlessguy1]

You follow in a rich tradition of passive/aggressive debaters on the forum. Most don't invest as much time and words as you have, unless they are paid.

Well maybe because i am new ,,, i am feeling my way around a bit , hence the overpolite , include everyone in a good way approach to writing . but I am not passive/ aggressive , maybe more passive if anything .
It would be normal to not jump on things with swords first thing eh .
It was my mistake in including everone that did anything good in cycling , believing that this forum was anything other than a bunch of well informed cycling fans and its stars and how many times someone won what .
My comments could of been shorter and more refined ,,, and it would of stopped a lot of picking and pulling of quotes .

Thanks for all those who wrote back and commented .

 

[Polish]

However , looking at the report with an administrator in high ranking to normal fundraising for hospitals and other areas .. This seems quiet normal .
In fact it is better than normal . In a nut shell the wage pay outs are well below line to the entire assests the the foundation takes in . The money going back directly to cancer issues is superb .
The multitude of foundations that lances foundation supports on a yearly basis is big ,, amounts big .
From a business perspective , on how much it takes to actually produce a product , in terms of legal , insurance , raw materials , machine tools and equiptment , land / buildings / rent . etc etc ... and also the investment assest that the foundation has invested to sustain itself all look good .
So from the overview ,,,,, what is the problem . ?

What is the problem? Good question!
(And great post btw, thanks)

I think the problem the Clinic has with Lance is twofold:
Strippers and Jet Fuel.

But c'mon, stippers are people too. Many are struggling to make ends meet.
Single moms with mouths to feed some of them. Should be no big deal really...

And the jet fuel? It is not like Lance is hoarding the fuel in big tanks in his back yard. Waiting to resell on the open market when prices are favorable.

No, he is giving money to others - all over the world at various jet fuel stations. Lance does not pocket any of the jet fuel himself lol.

Just my 2 cents.
Thanks again for your post

 

[Darryl Webster]

No, he is giving money to others - all over the world at various jet fuel stations. Lance does not pocket any of the jet fuel himself lol.

Just my 2 cents.
Thanks again for your post

I think thats taking the philosophical position of " you cant take it with you" and somwhat streching it eh?.

Seems to me your purpose here is that of a very poor Jester who should have gave up the gig a long time back . In reality ya seem to see no "right" or "wrong" re the doping issues and adopt an aloof , patronising and excruciantingly iritating indifferance.
Ya like a bad smell that just wont go away, pottentialy offensive but ultimatly pointless.

Seek help.

 

[Neworld]

Jeff Novitsky proudly displays the largest catch of his career

Monte Z,

Can you make those into Tshirts?

NW

 

[Race Radio]

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OK thanks Race .

I just took some time to breeze thru it and ask a few questions and got some answers . I was also informed about the open book policys for foundations as opposed to corporations . ( i was a bit behind on that )
Thanks for finding things . I am not a computer genius and get to tired spending all day on here .

However , looking at the report with an administrator in high ranking to normal fundraising for hospitals and other areas .. This seems quiet normal .
In fact it is better than normal . In a nut shell the wage pay outs are well below line to the entire assests the the foundation takes in . The money going back directly to cancer issues is superb .
The multitude of foundations that lances foundation supports on a yearly basis is big ,, amounts big .
From a business perspective , on how much it takes to actually produce a product , in terms of legal , insurance , raw materials , machine tools and equiptment , land / buildings / rent . etc etc ... and also the investment assest that the foundation has invested to sustain itself all look good .
So from the overview ,,,,, what is the problem . ?

Thanks for proving that trolling and obfuscation is your goal.

There is nothing normal about $2,000,000 in travel expenses. For comparison, the National Cancer Coalition, with 5 times as much money raised only claimed $108,559 in travel expenses.

 

[stainlessguy1]

The view from here.

i have had the pleasure of spending the last couple of hours listening to a person that has worked in Health care for the past thirty years .

The interesting thing is that this person is not a cyclist , but still a sports minded individual with a great deal of knowledge in many sports fields .

