Proof of government doping program in Russia

[neineinei]

Our graphic highlights the shocking extent of how many competitors recorded "suspicious" blood values across the world of athletics.

The explosive list of athletes, independently sourced by Telegraph Sport, was revealed on Tuesday to include the name of one of Britain’s biggest stars, along with two other British runners.

Further analysis of the documents shows that many more of the best-known names in the sport provided suspicious blood samples that may not have been acted upon, with the list including a staggering 58 Russians and 25 Kenyans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...l-where-the-suspected-athletes-come-from.html

 

[Benotti69]

Verburggen and McQuaid's good friend, WADA President Craig Reedie, says he can't do anything about Russia lab or RUSADA.

 

[neineinei]

Further analysis of the documents shows that many more of the best-known names in the sport provided suspicious blood samples which may not have been acted upon, with the list including: 225 athletes from 39 countries; three Britons, as well as a staggering 58 Russians and 25 Kenyans; three London 2012 champions and scores of gold medallists from other Olympics and major championships, current and former world record holders, and winners of marathons around the world; competitors over distances from 400 metres upwards on track, road and cross-country, as well as multi-event athletes; and several athletes banned for doping.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...es-have-been-dragged-into-doping-scandal.html

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...l-where-the-suspected-athletes-come-from.html

So, as many have been saying all along, those with the most money can afford the best doctors/doping programs.

 

[thehog]

So, as many have been saying all along, those with the most money can afford the best doctors/doping programs.

I note also there is a correlation with "remoteness".

The harder to test etc. and the more distant the location is the more suspicious blood values.

Tiede anyone?

 

[MrRoboto]

Impressively few americans. Although they are mostly into shorter distances.

 

[JimmyFingers]

So, as many have been saying all along, those with the most money can afford the best doctors/doping programs.

Yes, they are all skint in Russia

 

[DirtyWorks]

Impressively few americans. Although they are mostly into shorter distances.

The regular message at Letsrun.com is USATF is a joke with Nike some kind of dark force driving the federation's decisions. The Russian story highlights the many opportunities the federations have to never test positive. I don't follow athletics closely enough, but, you might find when elite Americans get popped, it's out of country.

Also worth mentioning, the JADCO scandal that was never quite fully explained other than "testing was non-existent."

Kenya is the opposite of a surprise. There is no other explanation for distance runners appearing in elite races, then disappearing, only to be replaced immediately by another than doping.

 

[neineinei]

Seppelt: "We can say that more than 90% of the athletes on our list have never been sanctioned and have never been the subject of a target test."

http://www1.skysports.com/athletics...-maker-fears-doping-allegations-hard-to-prove

 

[neineinei]

The graphics of suspicious blood values (from 2006-2008) fits pretty good with the athletics bio passport sanctions (2009 up), at least when it comes to Russia. But other things doesn't match; no Spanish athletes has been banned in bio passport cases in athletics, no Rumanians, only one Greek, but the big difference is in East Africa. There has been no bio passport bans for either Ethiopia or Kenya. Another hint the bio passport testing isn't working there at all.

 

[sniper]

So, as many have been saying all along, those with the most money can afford the best doctors/doping programs.

generally, yes, but some of the map's data don't necessarily confirm it, e.g. the few positives in south america and west/south africa.
or how to explain the 19 positives in portugal+spain vs. only 4 in italy (roughly same population size and income)
but as a tendency that statement is indeed nicely confirmed on the map so it seems.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The graphics of suspicious blood values (from 2006-2008) fits pretty good with the athletics bio passport sanctions (2009 up), at least when it comes to Russia. But other things doesn't match; no Spanish athletes has been banned in bio passport cases in athletics, no Rumanians, only one Greek, but the big difference is in East Africa. There has been no bio passport bans for either Ethiopia or Kenya. Another hint the bio passport testing isn't working there at all.

If my recollection of the report is correct, IAAF is passing positives off to the national federation where some collect dust.

I'm very interested to know some more about how exactly the treasury secretary manipulates sanctions. Or, if he was just a proxy for Diack. (likely given Diack's son is behind the "mailbox company" in China.

Also interesting that the bribes were not 100% successful. Lots of moving parts to never testing positive at the IAAF.

 

[Benotti69]

Latest list of all Russian sportsmen and sportswomen serving doping bans
http://www.rusada.ru/sites/default/files/content/files/Ineligibility(28).pdf

200+ and counting...

Menchov not on the list.

It points to the rest of the world also doping as much.

 

[Benotti69]

IAAF’s most senior anti-doping official, Dr Gabriel Dollé, leaves job

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...i-doping-official-dr-gabriel-dolle-leaves-job

Dr Gabriel Dollé, the director of the medical and anti-doping department at the International Association of Athletics Federations, was an important figure in the body, with the job of overseeing all doping-related aspects of IAAF events, athletes and associated matters. The Frenchman was also responsible for working closely with the World Anti-Doping Agency and other national anti-doping agencies.

 

[the sceptic]

Latest list of all Russian sportsmen and sportswomen serving doping bans
http://www.rusada.ru/sites/default/files/content/files/Ineligibility(28).pdf

200+ and counting...

