btw the 7.8k reference on the versus coverage is for the break. on the 09 tour there was a sign with 8.7k to the finish right after that zebra cross i used as reference.
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the nbc broadcast also is not relevant if you want to check the time ascent.it's not a live broadcast,it's full of ads,cuts and michelob ultra
the thing is rui costa did the verbier climb 1'05'' slower than alberto in 2009.that is 100% certain
or if you want to be even more precise he did it just one minute slower because he had indeed to do some extra 30 meters on the finishing straight line
so i was wrong,he did it faster than nibali.only andy and alberto went faster on the exactly same route in 2009
the thing is rui costa did the verbier climb 1'05'' slower than alberto in 2009.that is 100% certain
or if you want to be even more precise he did it just one minute slower because he had indeed to do some extra 30 meters on the finishing straight line
so i was wrong,he did it faster than nibali.only andy and alberto went faster on the exactly same route in 2009
Using the last 14k french live coverage i get using the same references: 21:11 so i think jens might be right on this one.
For distances.
Start
Course
Finish, I over ran it because my map marker wouldn't enter carpark where the actual finish is.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee501/karlboss/Picture2-3.jpg
8.240 km
Start
Course
Finish, I over ran it because my map marker wouldn't enter carpark where the actual finish is.
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee501/karlboss/Picture2-3.jpg
8.240 km
As I watch ten Dam driving the group on the last climb at Suisse, I was wondering if anyone is using strava data pros post (ten Dam posts his race files to Strava) for climbing data?
Did you have your SRM on the bike that day?
Michael Rogers: “Yeah.”
Going up the climb, what sort of power were you generating?
Michael Rogers: “We did [the Joux Plane climb] in 34:50, I think, and I averaged 440 Watts. That was one of my highest every power reports.”
And what about Bradley? Do you know his equivalent?
Michael Rogers: “No.
http://www.ridemedia.com.au/?p=6440
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According to my calculation
Michael Rogers
Criterium du Dauphine 2012, Stage 6, Final Climb, Col de Joux Plane
Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 981 m
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 11.7 Km
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 2136 = 35 min 36 sec = 35:36
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 75 kg [TeamSky.com]
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg
Grade / mittlere Seigung : 8.4 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 19.7 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 83.0 kg
Power : 436.7 Watt
Power / kg : 5.8 Watt / kg
Source: [ http://www.rst.mp-all.de/bergauf.htm ]
Michael Rogers: “Yeah.”
Going up the climb, what sort of power were you generating?
Michael Rogers: “We did [the Joux Plane climb] in 34:50, I think, and I averaged 440 Watts. That was one of my highest every power reports.”
And what about Bradley? Do you know his equivalent?
Michael Rogers: “No.
http://www.ridemedia.com.au/?p=6440
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According to my calculation
Michael Rogers
Criterium du Dauphine 2012, Stage 6, Final Climb, Col de Joux Plane
Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 981 m
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 11.7 Km
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 2136 = 35 min 36 sec = 35:36
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 75 kg [TeamSky.com]
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg
Grade / mittlere Seigung : 8.4 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 19.7 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 83.0 kg
Power : 436.7 Watt
Power / kg : 5.8 Watt / kg
Source: [ http://www.rst.mp-all.de/bergauf.htm ]
halamala said:
Rogers did draft the whole climb. On tourmalet, at about 23kph Horner rode at 6.3W/kg, behind 6.6w/kg, though this effect is obviously reduced at the lower speed of 19.7km/h. Still pretty close regardless remembering this is rogers saying 440watts, which may be extremely accurate or just fairly close.
July 1, Stage 1: Liège - Seraing 198km
Peter Sagan of Liquigas Cannondale delivered a remarkable performance in yesterday’s cat 4 climb finish for his first Tour de France stage win!
Peter and Liquigas Cannondale staff members shared the winning SRM race file.
Sagan’s average power over the day was 206 watts and required over 3,550 kilocalories. He held an average cadence of 72rpm and an average speed at 39kph. The course profile was rolling hills with just under 2,000 meters of total altitude gain.
In the final 1.5km Cancellara initiated the sprint uphill. Peter Sagan ramped up his cadence to over 120rpm to stay with him and averaged 493 watts in the last 2 minutes 20 seconds of the race.
Peter soared up the incline with a 1,236 watt surge to his stage win averaging 970 watts in the final 200 meters.
http://www.srm.de/index.php/us/srm-blog/tour-de-france/727
Peter Sagan of Liquigas Cannondale delivered a remarkable performance in yesterday’s cat 4 climb finish for his first Tour de France stage win!
Peter and Liquigas Cannondale staff members shared the winning SRM race file.
Sagan’s average power over the day was 206 watts and required over 3,550 kilocalories. He held an average cadence of 72rpm and an average speed at 39kph. The course profile was rolling hills with just under 2,000 meters of total altitude gain.
In the final 1.5km Cancellara initiated the sprint uphill. Peter Sagan ramped up his cadence to over 120rpm to stay with him and averaged 493 watts in the last 2 minutes 20 seconds of the race.
