Proof of government doping program in Russia

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http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/summer/athletics/1024339-current-athletics-doping-allegations-up-there-with-ben-johnson-scandal-claims-coe
Coe is upset
"It's been described as a bad week for athletics - I would go further, it's been a ghastly week," he added.

"None of us should hide or shy away from that, we have to bring this tawdry, sorry episode and any of those allegations to a close as quickly as we can."
"Nobody at the IAAF has seen a list, what we understand is that this German journalist may have shown some people in the press a list of names, but nobody knows what this list is and the suspicion is that this list is not what this German journalist is purporting it to be."
Lists of athletes names, htc, hgb and ret count with names like "red list" often are just grocery shopping lists, especially if they come from people at the IAAF anti doping departement.
 
neineinei said:
http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/summer/athletics/1024339-current-athletics-doping-allegations-up-there-with-ben-johnson-scandal-claims-coe
Coe is upset




Lists of athletes names, htc, hgb and ret count with names like "red list" often are just grocery shopping lists, especially if they come from people at the IAAF anti doping departement.
I heard the interview with Lord Seb live, it sounded completely unconvincing.

Lord Seb is also the man strongly suspected of wanting to extend Chambers ban after Dwain wrote a book describing his drugs taking, apparently Dwain wrote some info on Coe's private life in his book (all stuff already in public domain though)

http://www.globerunner.org/index.php/03/honestly/

On that score, my spies in Torino for the European indoors tell me that the person most responsible for pushing further punishment for Chambers was Sebastian Coe, incandescent at the myriad revelations about his private life. None of this is news, since it has been reported before. But getting it all assembled in half a dozen pages, as Chambers has done, has clearly enraged the good Lord.
 
BullsFan22 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/07/sports/soccer/Doping-Study-Throws-Shadow-Over-Germanys-Success.html?_r=0

I wonder how this journalist will spin that one and when and how he'll look at his own country for systematic doping. Remember, it's easier to attack foreigners than your own, and as we know from the past, Germans are very good at it.
The writer wants a FIFA press pass. Can you imagine trying to cover football for the NYT without a press pass? His editor would probably look for a new writer.
 
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DirtyWorks said:
"to bring this to a close as quickly as possible"

That's the goal. Shut the story down. Silence is required so the IAAF can get back to being a thoroughly corrupt sports federation.
Doping getting headlines is always bad for buisness.

Pretty telling that the IAAF and WADA are both trying to make this go away rather than actually dealing with the problem.

What hope is there for a clean sport really?
 
the sceptic said:
What hope is there for a clean sport really?
Because some idiot is always pushing the cheating line and when it gets really bad, the story breaks wide and prompts some reform. IMO, the Internet helps things along because those interested in cleaner sports get to discuss it.

If the sport is not reformed, then it loses money and eventually relevance/fans/viewers/participants.

We'll still be having a similar conversation 20 years from now, and hopefully by then we'll be real close to WADA having some authority to open cases on athletes and some authority over sports federations. Either that, or the IOC will be much, much smaller, like Asian Beach Games small.
 
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Soccer looks less clean today than I believed it to be. The odd player risking a stimulant was bound to be in the system. But soccer’s defense was, and is, that it requires quick reactions as well as stamina, and that no single drug gives you both.
Huh. Is there some mysterious reason as to why soccer players would be unable to take more than one, single drug then? I don't understand the argument. If it can't fit in one pill, then it doesn't exist? :confused:
And it's not like EPO makes you slower. More stamina actually gives you faster reactions, as you don't tire as quickly. And we all know that being tired makes you less alert.
 
Resurecting this to summarize some more stuff, maybe it has been posted already.

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.180

Thanks to that link, the how of never testing positive is a little clearer.

The athlete gets a unique sample number. That number is sent to Portugalov. This closes the loop on the never testing positive. T
The sample can be identified and manipulated at the lab. Switching samples, not entering correct results in the APMU, This would be good money for a mere lab technician.

A known method of never testing positive is testing the athlete prior to departing to an international event. If they test positive then they don't go to the meet. No positive. USOC was doing exactly this and was the reason why WADA was created in the first place. JADCO was rumored to operate similarly.

In another case, Melinkov, performance coach of Russian athletics, can make the positive go away. If it was the case the track and field federation was doing the testing, then this is easy. He just tells the Track and Field doping administrator to not open a case. This is how Contador's case should have gone, but for Seppelt's phone call. This is probably how favored cyclists never test positive both domestically and internationally.

