Protest against Cavendish

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Divine Intervention said:
Cav apologised to Thor Hushovd in person and said he was a worthy winner of the green jersy, despite Cav whooping his **** in every sprint.

That was classy of him, wasn't it?

The green Jersey is a points jersey, it's not meant solely for someone that just gets towed around all day and only really works in the last 1k meters of a race.

Thor Hushovd rode off the front and EARNED the green jeresy. Something Mark Cavendish won't/can't ever do.
 
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PhiberAwptik said:
The green Jersey is a points jersey, it's not meant solely for someone that just gets towed around all day and only really works in the last 1k meters of a race.

Thor Hushovd rode off the front and EARNED the green jeresy. Something Mark Cavendish won't/can't ever do.

And likewise Hushovd will never win five stages in the same tour de france.
 
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Divine Intervention said:
And likewise Hushovd will never win five stages in the same tour de france.

Well to some, Green Jersey > 5 stage wins

If the odds were stacked up against him, think Cav could have done what Hushovd did in the mountains?
 
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PhiberAwptik said:
The green Jersey is a points jersey, it's not meant solely for someone that just gets towed around all day and only really works in the last 1k meters of a race.

Thor Hushovd rode off the front and EARNED the green jeresy. Something Mark Cavendish won't/can't ever do.

What do you mean `won't/can't ever do' he could become another Jalabert or Kelly, bunch sprinters who went on challenge for tour wins.
 
Jun 16, 2010
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If what Eurosport is reporting is true, regarding the spitting, then Cavendish should be disqualified from the race, for both DANGEROUS sprinting and total lack of respect for his opponents. This is going to far!!
 
Jun 3, 2009
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hfer07 said:
honestly-did you watch the video at all?:confused: it really does not make sense what you just wrote!!

I wasn't talking about the main crash itself. Watch at 200m, when Haussler is pushing Cavendish left as Haussler begins his sprint (yes, when he starts, not the bit where cavendish collides)
This is before Cavendish collides into Haussler.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNAYR3KPIg 8 seconds into this clip. watch Haussler. I'm not for one second by the way saying Haussler is to blame, i'm just saying this is vital to understanding the crash fully.
 
Aug 6, 2009
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Hawkwood said:
What do you mean `won't/can't ever do' he could become another Jalabert or Kelly, bunch sprinters who went on challenge for tour wins.

That's highly unlikely. If you look at the sprinter who became contenders for the overall they were sprinter who always could climb fairly well, Cavendish doesn't fit that bill. I don't think there's enough EPO in the world to turn Cavendish into a GT winner, or even contender.
 
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I for one am glad that Cav has appeared on the scene the last couple of years and can sprint the way he does. He has improved his fitness tremendously and managed to win a race like milano san remo, so he has done some work and deserves a lot of his wins.

He also has what generally seems to be the best lead out train. The HTC guys have both the strength and timing to get him to the last 200m in the best position. Without that, he would win far fewer sprints.

But to the neanderthals that say that what he did and how he rode yesterday is normal and accepted sprinting movement, and that "in the good ole days blah blah, they used to sprint with pepper spray in their eyes while trying to headbutt the next rider with the horns on their ears, blah blah" is booolsht.

If you think that it's "part of sprinting" to hit at the line like djamolidine abdoujaparov with absolute recklessness and swerve side to side the way Cav did in that sprint, maybe you should organize a petition to bring back the old days of fighting in the coliseum.

Sport evolves and it's very clear that those who are paid and are actually riding the TDS do not agree with you. Perhaps a little flick if that can be done without stuffing your front wheel under someone else's path is acceptable, but the swerving that Cav did in that sprint is way too far.

I personally feel that when you're on the front of a very large pack, whether it's on your own personal saturday world's training ride or in a pro tour race, you have a responsibility not to ride like a jackaaasss and endanger the many people who are behind you.

Even guys like McEwen, who I consider to be an aggressive and scrappy sprinter, don't ride with their front wheels painting figure esses the way Cav did in that sprint.

Cav's got a lot of speed and the aggressiveness to mix it up the way few can in pro tour sprints, I sure couldn't do it and I respect that ability, but a lot more maturity and less win at all cost attitude would do him and too late now, for Coyot and Hausler, some good.
 

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Hitchey said:
I for one am glad that Cav has appeared on the scene the last couple of years and can sprint the way he does. He has improved his fitness tremendously and managed to win a race like milano san remo, so he has done some work and deserves a lot of his wins.

He also has what generally seems to be the best lead out train. The HTC guys have both the strength and timing to get him to the last 200m in the best position. Without that, he would win far fewer sprints.

But to the neanderthals that say that what he did and how he rode yesterday is normal and accepted sprinting movement, and that "in the good ole days blah blah, they used to sprint with pepper spray in their eyes while trying to headbutt the next rider with the horns on their ears, blah blah" is booolsht.