WE talked about the begining , the Terry Fox story , the foundation that was built because of his story .
Then the up and down of Steve Fonyo , then the wheels in motion tour with Rick Hanson .
Now along comes a Lance Armstrong , who everyone cheered for in the begining then wants to crucify in the end .
Well after reviewing the admiration he is getting from this health care team , i have totaly taken another look at the situation .
I totaly agree with the health care team that just talked to me . I think the way Lance has handled it so far , is about the only way he could .
I think if you are trying to both raise a foundation for the future , and still race is a very tall order .
i think If i had a jet to get to trot the country and still have time to train so i can still be that athlete that comes with the package as a fundraising athlete ,, i would do it to .
yes it costs fuel ... having a foundation to be solid for years after lance retires costs more than just fuel .
Its a big big effort , If a health care official can see lance in a positive light , a non cycling person at that . Then by formula of government there are 10's of thousands alike out there , that also see lance in a positive light and with positive contribution . If they dont worry about negative poster politics then neither should any cyclist here . But you do what you want , just remember when you say things in print about what he is ,,, that he is this and that ,, you open yourself up to slander by the foundation , same as a newspaper . Forums are not immune to this .
You just all Remember he is doing 2 jobs .. not too many of you could do that and not in a big way like he has .
All of the negative posts , and i was almost starting to believe them too , but i will say what i said a long time ago .

Good Luck Lance , God Bless and Thanks ....

 

[Neworld]

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I dont think so .
With phrases like * YOU RODE ALL THAT WAY ON A BICYCLE * or * PUT A MOTOR IN IT * or WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE , or HEY A.....HOLE GET OFF THE ROAD . To name a few , there are many more .
My all time favourite is of course ....... YOU RODE HOW FAR TO WORK ? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET HOME ? ....HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU ? AND OF COURSE WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE .

My dread is of course that after riding a short distance to work around 60km , and reaching work on time every day . While our great Unionized workforce , could not make it across town on a 5 min. trip in their Big V8 cars and had to punch in late .............. means that didnt go over well with the boys .( you never know if you got the crap kicked out of you one day by a 400 lb towmoter driver, because he got reprimanded for being late and your name was used as an example for getting there on time on a bicycle ) needless to say it resulted in cigarette burned tires and lots of damage , while your bike sits unattended in the plant in some corner .

So you see ,, with such history spanning more than one generation of cyclist i am a bit bitter towards someone saying its all because we would of changed anyway . No ,,, people dont change till someone comes along and it all falls into place .
that someone or somepeople was Greg and Lance ... together 10 wins ,,
that made the difference .
Like i said before ,,, no one follows something where there isnt a winner .
No one carries the torch for honorable mention . Donald Trump wouldnt do a Tour de Trump . No body likes also rans . period .


You say the world is bigger , yes it is ... but they dont have these macdonald supersize me idiots that cant get into their cadilac without a shoe horn types in the rest of the cycling world you refer to .
Look at Holland and just look at all the bike racks . Look at Denmark, same thing , the list goes on . Lots of parking for bicyles , no parking for cadilacs .

I dont even care if Lance used ,enhancers if he did , if he didnt , doesnt matter , what matters is what happened after to the sport of cycling in North america . It Grew big time .
The fact you all dont like they way the fund raising is going ,or the foundations are going .... thats your fault .
WE have been saying it for years .... corporate open book policies by law .
That means right across the board , open book in Canada and North American corporations OMG ... what a pandoras box that will open .
If you have to do it for one ,, then you have to do it for all . eh .

Stained,

You should re-read this post, really. You have so many modifiers, disjointed themes and topics and silly metaphors...what are you trying to say? Actually I'm not really interested anymore, but if you post again and the other readers are interested try posting with brevity, cohesiveness and an actual topic. Oh, am I trying to control your freedom of expression or cyber bullying you? Sorry, please write often and fill every post with pages of your flight of thought(s).

About the Christian stuff and me 'broadening my mind or horizons'. You don't know my religion do you? And, in a cycling forum why only bring up one religion, why not just say 'in religion...' Are you positioning yourself above other religions? See the thin edge of the wedge you're creating?