It reads like favored athletes are not tested out of competition. At least in cycling the UCI goes through the motions of entering samples for WT riders.
 
DirtyWorks said:
Resurecting this to summarize some more stuff, maybe it has been posted already.

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.180

Thanks to that link, the how of never testing positive is a little clearer.

The athlete gets a unique sample number. That number is sent to Portugalov. This closes the loop on the never testing positive. T
The sample can be identified and manipulated at the lab. Switching samples, not entering correct results in the APMU, This would be good money for a mere lab technician.

A known method of never testing positive is testing the athlete prior to departing to an international event. If they test positive then they don't go to the meet. No positive. USOC was doing exactly this and was the reason why WADA was created in the first place. JADCO was rumored to operate similarly.

In another case, Melinkov, performance coach of Russian athletics, can make the positive go away. If it was the case the track and field federation was doing the testing, then this is easy. He just tells the Track and Field doping administrator to not open a case. This is how Contador's case should have gone, but for Seppelt's phone call. This is probably how favored cyclists never test positive both domestically and internationally.



It reads like favored athletes are not tested out of competition. At least in cycling the UCI goes through the motions of entering samples for WT riders.
Interesting. To me, it's nothing different from what the UCI has done with Armstrong and quite possibly many other stars and scrubbing away positives and keeping everyone quiet with $$$ and who knows what else. Another identical case is Carl Lewis. Dude had numerous positives, yet the IOC and USATF protected him because he was THE star at the time and later became a legend with those Olympic gold medals. Marion Jones is something similar as well, but she actually got jail time for lying about her drug use in court. Wonder when they'll put all those MLB players that lied in court about not doping (McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, etc). I don't see anything different in these sports that I am seeing within Russian sports. Like I said though, it's much easier to scrutinize and punish Russians than Americans, even when they are doing the same things.
 
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The internal testing before any international appearance fits perfectly with the pattern of various Russian athletes running very fast at home, seasons best etc, but then not turning up for the diamond leauge meetings or the European championships, Worlds or Olympics.

It also puts Reedies praise of Chinas "no international postives" where it belongs.
 
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neineinei said:
The internal testing before any international appearance fits perfectly with the pattern of various Russian athletes running very fast at home, seasons best etc, but then not turning up for the diamond leauge meetings or the European championships, Worlds or Olympics.

It also puts Reedies praise of Chinas "no international postives" where it belongs.
good point.

generally, athletes glowing like a christmas tree, then pulling out (or being pulled out by their fed) by faking an injury is no doubt a widespread phenomenon in prosport these days.
 
Just to open up the casual reader's mind about how deep the IAAF corruption really goes, former USATF chair of USA Track & Field’s Athletes Advisory Committee was just given an 8 year ban for assisting Tyson Gay in doping.

The guy's coaching entries at wikipedia scream doper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Drummond

Yet another national doping program.

Here's another international federation rep working with Ferrari: http://www.ski-nordique.net/dopage-le-vice-president-de-libu-inquiete.5640972-72348.html Thank you for the link FrenchFry!
 
Dont know if this has been mentioned but there is a translation of an Interview in the link with Yuliya Stepanova

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6189827

Yuliya Stepanova is the star witness of the doping scandal in Russia.

To name names and to show pictures of dopers seems to be dangerous. The 28-year-old 800-meter runner has left her home country Russia with her husband Vitaliy and the couple's son.

"You're a middle distance runner and banned until the end of January for doping. How did this happen?"

I've been banned for abnormal blood values. I had taken Epo. I confessed it nearly two years ago in a letter to the Wada (World Anti-Doping Agency). I wrote in it, how the Russian national team coach provided me with Epo and how Dr. Portugalov, chief of the Medical Commission of the Russian Federation, instructed me to dope.

"Why do you spill the beans in the ARD documentation and right here now?"

My husband Vitaliy and I want to bring the truth to light. No one has ever said I had to take it. But I wanted to be an athlete, and everyone said that if I wanted to be a top athlete, I would have to cooperate. They said that it's practised all over the world. In Russia they say: Laws are made to be broken, and many follow this device. There are rules, and there is the real life.

"In the film it can be seen how you're handed various doping substances by your coach. Did you take anything else before you started Epo doping?"

