Power Data Estimates for the climbing stages

[Red Rick]

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Record was only 1615 VAM, which is a lower record VAM than the comparable Turini record which Roglic broke on a 10 minute longer climb while doing all sorts of tactical bs.

I'll wait for the actual climbing time to drop

 

[PhiLiz]

Record was only 1615 VAM, which is a lower record VAM than the comparable Turini record which Roglic broke on a 10 minute longer climb while doing all sorts of tactical bs.

I'll wait for the actual climbing time to drop

EDIT - 26:24 by the looks of it. 1997 was 28:56 but on a far harder stage indeed.

 

[SafeBet]

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Nothing special...

 

[Devil's Elbow]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550142687709372416

Oh dear.

 

[roundabout]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550142687709372416

Oh dear.

That would probably be 2 minutes or more slower, though, right?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

That would probably be 2 minutes or more slower, though, right?

But similar to Armstrong's winning 2000 time. After a brutal Tour and all-out racing on Spandelles. Utter madness.

 

[Riek s]

Seems a little slower than Armstrong and a minute faster than Cobo, Piepoli. Pogacar about same time as Cobo piepoli..

Neither of them in good company with those names.

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[Unterlenkerfahrend]

If correct he barely cracks the top 20. Still mad but the bigger WTF remains definitely WVA.

 

[roundabout]

Seems like wonky data as Thomas lost 3 minutes approximately not 4 and they were together at the start of the climb

Fastest time after 1994/1996 and Armstrong in 2000 either way

 

[Devil's Elbow]

So about 20 seconds down on Armstrong and about 40 seconds up on Piepoli who subsequently tested positive on CERA. That would be extremely suspect midway through the Tour on a stage without anything happening before the MTF...

 

[Riek s]

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[PhiLiz]

The Armstrong time is not a good comparison, it was an absolutely miserable day. He probably could've gone much faster under different conditions, he destroyed everyone on that day.

SD in 2008 and Nibali in 2014, on the other hand, are.

 

[Riek s]

first estimates seem to point @ ~6,4W/kg on Hautecam.

6.4W/kg becomes the new norm after a heavy tour and a heavy ettappe with full efforts on the climbs before it.

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[Red Rick]

So about 20 seconds down on Armstrong and about 40 seconds up on Piepoli who subsequently tested positive on CERA. That would be extremely suspect midway through the Tour on a stage without anything happening before the MTF...

It's basically what I would've expected on Alpe d'Huez, to go 40 to 60s faster than the fastest recent times.

This may be a hot take but I think effect of fatigue and previous efforts may be a bit overrated in the freshest riders in a race.

 

[roundabout]

It's basically what I would've expected on Alpe d'Huez, to go 40 to 60s faster than the fastest recent times.

This may be a hot take but I think effect of fatigue and previous efforts may be a bit overrated in the freshest riders in a race.

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And what is your best guess for why it may be so?

 

[Red Rick]

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And what is your best guess for why it may be so?

Physiologically? I think it's partially down to substrate usage and that's actually an area where science and nutrition has improved a lot over the years. Also building up less lactate on 6W/kg for 20 minutes should help a lot.

I just think it's fairly common to see near top climbing performances after a hard day by the best in a race, and it's generally those behind that go much slower. And some of the biggest gaps on near unipuerto stages have happened on stages where they drill a shorter, easier climb super hard before, like Ancares 2014.

 

[roundabout]

Physiologically? I think it's partially down to substrate usage and that's actually an area where science and nutrition has improved a lot over the years. Also building up less lactate on 6W/kg for 20 minutes should help a lot.

I just think it's fairly common to see near top climbing performances after a hard day by the best in a race, and it's generally those behind that go much slower. And some of the biggest gaps on near unipuerto stages have happened on stages where they drill a shorter, easier climb super hard before, like Ancares 2014.

Ok, but is science and nutrition advance limited to 2/3 teams? The margin of Vingegaard's superiority over the rest was significant today.

Very significant.

 

[zlev11]

Ok, but is science and nutrition advance limited to 2/3 teams? The margin of Vingegaard's superiority over the rest was significant today.

Very significant.

we've seen it before not too long ago: https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27948

 

[Riek s]

If you look at some of those attacks from Froome, there is nothing natural about it... Honestly, for me Froome is the prove that Cycling body doesn't really want to catch dopers. and if they catch them, its more by accident because they tried to make it appear as if they do something.

 

[roundabout]

we've seen it before not too long ago: https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27948

And Thomas riding on the team that dominated that race lost 3 minutes on the last climb today.

That's a lot of gains. And not against some hillbilly anti-science French team.

 

[zlev11]

And Thomas riding on the team that dominated that race lost 3 minutes on the last climb today.

That's a lot of gains. And not against some hillbilly anti-science French team.

what's your point then? Thomas is also 7 years older now than he was then. Froome had the same gap to the field back then as Vingegaard did today. it happens when the strongest rider in the race goes full gas. Pogacar put 4 minutes into everyone on one stage last year too.

 

[Bronstein]

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[Mayomaniac]

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Man, 1997 Piepoli was already on the good stuff, makes his SD climbing times look normal!

 

[Mayomaniac]

If you look at some of those attacks from Froome, there is nothing natural about it... Honestly, for me Froome is the prove that Cycling body doesn't really want to catch dopers. and if they catch them, its more by accident because they tried to make it appear as if they do something.

You know, the fact that the official Covid tests by ASO on the rest days have been total bs (no positive tests and yet one or 2 days after a few riders always test positive on the internal test) made me think. Are they really gonna be more serious with other forms of "testing" that can have much more negative consequences for the sport (and ASO), or will they also just look away?

 

[Mayomaniac]

The Armstrong time is not a good comparison, it was an absolutely miserable day. He probably could've gone much faster under different conditions, he destroyed everyone on that day.

SD in 2008 and Nibali in 2014, on the other hand, are.

Nibali went solo with what, over 10kms to go? He probably could have gone a lot faster with Kuss and Wout working for him...