Peter soared up the incline with a 1,236 watt surge to his stage win averaging 970 watts in the final 200 meters.
http://www.srm.de/index.php/us/srm-blog/tour-de-france/727
Tour de France 2012, Stage 7, Final Climb, La Planche des Belles Filles
Distance: 5.9 Km, Grade: 8.5 %, Elevation: 503 m
VAM 1900 m/h = 15 min 53 sec
VAM 1850 m/h = 16 min 19 sec
VAM 1800 m/h = 16 min 46 sec
VAM 1750 m/h = 17 min 15 sec
VAM 1700 m/h = 17 min 45 sec
VAM 1650 m/h = 18 min 17 sec
VAM 1600 m/h = 18 min 52 sec
Distance: 5.9 Km, Grade: 8.5 %, Elevation: 503 m
VAM 1900 m/h = 15 min 53 sec
VAM 1850 m/h = 16 min 19 sec
VAM 1800 m/h = 16 min 46 sec
VAM 1750 m/h = 17 min 15 sec
VAM 1700 m/h = 17 min 45 sec
VAM 1650 m/h = 18 min 17 sec
VAM 1600 m/h = 18 min 52 sec
halamala said:Tour de France 2012, Stage 7, Final Climb, La Planche des Belles Filles
Distance: 5.9 Km, Grade: 8.5 %, Elevation: 503 m
VAM 1900 m/h = 15 min 53 sec
VAM 1850 m/h = 16 min 19 sec
VAM 1800 m/h = 16 min 46 sec
VAM 1750 m/h = 17 min 15 sec
VAM 1700 m/h = 17 min 45 sec
VAM 1650 m/h = 18 min 17 sec
VAM 1600 m/h = 18 min 52 sec
Expect something quick - first mountain stage, nothing before hand in the stage itself, very short, very steep (which is condusive to a high VAM) and a likely team time trial up.
Nice, I have 1855 m/h for Froome
Foot : 4'33" (lead group)
Top : 20'58"
Peloton was about 9" behind the lead group, so time : 16'16"
Vertical : 503 meters
Foot : 4'33" (lead group)
Top : 20'58"
Peloton was about 9" behind the lead group, so time : 16'16"
Vertical : 503 meters
webvan said:
Based on the formula here:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-2009-contador-climb.html
1855 yields 6.51 w/kg. Not quite Contadorian circa 2009, but impressive nonetheless.
1840 for me (I had calculated based on 523, not 532).
I went from the line on the road marking the climb start, rather than the screen graphics.
In any case, I don't see anything to raise a flag on such a short steep climb.
I went from the line on the road marking the climb start, rather than the screen graphics.
In any case, I don't see anything to raise a flag on such a short steep climb.
tobsie said:
With Vam, the steeper it is, the easier a high VAM is.
This was a 16 minute effort up the steepest summit finish in recent memory for a Tour, with no mountains earlier in the day or the race.
It's safe to say every single climb will be slower than this - if this is the peak, it's not particularly worrying.
Waterloo Sunrise said:
Still very high, but steeper than Verbier and Froome drafted until 2k to go.
The vertical is 503, not 523 or 532? 4'33" on my recording is when the lead group passes the line (and poles) on the climb of the road.
Ferminal said:
There's a kilometer missing, but I've added the VAM for each section. So yes, this climb from last year's Vuelta is more impressive than the climb today.
Originally Posted by halamala
Vuelta a Espana 2011, Stage 17, Final climb Pena Cabarga
Chris Froome
From 6 Km banner to 3 Km banner [Distance 3.0 Km]
VAM: 1920
Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 280 m [Source]
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 3.0 Km [Source]
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 525 = 8 min 45 sec = 8:45
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 72 kg
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg
Grade / mittlere Seigung : 9.3 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 20.5 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 80.0 kg
Power : 486.9 Watt
Power / kg : 6.7 Watt / kg
From 2 Km banner to the finish line
VAM: 2160
Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 225 m
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 2.0 Km
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 375 = 6 min 15 sec = 6:15
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 72 kg
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg
Grade / mittlere Seigung : 11.2 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 19.2 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 80.0 kg
Power : 529.2 Watt
Power / kg : 7.3 Watt / kg
From 1 Km banner to the finish line
VAM: 2149
Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 120 m
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 1.0 Km
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 204 = 3 min 24 sec = 3:24
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 72 kg
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg
Grade / mittlere Seigung : 12.0 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 17.6 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 80.0 kg
Power : 510.0 Watt
Power / kg : 7.0 Watt / kg
Source: [ http://www.rst.mp-all.de/bergauf.htm ]
I think that 2 Km banner is located in a wrong place.
halamala said:
510 Watts?
Finally, someone bested Indurain's 508 watts*
Must be improvements in training and nutrition.
Dave.
*Yes, that was over an hour. But, still, 510 watts from a stick figure?
I AGREE.... Janez Brajkovic averaged 7.1 w/kg for his 7.5 minute prologue. (426 watts average at 60 kg). If his FTP is even 85% of that his FTP is close to 6.0 w/kg and he lost 45 seconds on Evans/Wiggo/Froome in 15 minutes! Heck he probably rode the climb at 6.5 w/kg or so.D-Queued said:
Its almost as fast as the Lance days, LOL. Rogers had to average 440 on the Joux plane during the Dauphine. Could Greg Lemond have even kept up with Brajkovic? It'd be close.
D-Queued said:
I calculate 6.7 or 482 watts (@72kg) for Froome based on Halamala's info the 5km he calculated of the 6km climb (I haven't tried to find the other km yet.) So, 482 watts for 15 minutes assuming the 72 kg weight is accurate.
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