In Russia, it's called the cocktail. It contains various substances: Epo for endurance, steroids for power and other stuff.

"And everyone is in it?"

Officials and coaches say that the steroids were much stronger in the eighties. The say that the athletes of that era are all well, there are no side effects, many have children. My coach in Kursk, my hometown, was Vladimir Mokhnev. He was steeple chaser in the Soviet era and took steroids himself. Look at me, he says. I am fit and healthy.

"That sounds ominous."

He has no medical training. He gave out steroids and EPO according to hearsay; he did not really know how to do it. For heavy doses of steroids, I got so hard muscles that I assumed that they had grown. But I could not run. Sometimes I could not train ten days until the muscles returned. The same with Epo: He said what dosage I should take, but I did not know how. First he injected the substances, then myself.

"Was it different in the national team?"

I was supervised by Sergey Portugalov, the head of the Medical Commission. He has extensive experience in various sports. That's why I called him Professor. If you know how to do it, you do not have to train so hard. At the national level, I have much more improved than under my first coach.

"Did you ever fear for yourself and the children you wanted?"

You always hear: Don't worry, everything is fine. Then you do not worry. I thought it was normal to have seven to ten days of hard muscles after taking steroids. I thought that every athlete has to go through this all for his development. In 2006, I became very ill, and the coach predicted that I would never again be able to run fast. But my doctor promised me that I would get well and would run faster than before. You know that steroids are used as medicines. At the time I took it for the first time; the doctor found that they helped. I started to train and built up force.

"How old were you?"

I started late with sport, with seventeen. At that time I was almost twenty-two.

"How did you learn about doping?"

When I was fifteen seconds slower at junior championships than the best in the 800 meters, I was told that the runners take banned substances. It's like the system shows you that you go to your coach and ask for the stuff: Hey, I want to be among the best and not trailing behind for one hundred meters! Always you're told that your own skills last only to a certain point. For the rest you need help. This is doping.

"Did you take growth hormones?"

When I was training regionally, my coach did not know how to use it. These substances are also expensive. In 2008, we tried growth hormones for a week. But because the coach did not know how to do it, we saw no effect. Since then I haven't taken any of it. In the National Team they approved of it. Coaches and officials considered it as potential for my development.

"It is common?"

In Russia they say growth hormones are practically undetectable. You can detect it just for one day. I recorded a conversation of athletes saying, to have effects, you need to apply growth hormones for three to four months.

"When did your attitude change?"

When you hear that this system exists all over the world, you believe that you must join in. When I asked Portugalov about it, he said, if you do what I say, you'll never be caught. I asked why people in Russia and other countries are banned, and he replied that these people probably acted unprofessionally; on their own and not within the system of their country.

"He has not protected anyway?"

In early 2013 national coach Melnikov called. We have here a paper, he said, stating that you are banned because of the values ​​in your biological passport. I say: That's impossible. I did exactly what you told me. And you carry on after causing me this trouble? Things happen, he said, we're sorry, now sign and keep on relaxing for two years!

"How did Portugalov react?"

The International Association of Athletics Federations had previously sent documents to the Russian Federation with suspicious values ​​of Russian athletes. In 2012 I was among them. Portugalov sent a text message: Sorry, I changed my job, I don't do that anymore. From then on, he was no longer accessible to me. I only communicated with Melnikov.

"What about your values?"

In early 2011 they were really abnormal. In 2012 rumors began to start that I could be banned. But I wasn't banned until early 2013. For two years I was able to keep on training and taking part in competitions, although they knew with 99.9 percent certainty that I was doped. I'm not the only one who was in such a situation. The whole control system of the IAAF doesn't make any sense to me.

"What do you think: Why doesn't the World Association respond?"

Doped athletes run faster. Maybe faster times are better commercialised.

"You married in 2009 - of all people a man of the National Anti-Doping Agency Rusada. How could you go on?"

I had learned that you can't do without doping. My times were getting better all the time. Vitaliy worked for the Rusada, he frowned on doping. The turning point that really united us was the ban in early 2013. The one disappeared, the other said he did not really know how the blood pass works. This hurt me. Just sign, Melnikov said. His attitude was: If you come back in two years, there will be a steroid-pass, and we will not know how to handle it. Then a lot of athletes will be banned again, but how can we be blamed for it?

"Your consequence?"