If you think that it's "part of sprinting" to hit at the line like djamolidine abdoujaparov with absolute recklessness and swerve side to side the way Cav did in that sprint, maybe you should organize a petition to bring back the old days of fighting in the coliseum.

Sport evolves and it's very clear that those who are paid and are actually riding the TDS do not agree with you. Perhaps a little flick if that can be done without stuffing your front wheel under someone else's path is acceptable, but the swerving that Cav did in that sprint is way too far.

I personally feel that when you're on the front of a very large pack, whether it's on your own personal saturday world's training ride or in a pro tour race, you have a responsibility not to ride like a jackaaasss and endanger the many people who are behind you.

Even guys like McEwen, who I consider to be an aggressive and scrappy sprinter, don't ride with their front wheels painting figure esses the way Cav did in that sprint.

Cav's got a lot of speed and the aggressiveness to mix it up the way few can in pro tour sprints, I sure couldn't do it and I respect that ability, but a lot more maturity and less win at all cost attitude would do him and too late now, for Coyot and Hausler, some good.

Just for the record do you feel the same about Paolo Betini running Stuart O Grady into the barriers, or any of the chaps who have taken out Chris Horner, or how Mckewen uses his body and head like a boa constrictor to impede his competitors. Where do yo draw the line or is it just an issue with Cavendish?
 
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I think this protest is ********. Cavendish's ego often gets the better of him, but he doesn't have a regular history of riding dangerously. If we had a protest for every rider that caused a dangerous crash then they would have to schedule it into the start time every day. A bit too much drama for me. These guys should go have a face to face with him if they are so unhappy.
 
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Divine Intervention said:
Cav apologised to Thor Hushovd in person and said he was a worthy winner of the green jersy, despite Cav whooping his **** in every sprint.

That was classy of him, wasn't it?

Classy would've been not putting himself in the position where an apology was necessary in the first place.
 

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Angliru said:
Classy would've been not putting himself in the position where an apology was necessary in the first place.

I am of the opinion that if a sprinter is healthy enough to win sprints, he is healthy enough to finish the complete stage race.
It is wimpy for these sprinters to win stages and drop out of the race itself.
I think if they want to race like that they should have their stage wins DQd.
 
Jun 16, 2010
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offbyone said:
I think this protest is ********. Cavendish's ego often gets the better of him, but he doesn't have a regular history of riding dangerously. If we had a protest for every rider that caused a dangerous crash then they would have to schedule it into the start time every day. A bit too much drama for me. These guys should go have a face to face with him if they are so unhappy.

Actually he do! Ever since he turned up on the scene there have been many riders who have complained about his very messy sprints, this is absolutelly nothing new!!

The other thing is that he brings a bad reputation to his team and the sport by behaving like a douchebag!
 
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there is a lot wrong in cycling but i dont think Cavendish should be so high on their agenda...he is a young loudmouth that has to learn that what goes around comes around....for the peleton to start picking on him is pretty low and to do it publicly is out of character....

lot of dangerous roads being raced and accidents happening..i have not seen one media report about it, not heard 1 rider complain about it or a DS....last protest was led by Di Luca who stood up to the giro last year(09) in the milan stage and the riders rode slowly for most and then contested the sprint....and he then got caught for cera...surprise surprise:rolleyes:

for the record i dont like Cavendish, last sprinter i liked was Sean Kelly....Cippolini was another guy who had an ego like Cavendish, but Cipo was not as good in my opinion...

anyone see an omega pharma lotto go guy go straight into a car.....he got a lot sympathy from the peleton, be they dont confront the race organisers tonight or publicy tomorrow....
 
Apr 14, 2010
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thehog said:
I think the issue here is more about Cavindish’s the man himself. If the same events occurred with any other rider there wouldn’t have been a protest. Hunt and co. are sticking up for their man. Bravo to that. Cav’s problem when he was winning every race he entered he did it without humility. Now he’s not winning so much and making mistakes he’s finding he has no friends. Its going to be a long time to he can earn back the respect of the peloton. It will go against him the Tour. He’s becoming a liability of Columbia – they don’t seem to be able to manage him. I think well done to the protest. Cervelo stuck up for their man who was fowled. If the roles were reversed what do you think Cav would have done? He wouldn’t have held a protest the next day on the startline. He would have ran up to the Cervelo team bus, banged on their door, when they didn’t open it he would have smashed one of the windows, jumped in and smashed the place up. He then would have spent the next 6 weeks telling the press what a bunch of sc3m bags the Cervelo team are. Contrast will show what Cervelo did was pride for the team and their man.

+1, and it was AG2R as well as Cervelo, and perhaps others i guess. Indeed as mentioned, the peleton will sort it out, and this protest is a good start.

