Presidential Cycling Tour of Turkey 2011

[El Pistolero]

Why did Lotto waste their money on Greipel when they could have bought some good domestiques for Phil and VDB instead?

What a waste of cash.

 

[sublimit]

Why did Lotto waste their money on Greipel when they could have bought some good domestiques for Phil and VDB instead?

What a waste of cash.

Frank and Andy would be good domestiques but paid and not on a voluntary basis. Greiple grabbed position 16 apparently and didnt compete in the sprint and just rolled in.

Impressed with Vanendert though for his work in the previous races.

 

[jens_attacks]

intelligent sprint by valentin.nice to see finally some astana kazakhs(besides vino and maxim) winning races.with all those money invested in their future,they should win more.

let's not hype the whole thing though.it was just a win in the beautiful tour of tukey.

 

[Flamin]

Why did Lotto waste their money on Greipel when they could have bought some good domestiques for Phil and VDB instead?

What a waste of cash.

OPL victories 2010: 7 (6 from Gilbert)

Greipel victories 2010: 20

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[Waterloo Sunrise]

OPL victories 2010: 7 (6 from Gilbert)

Greipel victories 2010: 20

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Sadly so far it seems Vincente Reynes & Adam Hansen were not the heart and soul of the HTC train they thought they were buying.

 

[roundabout]

OPL victories 2010: 7 (6 from Gilbert)

Greipel victories 2010: 20

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I don't think many people would deny that signing Greipel at least seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

[theyoungest]

I don't think many people would deny that signing Greipel at least seemed like a good idea at the time.

I think most of us knew that those wins were mainly due to the HTC factor. That team wins, no matter who they bring to the race.

 

[roundabout]

That's true, but sometimes I get the feeling that it's not only the (lack of) leadout that is the problem for Greipel this year.

 

[Tuarts]

Apparently because of that tiny hill they had to tackle I guess he can only win when the stage is completely flat, without even 1 km of climbing...

Highly doubtful that we'll see him at the Giro this year. He would abandon it on the first climb...LOL

He'd be following in the footsteps of another Italian sprinter...

 

[Michielveedeebee]

He'd be following in the footsteps of another Italian sprinter...

Being? Cipo?

 

[El Pistolero]

OPL victories 2010: 7 (6 from Gilbert)

Greipel victories 2010: 20

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19 crap victories.
Phil achieved in this season alone Greipel's entire career ten fold. Nah, 100 fold.

Should have bought someone like Kreuziger or Breschel.

 

[lancaster]

19 crap victories.
Phil achieved in this season alone Greipel's entire career ten fold. Nah, 100 fold.

Should have bought someone like Kreuziger or Breschel.

because Brechel has had a better season than greipel?

(i don't disagree, griepel didn't offer value when they did the deal, just not sure matti breschel is the best choice of alternative.)

 

[Cobblestoned]

19 crap victories.
Phil achieved in this season alone Greipel's entire career ten fold. Nah, 100 fold.

Should have bought someone like Kreuziger or Breschel.

Senor El-no-tiene-sentido,
really fair to compare a sprinters' palmares with palmares of one of the best classics riders ever.
Especially fair, when Greipel actually never had the chance to ride the Tour.
btw, is winning green in Vuelta 09 also crap ?

Seems like you also forgot, that in M-SR, Andre rode his *** off for Flip.
Also important to mention that Andre rode and did quiet good at Roubaix, the real man's race, where Philippe shines by absence.

Of course Greipel had better starts into season, but Andre's season highlights are still to come and he changed his peaking and training a little bit, while it is also not easy to change team, especially considering that he rode at an absolute NR.1 sprinterteam - sprinters paradise when it comes to perfect support and leadout.

All that needs some time and is a factor, while it is far too early to judge Greipel's season and value for Omega.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Senor El-no-tiene-sentido,
really fair to compare a sprinters' palmares with palmares of one of the best classics riders ever.
Especially fair, when Greipel actually never had the chance to ride the Tour.
btw, is winning green in Vuelta 09 also crap ?

Seems like you also forgot, that in M-SR, Andre rode his *** off for Flip.
Also important to mention that Andre rode and did quiet good at Roubaix, the real man's race, where Philippe shines by absence.

Of course Greipel had better starts into season, but Andre's season highlights are still to come and he changed his peaking and training a little bit, while it is also not easy to change team, especially considering that he rode at an absolute NR.1 sprinterteam - sprinters paradise when it comes to perfect support and leadout.

All that needs some time and is a factor, while it is far too early to judge Greipel's season and value for Omega.

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Of course, I'm a homer for Cav, but then fortunately my guy is good.

 

[theyoungest]

19 crap victories.
Phil achieved in this season alone Greipel's entire career ten fold. Nah, 100 fold.

Should have bought someone like Kreuziger or Breschel.

Yes, Breschel is turning out to be quite the reinforcement for Rabo

 

[hrotha]

19 crap victories.
Phil achieved in this season alone Greipel's entire career ten fold. Nah, 100 fold.

Should have bought someone like Kreuziger or Breschel.

This is the most stupid comment of the day. Did you even stop to think about what the post you quoted was saying? It wasn't about Gilbert. It was about Lotto not being able to win without Gilbert, hence why they signed Greipel to fill a niche. Fanboy.

 

[El Pistolero]

This is the most stupid comment of the day. Did you even stop to think about what the post you quoted was saying? It wasn't about Gilbert. It was about Lotto not being able to win without Gilbert, hence why they signed Greipel to fill a niche. Fanboy.

