pro gear thread

[ray j willings]

Gokiso rims

Notice the minuscule gap between the edge of the rim and the tire? That’s by design, helping smooth air flow. But that’s just one of the benefits

 

[ray j willings]

Check the wielding. Incredible ,,,,,,smoooooooooooth baby

 

[42x16ss]

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I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

What's the brand? I'm from Oz and love the boutique/different stuff around

Johnson Cycles. The owner is an ex pro from Noosa. Here's the website www.johnsonbikes.com

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

My first road bike was a Caad 5. I wish I kept it. it was a beaut.

Can you post a photo of your race bike. Be great to see some indie race bikes on here


cheers Ray J

Sure, here it is:

It's a Johnson Esquire SL with 38mm FeatherLight carbon clinchers and 2015 Chorus.

Everything is in house except the groupset, saddle(pro logo) and stem (3T). Had it 3 months now and it hasn't missed a beat. The photo is from before the fit was dialled in, I can assure you that the spacers aren't there now

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

My first road bike was a Caad 5. I wish I kept it. it was a beaut.

Can you post a photo of your race bike. Be great to see some indie race bikes on here


cheers Ray J

Sure, here it is:

It's a Johnson Esquire SL with 38mm FeatherLight carbon clinchers and 2015 Chorus.

Everything is in house except the groupset, saddle(pro logo) and stem (3T). Had it 3 months now and it hasn't missed a beat. The photo is from before the fit was dialled in, I can assure you that the spacers aren't there now

That is very nice reminds of the old Parlee [ before they went all aero] Seat stays are really thin ,look great.
Are the forks in house ? Look like ENVE/EDGE.
If you get a chance post another photo or 2 with the fit dialled in.

Classy.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

My first road bike was a Caad 5. I wish I kept it. it was a beaut.

Can you post a photo of your race bike. Be great to see some indie race bikes on here


cheers Ray J

Sure, here it is:

It's a Johnson Esquire SL with 38mm FeatherLight carbon clinchers and 2015 Chorus.

Everything is in house except the groupset, saddle(pro logo) and stem (3T). Had it 3 months now and it hasn't missed a beat. The photo is from before the fit was dialled in, I can assure you that the spacers aren't there now

That is very nice reminds of the old Parlee [ before they went all aero] Seat stays are really thin ,look great.
Are the forks in house ? Look like ENVE/EDGE.
If you get a chance post another photo or 2 with the fit dialled in.

Classy.

Forks are in house, the frame is T1000 fibre. The seat stays and carbon bars help give a great ride. Much better than I expected

 

[wendybnt]

Re: Re:

I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

My first road bike was a Caad 5. I wish I kept it. it was a beaut.

Can you post a photo of your race bike. Be great to see some indie race bikes on here


cheers Ray J

Sure, here it is:

It's a Johnson Esquire SL with 38mm FeatherLight carbon clinchers and 2015 Chorus.

Everything is in house except the groupset, saddle(pro logo) and stem (3T). Had it 3 months now and it hasn't missed a beat. The photo is from before the fit was dialled in, I can assure you that the spacers aren't there now

Thank goodness for that. I was beginning to think you might have the leg to arm ratio of a gorilla

 

[Bustedknuckle]

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Check the wielding. Incredible ,,,,,,smoooooooooooth baby

Those welds looked dyna-filed..smoothed post welding but yes, pretty.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Gokiso stuff. For the hubs, we covered their technology a couple years ago in great detail and with videos, but the short of it is that the ribs suspend the spoke flanges and allow for micro movements. Internally, a slotted sleeve acts like a leaf spring to add a tiny bit more movement, all while keeping the hub adequately stiff.
video of these amazing hubs in action http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/03/05/nahbs-2013-gokisos-amazing-suspension-bicycle-hubs/

Did I convert that right? 650,000 JYN for these-$5400??

 

[ray j willings]

Fudging expensive
I got them priced at AU$7,000 for the Super Climber hubset, AU$2,800 for the Climber hubset, and AU$2,260 for the base hubset

£3500 or $5500 US. depending on exchange rate for the super climber hubs.
I will say that again JUST HUBS ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Fudging expensive
I got them priced at AU$7,000 for the Super Climber hubset, AU$2,800 for the Climber hubset, and AU$2,260 for the base hubset

£3500 or $5500 US. depending on exchange rate for the super climber hubs.
I will say that again JUST HUBS ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Holy momma, will you actually be using the cassette to its full potential?