NW

 

[Neworld]

i have had the pleasure of spending the last couple of hours listening to a person that has worked in Health care for the past thirty years .

The interesting thing is that this person is not a cyclist , but still a sports minded individual with a great deal of knowledge in many sports fields .

WE talked about the begining , the Terry Fox story , the foundation that was built because of his story .
Then the up and down of Steve Fonyo , then the wheels in motion tour with Rick Hanson .
Now along comes a Lance Armstrong , who everyone cheered for in the begining then wants to crucify in the end .
Well after reviewing the admiration he is getting from this health care team , i have totaly taken another look at the situation .
I totaly agree with the health care team that just talked to me . I think the way Lance has handled it so far , is about the only way he could . ...

Stain,

You should do more than sample one health-care team before making a sweeping comment about how you think Lance best handled himself, the lies, the money...

You are a very unsophisticated person with very strong opinions; ie: very dangerous.

NW

 

[stainlessguy1]

Thanks for proving that trolling and obfuscation is your goal.

There is nothing normal about $2,000,000 in travel expenses. For comparison, the National Cancer Coalition, with 5 times as much money raised only claimed $108,559 in travel expenses.

I am sure that the national cancer coalition has no current pro , tour de france caliber cyclist that is actively racing in the tour de France , which if you say you are all cyclists , then you know how hard you have to train to do that .
So if you do 2 jobs and train and do fund raising then yes you have to be virtually in 2 places at the same time ,,,, next to impossible .
Planes work wonders in trying to get you there and back for dinner .
I hope you fuel nuts out there are starting to understand why it costs more .

Why did Celine Dion have a special stage built so she could sing . ( all under contract ) I bet she stays in more exclusive hotels too .
answer ,, because she is a star .
Lance is a star too .
Stars cost more ,, but we still love to see them regardless , from the runway to the sports arena . WE all still need that hero affect .

 

[stainlessguy1]

Stain,

You should do more than sample one health-care team before making a sweeping comment about how you think Lance best handled himself, the lies, the money...

You are a very unsophisticated person with very strong opinions; ie: very dangerous.

NW

I see the positive , you only see the negative ......

 

[Ferminal]

I am sure that the national cancer coalition has no current pro , tour de france caliber cyclist that is actively racing in the tour de France , which if you say you are all cyclists , then you know how hard you have to train to do that .
So if you do 2 jobs and train and do fund raising then yes you have to be virtually in 2 places at the same time ,,,, next to impossible .
Planes work wonders in trying to get you there and back for dinner .
I hope you fuel nuts out there are starting to understand why it costs more .

Why did Celine Dion have a special stage built so she could sing . ( all under contract ) I bet she stays in more exclusive hotels too .
answer ,, because she is a star .
Lance is a star too .
Stars cost more ,, but we still love to see them regardless , from the runway to the sports arena . WE all still need that hero affect .

Which charity did Celine Dion use to pay for her "star lifestyle" ?

 

[Hugh Januss]

I am sure that the national cancer coalition has no current pro , tour de france caliber cyclist that is actively racing in the tour de France , which if you say you are all cyclists , then you know how hard you have to train to do that .
So if you do 2 jobs and train and do fund raising then yes you have to be virtually in 2 places at the same time ,,,, next to impossible .
Planes work wonders in trying to get you there and back for dinner .
I hope you fuel nuts out there are starting to understand why it costs more .

Why did Celine Dion have a special stage built so she could sing . ( all under contract ) I bet she stays in more exclusive hotels too .
answer ,, because she is a star .
Lance is a star too .
Stars cost more ,, but we still love to see them regardless , from the runway to the sports arena . WE all still need that hero affect .

Don't you think that 7 time tour day france winners make enough money at their first job that they would nomally not have to steal money from cancer sufferers to fly around the world to these bike races, which they are not only collecting a salary and probably travel expenses from the team for, but also getting appearance fees of up to 2 million dollars for in some cases.
Maybe getting that jet was not a good financial decision.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I am sure that the national cancer coalition has no current pro , tour de france caliber cyclist that is actively racing in the tour de France , which if you say you are all cyclists , then you know how hard you have to train to do that .
So if you do 2 jobs and train and do fund raising then yes you have to be virtually in 2 places at the same time ,,,, next to impossible .
Planes work wonders in trying to get you there and back for dinner .
I hope you fuel nuts out there are starting to understand why it costs more .