Menchov not on the list.

It points to the rest of the world also doping as much.

isn't his ban up soon? Maybe Vino can sign him up

 

[Benotti69]

isn't his ban up soon? Maybe Vino can sign him up

Vino, Riis, Brailsford, Vaughters, Lefevere............

 

[thehog]

Yuliya says that when she competed at Russian nationals, she knew she was doped. She had to go to the RUSADA control.

Portugalov told her that she is very likely to get tested since she will be in the top 3.

“After control you get a pink form with with a number on it. Portugalov told her to send him a SMS with that number, “then you can sleep without worries”.

Seppelt gets his hands on a paper that was signed by none other than Vladimir Putin in 2010 (then Prime minister of Russia).

This paper is a decree for foreign doping controllers. It explicitly states that transport and export of urine and blood out of Russia, need special permissions and probe can even be opened at border.

This of course implies that they want to make sure that nothing gets out to WADA.

http://www.allthingsgym.com/german-documentary-systematic-russian-doping/

 

[neineinei]

Menchovs case wasn't handed over to the Russians, they have probably not ratified it. UCI handled the case themselves, for some unexplained reason. "Complex situation with legal complications" or somthing like that Cookson said. Maybe IAAF would describe the Liliya Shobukhova case as "legally complicated and complex" too.

 

[neineinei]

German journalist Hajo Seppelt said he is prepared to make a second documentary about doping in Russian sport after saying his first has led to more evidence being unveiled.

"To be honest we did not plan a sequel, however, people are sending us more and more evidence to back the claim that there is systematic doping in Russian sport," Seppelt told the Russian website Championat.com on Friday.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...equel-after-new-evidence-unveiled/513244.html

 

[thehog]

Menchovs case wasn't handed over to the Russians, they have probably not ratified it. UCI handled the case themselves, for some unexplained reason. "Complex situation with legal complications" or somthing like that Cookson said. Maybe IAAF would describe the Liliya Shobukhova case as "legally complicated and complex" too.

I believe it's an independently complex complicated case that is best buried deep within a PDF file somewhere on the Internet in the name of transparency and openness.

However we take these matters very seriously and will look into them if we find a way to blame Lance Armstrong.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Menchovs case wasn't handed over to the Russians, they have probably not ratified it. UCI handled the case themselves, for some unexplained reason. "Complex situation with legal complications" or somthing like that Cookson said.

Makarov would have put the positive down a deep, dark, hole. Why the positive lived anyway is probably fun, petty politics.

 

[BullsFan22]

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...equel-after-new-evidence-unveiled/513244.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/07/s...Throws-Shadow-Over-Germanys-Success.html?_r=0

I wonder how this journalist will spin that one and when and how he'll look at his own country for systematic doping. Remember, it's easier to attack foreigners than your own, and as we know from the past, Germans are very good at it.

 

[PeterB]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/07/s...Throws-Shadow-Over-Germanys-Success.html?_r=0

I wonder how this journalist will spin that one and when and how he'll look at his own country for systematic doping. Remember, it's easier to attack foreigners than your own, and as we know from the past, Germans are very good at it.

Are you suggesting that Seppelt should investigate doping also in Germany and not only in other countries? Just check his previous work http://hajoseppelt.de/english/references and maybe you find out that what you know about German doping you know thanks to him...

 

[sniper]

Are you suggesting that Seppelt should investigate doping also in Germany and not only in other countries? Just check his previous work http://hajoseppelt.de/english/references and maybe you find out that what you know about German doping you know thanks to him...

i don't doubt that.
he's one of the best doping reporters out there.
it would be great if at some point he would look into, or drop a hint with regards to, (a) doping in German soccer (e.g. mueller wohlfahrt) and (b) why the public was not not allowed to view the results of a longrunning investigation into doping in Germany (i reeked of a cover-up directed from higher up).
It's time for those countries who put themselves on moral high horses (Germany, Britain, to name just two) to come under the scrutiny of a guy like Seppelt.

 

[Granville57]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/07/s...Throws-Shadow-Over-Germanys-Success.html?_r=0

I wonder how this journalist will spin that one and when and how he'll look at his own country for systematic doping. Remember, it's easier to attack foreigners than your own, and as we know from the past, Germans are very good at it.

The naiveté on display there from writer Rob Hughes is staggering (although all too typical).

It is bad enough being a New York Yankees follower, now that Alex Rodriguez is finally discredited...

Yeah, cuz he's the only one on the team that ever doped.

The study goes into the whole pharmacy of drugs used to corrupt sporting performance — including anabolic steroids and testosterone.

Say it isn't so!

Soccer looks less clean today than I believed it to be. The odd player risking a stimulant was bound to be in the system. But soccer’s defense was, and is, that it requires quick reactions as well as stamina, and that no single drug gives you both.

Huh. Is there some mysterious reason as to why soccer players would be unable to take more than one, single drug then? I don't understand the argument. If it can't fit in one pill, then it doesn't exist?


It's no wonder that guilty athletes offer up the most ridiculous excuses to the press—most of the reporters are anxiously awaiting anything that will allow them to preserve their childhood dreams.