 

[42x16ss]

Fudging expensive
I got them priced at AU$7,000 for the Super Climber hubset, AU$2,800 for the Climber hubset, and AU$2,260 for the base hubset

£3500 or $5500 US. depending on exchange rate for the super climber hubs.
I will say that again JUST HUBS ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Holy momma, will you actually be using the cassette to its full potential?

Cycling tips tested them and said that they're absolutely phenomenal. Not nearly worth the price difference over lightweight or AX lightness, let alone the rest of the market but certainly the best the there is.

 

[ray j willings]

When you look at the way they just fly with the air gun ,Bonkers
If I had the cash I would be tempted.
Why don't we all chip in make a set of wheels and share them

found this review
Rather than bombard you with technical jargon that could be read on the website I will just tell you my honest opinion.

They FLY! Rollup is superb, pedaling on flats it feels as though you are cheating. While drafting behind someone into a headwind one could not pedal and save every ounce of effort for the red kite. The freehub also gives a distinct yet subtle noise that sings mechanical efficiency.

The wheel set I've used for a total of two months now is a mix of an 80mm rear and 50mm front, carbon clinchers. Despite being put into the category of an aero wheelset, due to the butter smooth bearings (two on each side of the hub, mind you) it was every bit as capable as my lightest climbers.

While sprinting the wheels responded to every swing of the hammer. Another thing of note by any wheel connoisseur is how fast the freehub engages the hub body. As soon as the foot strikes the pedal the cassette introduces forward motion to the wheel. This happens because of the 4 pauls and 92 teeth that they engage. Superb I tell you! The icing on this hub cake is brought in the form of smoothness brought on by the spring structured shock absorbing elastic body suspension. You truly feel the difference, I kid you not. 　

I also appreciated the mix of sizes between the carbon wheels. An 80mm in the front is a little shifty in a crosswind so putting a 50mm off the front is perfect for getting an aero wheel without compromise. The aesthetics of the carbon wheels is what stands out the most. The decals are printed on the rim and are able to withstand cleaning and the matte black fits in with any bike. Of course there is the super pro feeling and look that a deep set of rims gives. As they say, Bella in selle!

http://www.gsastuto.com/

 

[King Boonen]

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Aero geometry, making even Cervélo create ugly bikes.

All this aero stuff just does not work in real racing.

To be fair fella, that's completely wrong. It does work and it works very well. Whether it's the difference between a win and a loss is impossible to tell though.

Hi KB, IMO If your in a race you are not going to be sitting at the front in ideal conditions i.e. a wind tunnel like scenario. There will be cross winds braking, slowing down speeding up. For most part the best riders sit in the peloton behind their teammates getting a easier ride, There would be no benefits at all in that circumstance, The benefit comes from sucking a wheel.
If they really were that good climbers would use them then switch to a climbing bike for the last big climb. They don't. They don't make enough difference.
Those are my thoughts/views. check this out. Take into consideration the points about wheels etc. These can make the difference not just the frame. But it does prove your point to some extent. If your Tony Martin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz52XW6CMM

Err... That video just shows that actually aero does work and of course wheels are included in that. You said aero stuff, I assumed you meant wheels down to handlebars and even pedals.

It doesn't matter if you are in the pack or out front, if you are travelling through air then you are fighting against air resistance. If you are then going over 18mph (which I think is the low-limit) aero components will be quicker than non-aero (we'll get to lightweight later) at the same time. This is a proven fact, it's physics. The amount of effect obviously varies in different situations and of course there are confounding factors that will affect choices, such as G-W winds, but all else being equal, aero components do work.


Lightweight is a different issue. Of course if you shed almost three kilos from a bike it's going to have a massive effect, particularly on climbing, but that's against the UCI regs and that's what these aero bits are designed for. I would be interested to see if it had a positive effect on top riders, but we won't see them on those bikes.

As for climbers not wanting to switch bikes, there can be several reasons for that, not least that they ride pretty much what they are told and what they are used to. The fact climbers don't use them doesn't mean they don't work. Almost every sprinter these days uses an aero helmet and a skinsuit, so I could just as easily say that is proof that aero DOES work.

Fact is, numbers don't lie. All things being equal (or close to equal) aero is quicker. Whether it wins races is impossible to tell, but it works.

 

[ray j willings]

Hey KB check this out , very interesting ,,,your not wrong


http://freetrispeed.com/2013/10/02/the-myth-of-aero-bike-frames-a-case-study-in-engineering-jargon-and-marketing/

 

[King Boonen]

Hey KB check this out , very interesting ,,,your not wrong


http://freetrispeed.com/2013/10/02/the-myth-of-aero-bike-frames-a-case-study-in-engineering-jargon-and-marketing/

Yep, it works but for the average rider it's pretty pointless. To be fair, I'll even argue that lightweight is pointless for the average rider, you should choose a bike based on use and comfort (I only got one of those right...) and that's why i only ride steel.

And as he said, it might have been the difference for Millar but it's impossible to know as you can't run the exact same race with the exact same variables (breaks, splits, weather and so on) again with him on a different bike.

If I was seriously racing I'd have a Cervelo. Even saving a couple of watts over the whole of a race (I would always argue bikes should be talked about in terms of being less energy expensive than quicker, but that doesn't sell frames ) might be enough for me to bag an extra place so it'd be worth it even if you can conclusively prove it was the difference. But for what I do I much prefer the comfort of my steel bikes

 

[ray j willings]

Hey KB check this out , very interesting ,,,your not wrong


http://freetrispeed.com/2013/10/02/the-myth-of-aero-bike-frames-a-case-study-in-engineering-jargon-and-marketing/

Yep, it works but for the average rider it's pretty pointless. To be fair, I'll even argue that lightweight is pointless for the average rider, you should choose a bike based on use and comfort (I only got one of those right...) and that's why i only ride steel.

And as he said, it might have been the difference for Millar but it's impossible to know as you can't run the exact same race with the exact same variables (breaks, splits, weather and so on) again with him on a different bike.

If I was seriously racing I'd have a Cervelo. Even saving a couple of watts over the whole of a race (I would always argue bikes should be talked about in terms of being less energy expensive than quicker, but that doesn't sell frames ) might be enough for me to bag an extra place so it'd be worth it even if you can conclusively prove it was the difference. But for what I do I much prefer the comfort of my steel bikes

Considering your bonkers [ in a good way] fixed wheel exploits no can argue with you.
I tried ,,,,but I was defeated

 

[King Boonen]

Hey KB check this out , very interesting ,,,your not wrong


http://freetrispeed.com/2013/10/02/the-myth-of-aero-bike-frames-a-case-study-in-engineering-jargon-and-marketing/

Yep, it works but for the average rider it's pretty pointless. To be fair, I'll even argue that lightweight is pointless for the average rider, you should choose a bike based on use and comfort (I only got one of those right...) and that's why i only ride steel.

And as he said, it might have been the difference for Millar but it's impossible to know as you can't run the exact same race with the exact same variables (breaks, splits, weather and so on) again with him on a different bike.

If I was seriously racing I'd have a Cervelo. Even saving a couple of watts over the whole of a race (I would always argue bikes should be talked about in terms of being less energy expensive than quicker, but that doesn't sell frames ) might be enough for me to bag an extra place so it'd be worth it even if you can conclusively prove it was the difference. But for what I do I much prefer the comfort of my steel bikes

Considering your bonkers [ in a good way] fixed wheel exploits no can argue with you.
I tried ,,,,but I was defeated

Just makes it easier to dismiss me as a crackpot

 

[King Boonen]

Not sure if this link works, will post more when it's on their website. Suffice to say I want it!!

 

[ray j willings]

Carbon fixed bikes

 

[BigMac]

Beautifuly odd fork, KB.

My turn, Lynskey <3. Ti.

 

[ray j willings]

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Beautifuly odd fork, KB.

My turn, Lynskey <3. Ti.

That's a beaut, I love the red spokes . Very classy.

 

[King Boonen]

Nice bikes, Dosnoventa make a SSCX frame I really want but their prices for aluminium are insane.

that Lynskey is very nice.

 

[StryderHells]

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Beautifuly odd fork, KB.

My turn, Lynskey <3. Ti.

That's a beaut, I love the red spokes . Very classy.

Usually not a fan of red spokes but it just works on this bike, perfectly understated in every way that the red spokes just give it that little bit of razzle dazzle to make it stand out

 

[StryderHells]

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I've always enjoyed my Cannondales (I've had 4 - one team, 3 personal). Reasonable value, excellent all round race bikes. No gimmicks.

The only reason my main race bike isn't a Cannondale any more is because a friend has started his own brand.

What's the brand? I'm from Oz and love the boutique/different stuff around

Johnson Cycles. The owner is an ex pro from Noosa. Here's the website http://www.johnsonbikes.com

Sweet thank for that! Some great looking stuff there and the prices aren't to bad, do you know where they source the frames from? The Esquire? Looks a lot like one of those Hongfu FM066 frames, mind you those frames aren't exactly original in design
Oh and you're bike is gorgeous matey