Why did Celine Dion have a special stage built so she could sing . ( all under contract ) I bet she stays in more exclusive hotels too .
answer ,, because she is a star .
Lance is a star too .
Stars cost more ,, but we still love to see them regardless , from the runway to the sports arena . WE all still need that hero affect .

Hmm, don't you find unusual that Lance was doing 2 jobs (racing & flying around the world) all at the same time?

In 2009 his season finished in August and so did his other job (which I thought was a charity).
And it was the same in 2010 - started both in January and finished both in July.

 

[stainlessguy1]

Stained,

You should re-read this post, really. You have so many modifiers, disjointed themes and topics and silly metaphors...what are you trying to say? Actually I'm not really interested anymore, but if you post again and the other readers are interested try posting with brevity, cohesiveness and an actual topic. Oh, am I trying to control your freedom of expression or cyber bullying you? Sorry, please write often and fill every post with pages of your flight of thought(s).

About the Christian stuff and me 'broadening my mind or horizons'. You don't know my religion do you? And, in a cycling forum why only bring up one religion, why not just say 'in religion...' Are you positioning yourself above other religions? See the thin edge of the wedge you're creating?

NW

these paragraphs were anwers to many other quotes ,,, pick which one applies to one of the oquotes you had ,,, cause i am getting tired .

you said your religion was cycling ? yes .

I asked you to maybe see the movie ,, it explains a lot , not that one religion is above the other ,,, but if your looking to throw stones ,,, you can interpret it the way you will anyway .

 

[stainlessguy1]

Which charity did Celine Dion use to pay for her "star lifestyle" ?

not talking about a charity ,, talking about a star ,, and the star affect .
Do you people not read anything in symbolics ,,, does every word have to be explained . ?

 

[Ferminal]

not talking about a charity ,, talking about a star ,, and the star affect .
Do you people not read anything in symbolics ,,, does every word have to be explained . ?

So it's ok to siphon funds from your charity as long as you are a star?

 

[MacRoadie]

not talking about a charity ,, talking about a star ,, and the star affect .
Do you people not read anything in symbolics ,,, does every word have to be explained . ?

No genius, we get it...even through your horrible spelling, misplaced and misused punctuation and horrendous syntax.

We get that Celine Dion is a diva, and as such is entitled to, or expected to, have rather glamorous and expensive tastes. A diva-worthy lifestyle which is gladly paid for by her throng of fans, all of whom understand that their hard earned money is going straight into her pockets.

You, on the other hand, willfully accept Armstrong as a diva as well, similarly entitled to the glamorous lifestyle. You're also quite willing to allow that lifestyle to be paid for with money that otherwise would be utilized for charitable works.

That's your prerogative. It's not ours.

 

[Neworld]

I see the positive , you only see the negative ......

Stain,

I said neither a positive nor a negative. Just a reasonable opinion of you and your non-logic. This is a doping thread about reactions to LA news.

You state that you are new to 'these threads', that's cool. But, the rest of us are not and when you catch-up you'll hopefully realize that it is disingenuous to believe that Lance races clean, that he is true inspiration to anything and he diverts money away from nobel charities and researchers to himself.

If you have enough time to type as much as you do, maybe you should channel some energy into reading the innumerable threads and facts listed in the doping forum to educate yourself(yes, not everything listed is true). That way you won't spout off with parallels of Terry Fox and LA, silly religious advise and weak justifications of Lance's nobel efforts.

Ask the hard questions Stain?

NW

 

[Oldman]

So we can all guess this guy is paid by the word. Do you think he's a new addition to the team or is he an old troller?
Who are the best candidates because this guy is a more bewildering combination than an door to door evangelist and the usual phone/IT project manager with too much time to bill?
Names: