Race Radio said:
Wikipedia gives Rogers weight as 75 kg. 440 W/75 kg = 5,87 W/KG - not 6,7. Of cause if those were his best numbers ever I doubt he'd have won a WC in TT in the EPO era. let alone 3.
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Wikipedia gives Rogers weight as 75 kg. 440 W/75 kg = 5,87 W/KG - not 6,7. Of cause if those were his best numbers ever I doubt he'd have won a WC in TT in the EPO era. let alone 3.
Cerberus said:
I doubt that 75 kg. Not this year. That is a hefty weight to climb at. I bet he started the Tour below 70.
BroDeal said:
Sky kg or normal kg? The former tend to fluctuate considering which argument needs to be made (and yes, that goes for all sides in the discussion).
Just asking.
Franklin said:Sky kg or normal kg?
Just asking.
Is there a conversion constant for Sky kilograms?
1 kg = 0.91538 skg
Rider who has raced for ten years at 75 kg, trying everything he can to minimize his weight, will race at 68.65 kg when on Sky. [After the appropriate number of Tenerife training camps of course.]
No way does Rogers weigh 75kg. Everyone knows it's impossible to outclimb the gruppetto dragging around that much weight. Not even Bradley Wiggins, the 4th most talented climber in the wor... sorry, make that 2nd most talented climber in the world since Bert and Andy are doped. Not even he could drop the autobus at 76 kg. It can't be done, man. It just can't!
Parrulo said:
It looks like it is being calculated as watts/rider weight (e.g. in the case of Rogers).
Ripper said:
rider weight if deriving watts/kg from power. Total weight if estimating power from ascent time.
I might be confused here but didn't Wiggins state that Rogers was putting out a steady 450W on the climbs? If Rogers weighs 72kg then that's 6.25W/kg which looks to be in doping territory. Moreover, they were doing this day in day out.
biker jk said:
they weren't doing 6.2W/kg day after day, have a look at some of the stage power analysis
Just as an addendum, without going into the power outputs, to the keen observer (which I am in Rogers case as I'm an Aussie), Rogers is substantially thinner now than he has ever been. I would estimate about 69kg.
Without bothering to actually source the quote he said after stage 7 (perhaps to Anthony Tan??) that he was the lightest he had been since he was 16 years old. Even taking into account exaggerations and dim memories of youth, that still equates with real life observations.
The other thing to realise with rider weights (and height for that matter), they NEVER admit their true weight, its a closely guarded secret as it gives competitors an advantage if they can compute your potential outputs. Sorry to be a bit vague but I'm sure you can find it, Ashenden went into some detail with the Lance 2005 EPO re-test interview, in the bit talking about the 1990s power figures published by the Professor (Grieves??), and how he did not believe the weights and height published were true. In fact I seem to recall Ashenden even querying the "post cancer weight loss" statements that were happily touted to explain his new found climbing ability.
Without bothering to actually source the quote he said after stage 7 (perhaps to Anthony Tan??) that he was the lightest he had been since he was 16 years old. Even taking into account exaggerations and dim memories of youth, that still equates with real life observations.
The other thing to realise with rider weights (and height for that matter), they NEVER admit their true weight, its a closely guarded secret as it gives competitors an advantage if they can compute your potential outputs. Sorry to be a bit vague but I'm sure you can find it, Ashenden went into some detail with the Lance 2005 EPO re-test interview, in the bit talking about the 1990s power figures published by the Professor (Grieves??), and how he did not believe the weights and height published were true. In fact I seem to recall Ashenden even querying the "post cancer weight loss" statements that were happily touted to explain his new found climbing ability.
sittingbison said:
Well, there are some pretty interesting "ifs" here, but if Rogers did average 440w on longer climbs and if he now weighs 69kg (and not 75), then that is around 6.4 w/kg. We know the weight listed for Wiggins is 69kg and didn't he also make comments about riding climbs at 440w or 460w?
Interesting that so many on the team were able to so precisely dial in the weight loss, improved power, improved recovery, peaking, and not getting ill from such weight loss (hello ... no immune system), all at the same time. Damn that is some great planning. Hot diggity!
Why does no-one above posts the duration and average W when they randomly state numbers. These mean nothing without.
Here's the Wiggins quote on power output.
"This week, we were riding tempo at the front on some of these climbs, at 450 watts, and Michael Rogers is the man with all the numbers, the road captain," he said.
"Someone would attack and Mick would say 'just leave him, he can't sustain (it), it's not possible to sustain.
"If we're riding at 450 watts, someone is going to have to sustain 500 watts to stay away on a 20-minute climb, which is only possible if you have another couple of litres of blood."
"That's the reality of it."
"This week, we were riding tempo at the front on some of these climbs, at 450 watts, and Michael Rogers is the man with all the numbers, the road captain," he said.
"Someone would attack and Mick would say 'just leave him, he can't sustain (it), it's not possible to sustain.
"If we're riding at 450 watts, someone is going to have to sustain 500 watts to stay away on a 20-minute climb, which is only possible if you have another couple of litres of blood."
"That's the reality of it."
wannab said:
Well Rogers stated an average of 440w on the climbs, and was vague in terms of the length of the climbs, but certainly given he was referring to a fairly major HC climb in the Dauphine, you can get the idea it was for 40+ minutes.
biker jk said:
This is interesting to me and watching the final TT made me think. Much was made of Froome's strength v. Wiggins (stage 7), Froome dropping Wiggins (stage 11) or Wiggins not being able to hold Froome's wheel (stage 18). But Wiggins seems to have paced the whole tour more or less as a TT (much to my displeasure given how boring this is to watch).
Now obviously Froome is a better climber than Wiggins, but it looks to me like Wiggins always knew he had to stay as much out of the red - for the whole tour - as possible to be in a good position to smash that last 54k TT. That was always in his mind as absolutely the best opportunity for him to really make time during this tour.
Regardless of what kind of medical attention has put Sky in such a dominant position, you have to concede that in terms of their battle plan for this tour, it's been impressive to watch on that level, even if the GC racing has been boring most of the time.
Ripper said:
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Michael Rogers said:
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Ivan Basso said:
I think this pretty much sums it up.
Whats with the blood bag comment from Brad?
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Ripper said:
when they say they are riding tempo it doesn't necessary means at they are riding in that zone they may have been riding at endurance pace, FTP whetever but they call it tempo
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why didn't they bring Flecha instead of Rogers? last year he had an FTP of 6.1 w/kg surely with a couple blood bags he would do much better than Rogers haha
iZnoGouD said:
Another couple liters of blood? What was the exact wording? Maybe more liters of extra blood?
Clearly the Tour is more human now.biker jk said:
The extra blood comment is just weird. Is he saying, "if you beat us you're doping"?
Didnt Wiggins say in an interview he's at 71kg?Sounds more realistic, guy is 190cm tall and he doesnt look thaaaat skinny(except for his legs).
Andy Schleck is 4cm smaller, looks much skinnier and is listed at 68kg, no way Wiggins is just 1kg heavier.
Andy Schleck is 4cm smaller, looks much skinnier and is listed at 68kg, no way Wiggins is just 1kg heavier.
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