Who cares about Greipel's victories?

Fanboy.

19 stage victories in races like Tour of Turkey don't even equal a victory in La Fleche Wallonne. Greipel can have an as good season as last year, it's not going to make OPL better as a team.

A sprinter like Greipel needs support, OPL ain't going to give it to him. Gilbert doesn't work for other people, he's not going to be part of a lead out train.

Do you think Gilbert was happy with the purchase of Greipel and some of Greipel's team mates? He openly said he wanted OPL to support him with better team mates.

Call it stupid all you want, but you're not going to make it in the news with stage victories in 2.1 or 2.2 races.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yes, Breschel is turning out to be quite the reinforcement for Rabo

I mean someone with the capabilities of said riders. Everyone can have injuries, including Greipel. OPL has a weak team for the cobbled classics, so instead of wasting cash on a sprinter they're never going to support with a lead out train(guess who needs one to win ), they should have bought some good cyclists on the cobbles and hills --> Breschel.

 

[hrotha]

You make it sound like they had to choose between Gilbert and Greipel. Guess what, they have both.

 

[El Pistolero]

You make it sound like they had to choose between Gilbert and Greipel. Guess what, they have both.

Choice between supporting Gilbert better and Greipel. Like I said, Gilbert was not happy with the team purchases this season.

I know what I would pick Especially because his contract runs out this year.

 

[roundabout]

After last week the obvious choice would be to back Gilbert. At the time Greipel was signed it made sense to have a very good sprinter and 3 people he's familiar with to help him live to the team's expectations.

 

[The Hitch]

A thread about a "**** small race" that doesnt include Gilbert, somehow turned into a discussion about Gilbert.

Who is responsible.

Let me guess

Senor El-no-tiene-sentido,
really fair to compare a sprinters' palmares with palmares of one of the best classics riders ever.
Especially fair, when Greipel actually never had the chance to ride the Tour.
btw, is winning green in Vuelta 09 also crap ?

Seems like you also forgot, that in M-SR, Andre rode his *** off for Flip.
Also important to mention that Andre rode and did quiet good at Roubaix, the real man's race, where Philippe shines by absence.

Of course Greipel had better starts into season, but Andre's season highlights are still to come and he changed his peaking and training a little bit, while it is also not easy to change team, especially considering that he rode at an absolute NR.1 sprinterteam - sprinters paradise when it comes to perfect support and leadout.

All that needs some time and is a factor, while it is far too early to judge Greipel's season and value for Omega.

I have to agree with most of this.

19 crap victories.
Phil achieved in this season alone Greipel's entire career ten fold. Nah, 100 fold.

Should have bought someone like Kreuziger or Breschel.

Gilberts been ok but Greipel will own the Tour. Only race that matters

This is the most stupid comment of the day. Did you even stop to think about what the post you quoted was saying? It wasn't about Gilbert. It was about Lotto not being able to win without Gilbert, hence why they signed Greipel to fill a niche. Fanboy.

I like the new Hrotha. more of an edge.

Who cares about Greipel's victories?

Fanboy.

19 stage victories in races like Tour of Turkey don't even equal a victory in La Fleche Wallonne. Greipel can have an as good season as last year, it's not going to make OPL better as a team.

A sprinter like Greipel needs support, OPL ain't going to give it to him. Gilbert doesn't work for other people, he's not going to be part of a lead out train.

Do you think Gilbert was happy with the purchase of Greipel and some of Greipel's team mates? He openly said he wanted OPL to support him with better team mates.

Call it stupid all you want, but you're not going to make it in the news with stage victories in 2.1 or 2.2 races.

The small races do matter. Sure not as much as FW but they still matter.

Also why did you call him a fanboy?

 

[Cobblestoned]

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,646


Of course, I'm a homer for Cav, but then fortunately my guy is good.

So, what is your message now ?
That Greipel is not good, and I am talking scheisse, just because Greipel and me come from same country, my postcount and my join date.
Aha.
Should I now answer "Cav-fanboy argues about Greipel" or "well, you are just an Inselaffe", to keep up to your great level, or should I again try to make some sense ? I prefer the latter.

Well, I am able to praise and judge any rider from any country. Just coming back from praising Gilbert and the brothers, and cycling is the wrong place for beeing just hyper-patriotic anyway. While actually, I could choose out of many possibilities or high level riders, to be hyper-patriotic or totally blinded by nationality - instead of bringing some facts and showing something like some "still healthy and reasonable" support for Greipel.

So, just to react with humor, and to insult you just a little bit:
What would you "homer" actually do and still have left in cycling, if there wasn't that boyracer from Isle of man ?
Just imagine he did actually become a crazy motorcycle-racer.
Of course, watching that computercontrolled sceleton-Wiggins rolling up the mountains, more or less, and seeing him regularly beeing beaten even in TTs - that is a real last alternative to beeing an absolute nonefactor in pro roadcycling with nothing left to cheer about.

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm just saying buying Greipel was a mistake. Who cares if Gilbert is the only one winning on that team. He alone gets more World Tour points than Garmin-Cervelo combined.

If you can't win sprints in small races like this then why even bother. You're not going to beat Cav at the Tour. I just don't think Greipel and OPL are a good mix.

 

[taiwan]

Compared to Brechel, Greipel's been, well, riding this season. And he'd clash with Gilbert more, too.