We decided to talk to the Wada. There was no point to talk to Rusada, they all collaborate. We wrote e-mails, then we met with their staff.

"Did the Wada encourage you to carry on with the national team, in order to obtain evidence?"

Of course they wanted to know how it works. We told them the truth. But these were just words and no hard evidence. The first thing the people of the Wada said was: Care for your safety. Doping is doping, but don't harm yourself. I knew that I must prove what I say.

"You made ​​recordings of Melnikov and Portugalov advising you and handing out doping stuff to you. You filmed the 800-meter Olympic champion Mariya Savinova talking about her experience with the doping substance Oxandrolone."

These were all lies, says the President of the Russian Federation Valentin Balakhnichev. The association wants to sue us. But we have evidence. Much more than the German television showed. You just cannot continuously show sixty minutes of proofs.

"Did you achieve your goal?"

The most important thing was to attract attention with the documentation. We hope that now someone from the IAAF or the Wada will contact us in order to view the entire material. So far that has not yet happened.

"Both organizations say they're investigating."

We sometimes joke about it. Which investigations? Until now no one has asked us to provide our recordings. What we would do without saying.

"When did you stop doping?"

2013. I was pregnant, our son was born in November 2013. In May 2014 I started training again.

"How did you master the coolness filming coaches, doctors and athletes, while they practised doping?"

I was not cold-blooded. Every time I recorded something with my phone, I was nervous. Especially when people looked at the phone, I worried every time about them getting suspicious. That would have brought us into great trouble in Russia. I'm not a cheater. I've made mistakes, but for a good future I have to make sacrifices. This was one. I have learned to act like James Bond.

"Are you in danger?"

We left Russia. Today we feel safe. What is in the future, I don't know. No one knows the consequences of this story. If more athletes turn against the fraud scheme, the situation could get out of control there.

"Did you have support while you were in Russia?"

The greatest support was that the Wada believed us and that Hajo Seppelt of the German television believed us. We knew what we did this for.
 
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That is grim reading and had the ring of truth. The Olympics and most of pro sport is such a sham, I really think clean sport is an impossible dream
 
ralphbert said:
That is grim reading and had the ring of truth. The Olympics and most of pro sport is such a sham, I really think clean sport is an impossible dream
Yes good to see the IAAF right on the case :rolleyes:

The most important thing was to attract attention with the documentation. We hope that now someone from the IAAF or the Wada will contact us in order to view the entire material. So far that has not yet happened.
 
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thehog said:
The US were blood doping in '84. Back then it was legal. It's not just the Russians involved in such things.
indeed.
let's get back to your previous point.
the study (at least that photo that we're seeing) is written in perfect english, and speaks about "the Russian athletes" rather than about "our athletes" or "in our country" or something.
Iow, this is clearly not an old Soviet report.
 
I shall preface this post by stating: I am not now,
nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist
Party or any Communist organisation.

However, my friends, there was a time when I did
frequent a Communist Bookstore on a monthly basis
to pick up (a translated edition of) a Russian sports
magazine I subscribed to. I would also check to see
if there were any newly translated sports books or
coaching manuals for purchase or to order.

One of those books that I still regularly refer to is
Fundamental of Sports Training by L. Matveyev.
It was first published in 1977 but I have the 1981
English translation of the revised Russian edition.
It was printed in the USSR by Progress Publishers.

It those days you could buy Barum track tyres from
Soviet riders but none ever offered to sell any books
or magazines, at least not to me. I used to really
like those slick Barums.
 
oldcrank said:
I shall preface this post by stating: I am not now,
nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist
Party or any Communist organisation.

However, my friends, there was a time when I did
frequent a Communist Bookstore on a monthly basis
to pick up (a translated edition of) a Russian sports
magazine I subscribed to. I would also check to see
if there were any newly translated sports books or
coaching manuals for purchase or to order.

One of those books that I still regularly refer to is
Fundamental of Sports Training by L. Matveyev.
It was first published in 1977 but I have the 1981
English translation of the revised Russian edition.
It was printed in the USSR by Progress Publishers.

It those days you could buy Barum track tyres from
Soviet riders but none ever offered to sell any books
or magazines, at least not to me. I used to really
like those slick Barums.
I used to read the Soviet Sports Journal many years ago, way back in the 90's. Apparently it was leaked out of Russia and translated from Cyrillic into dog breakfast English.

But what we see above is 2nd, 3rd hand material.
 
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