Mrs John Murphy said:
Nothing is ever Frodo's fault though is it. Whenever anything goes wrong someone else is to blame.

Frodo needs to man up and apologise - his reckless riding has sent one rider to the hospital with a broken hip - and that is entirely the fault of Frodo.

forty four said:
wow i remember that what a morally reprehensible individual. i really would like to see another rider decide to get dq'd and kick the crap out of cav that would be priceless. i find it amazing he did not even offer an apology i watched the video he should have been dq'd.

Indeed, he hardly accepted he fvcked up, and no apology. Incredible.

flicker said:
Sorry, Cav. and Haussler do what sprinters do. Go try some amatuer races that is what sprinters do. That is the game. Check out the latest Velonews.

phlatties said:
agree w/flicker. it's what they do. it's what happens. joining a "protest"? jeezuz. i can't imagine how a peloton would move if you had to call out every thing and everyone that was involved in crash. Cavendish is this, he's that....waaahhhh Shut up and ride.

Sure it's what they do...hopefully whilst holding their line (more or less).

Put it this way, if the Terror from Tashkent was racing today (the way he used to), would you, as a sprinter, stand for that? Face it, you'd be mad to mix it up with him in close quarters, so I think you're going to either need to be very lucky finding a line nowhere near him, or, you just might be lodging some sort of protest. Cav's movement was huge and either vindictive or out of control - that should not be part of sprinting.

In other words, yes sprinting is dangerous and accidents will happen, and no we shouldn't protest every reasonable mistake. But if someone's out of control or acting desperate, that's a different story, and it should be called out. Cav is building a record of dangerous and/or disrespectful incidents, and now riders feel something has to be said before it gets worse. It's their career and livelihood, why should that be jeopardised needlessly, just because the young hobbit is under a lot of pressure to deliver for himself.

For the record, I used to quite like him, at least during most of last year's TdF. I thought he said the right things after winning stages, about support from his team. But his off-course antics and attitude have shown a different side to him eh, and his on-bike record is starting to look pretty dodgy.
 
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Benotti69 said:
....last protest was led by Di Luca who stood up to the giro last year(09) in the milan stage and the riders rode slowly for most and then contested the sprint....

That was Lance, not di Luca. Or, as Zomegnan said: "It (the course) required riders to get their butts up off the seats of their bikes, and some riders who are not so young anymore apparently don't feel like doing that. Instead, it seems like their legs have become shorter and their tongues longer."
 
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This all feels a bit overblown, at least if it's just in response to yesterday's sprint-- his line didn't look especially egregious, even though there were some fairly spectacular and unfortunate consequences. And if it's a referendum on his personality, well, let's face it, sprinters are the hyperactive prima donnas of the peloton anyway, like strikers in soccer, or red squirrels at the bird feeder. It's just what happens when you put a bit too much (natural) testosterone in a short guy with big muscles, if I may generalize (hi Robbie). I'm pretty confident that the peloton can collectively manage Cav's, or any rider's behavior, whenever they deem it .
 
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racing incident..

Sprinters! lol :)

here is my insight..i read the report! watched the video highlights and replayed it...
For me..
Cav had passed Haussler! had a wheel on him ! Haussler hooked under his shoulder and unweighted him! thats why his wheel falls away! Haussler created his own demise! and should have been reprimanded!!
the fastest guy on the planet never has a lot of mates!! ask Lance :)
 

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Reading McEwen statements it seems that the protest was not solely concerned with the sprint itself, but just as much or even more about the spitting incident
 
Jun 16, 2010
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I have read the discussions on these forums for a while but have kept quiet.

I must say I think the anti-Cavendish comments are getting ridiculous. Okay, he is brash and I can see why people dislike his attitude.

However, I would like to make the following points:
- he is not the first rider to been at fault for a crash
- it was not intentional
- he was not the only one at fault, Haussler also drifted towards the right!

I think the actions of other riders protesting is pathetic, and they are targeting the man and not the incident.
 
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windnwheels said:
Sprinters! lol :)

here is my insight..i read the report! watched the video highlights and replayed it...
For me..
Cav had passed Haussler! had a wheel on him ! Haussler hooked under his shoulder and unweighted him! thats why his wheel falls away! Haussler created his own demise! and should have been reprimanded!!
the fastest guy on the planet never has a lot of mates!! ask Lance :)

insight? seems more to me that you have no sight..........
 
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Barrus said:
Reading McEwen statements it seems that the protest was not solely concerned with the sprint itself, but just as much or even more about the spitting incident

Yeah, that was my impression too. Sprinting dangerously and causing a crash is one thing. But then spitting at the guys asking for an explanation or an apology for doing something stupid that caused their teammate to break their hip? That's douchebaggery of a whole new level.