Puerto bags to be handed over

[King Boonen]

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Cancellara does have a German name: Fabian. Not Fabiano. Of course it's of Latin origin, but would you say "Mikel" is not a Basque name just because it's ultimately of Hebrew origin?

Fabian is actually the English form of the name, came to England with the Normans (probably via Fabien).

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Cancellara does have a German name: Fabian. Not Fabiano. Of course it's of Latin origin, but would you say "Mikel" is not a Basque name just because it's ultimately of Hebrew origin?

Fabian is actually the English form of the name, came to England with the Normans (probably via Fabien).

And with a different pronunciation but the same spelling, it's also the German form of the name.

Just like Michael is both English and German with different pronunciations, Jose is Spanish and Portuguese with different pronunciations, and Thomas is English and French with different pronunciations.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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This Trek Segafredo blog says his father was Italian but Fabian speaks (Swiss) German as his first language:
http://www.treksegafredo.com/blog/behind-stripes-part-6-fabian-cancellara

here exactly

A person's first language =/= Native tongue.

Also you contradicted yourself when you were caught out. You said this:

he has a german name, his mother tongue is german and he was born in german schweiz. what more do you want?

Which was debunked here:

Wow, you've made three statements and are objectively wrong on 2 of them. That's an impressive miss rate.

1) Cancellara is an Italian name from Italy, which is why it's a place name in Italy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancellara

2) Cancellara's first language is Italian. It's what he grew up speaking. It's his mother tongue.

Then you backtrack and reword your sh*tty argument:

he grew up speaking german, in german switzerland and his ancestry name is meaningless. I have a last name suggesting I might be german, the first name says a lot more, which is also german in cancellara's case, he also speaks german at home all the time, according to the trek segafredo docu

So first "his mother tongue is german", now he grew up speaking it? Which one is it, because they're not the same. And the latter makes your argument redundant.

Initially you say his name is German and use it as a point for your argument, only to be debunked above and then you say "his ancestry name is meaningless". How fitting that it is meaningless when it doesn't coincide with your illogical argument.

Also Fabian is of Roman origin, it came from Fabianus which in turn relates to the famous Roman family Fabius. So Fabian is not German, it too like his surname is of Italian/Roman origin.

Take the L...

he has a german name: FABIAN, he speaks german, he always spoke german growing up as a child in his home and he still speaks german every day as his first language. and he was born in german switzerland. how many times do I have to repeat these facts before you can understand them?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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cancellara was also not a classical specialist back around 2005. he only had a 4th and an 8th place in roubaix and for the rest nothing. he was a timetrialist above all else. also he never had a fallback after fuentes in his level of competing, on the contrary, which makes it doubtful for me, although I'm not sticking my hand in the fire. others like basso, thomas dekker, beloved patriot gutierrez, mancebo and many more had a serious fallback

BS on Thomas Dekker, Dekker was a GC man, Tirreno A. not much scope on the one-day front, so if he is a classicomano in Fuentes fridge alliterationz, then... Spartacus would be too

what? where do I bring up thomas dekker as either a gc man or a classics rider? I name him asa 100% doper who had a fallback in his results after getting caught

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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So first "his mother tongue is german", now he grew up speaking it? Which one is it, because they're not the same. And the latter makes your argument redundant.

According to the Trek Segafredo blog and an interview with the president of his Flemish fan club, his mother is German-speaking Swiss. So German is quite literally his mother tongue. And he grew up speaking it.

ok pantani-attacks, let's see you mingle you way out of this one

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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After this exchange Grabsch blocked Zonneveld from twitter. He also seems pretty certain about Flecha being classicomano, and Dekker being classicomano Luigi.

thijs zonneveld is full of **** a bitter loser crying about his own (amateur) career that meant nothing whether he was clean or not. he is so eager to try and get guys from his era without any evidence either.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Ryo, you should really provide evidence for your claims that Fabu isn't of Italian descent.

Ryo is plain wrong, Fabian is second generation immigrant from Italy. His parents moved to Switzerland from the south of Italy.

What about this, Ryo? Why are you ignoring this ?

 

[sniper]

I think the key issue with Fabian is that he likes pizza more than anything:

I am actually happy how I finished since I did not do specific training as my focus is on something else. For me it is always good to do a time trial like this. I can definitely have a good glass of wine tonight, with a pizza
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/cancellara_pleased_with_2nd_now_its_time_for_pizza_and_wine/

Which connects nicely with him being Luigi:

Luigi's name is said to have been inspired by a pizza parlor near Nintendo of America's headquarters in Redmond, Washington, called "Mario & Luigi's" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi

 

[sniper]

great tweet from TheClear re Bert Grabsch:
https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/743183614079279104
Grabsch showing some really old school roughneck omerta in that interview.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Ryo, you should really provide evidence for your claims that Fabu isn't of Italian descent.

Ryo is plain wrong, Fabian is second generation immigrant from Italy. His parents moved to Switzerland from the south of Italy.

What about this, Ryo? Why are you ignoring this ?

a f'n wikipedia quote? I take the information from trek segafredo docu and website much more serious

 

[sniper]

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...
thijs zonneveld is full of **** a bitter loser crying about his own (amateur) career that meant nothing whether he was clean or not. he is so eager to try and get guys from his era without any evidence either.

lol, you sound like a Lance defender anno 2010.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Ryo, you should really provide evidence for your claims that Fabu isn't of Italian descent.

Ryo is plain wrong, Fabian is second generation immigrant from Italy. His parents moved to Switzerland from the south of Italy.

What about this, Ryo? Why are you ignoring this ?

a f'n wikipedia quote? I take the information from trek segafredo docu and website much more serious

Let's just trust the man himself:

“I know from where I come from. My father came to Switzerland from Italy at just 18 years with just a backpack and he started to work and make money and he learned … they’ve been always working. My mother’s still working now, and my father’s in pension,” he said.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/04/news/flesh-blood-like-rest-us_322798

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

oh god, how hard is it to read? his father is italian, his mother is german swiss, he is born in german switzerland, raised in german switzerland, german is his mother tongue and still his first language. he was given a german name as well

enough?

 

[jens_attacks]

Ok. But you are a german.

 

[GJB123]

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Ryo, you should really provide evidence for your claims that Fabu isn't of Italian descent.

Ryo is plain wrong, Fabian is second generation immigrant from Italy. His parents moved to Switzerland from the south of Italy.

What about this, Ryo? Why are you ignoring this ?

a f'n wikipedia quote? I take the information from trek segafredo docu and website much more serious

Thanks, but actually it wasn't a f'n wikipedia quote, but glad you looked up that wikipedia actually states the same. I had the information from the Belgian commentators during this year's Giro where they elaborated on it for quite a bit given they were apparently near his father's birth town (and they also told about an Italian nephew cycling with the same sir name). Assumption is the mother all fnck-up's, you know.

 

[TheSpud]

Just reading that the Fuentes verdict came out on World Blood Donor day - how ironic ...

 

[LaFlorecita]

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oh god, how hard is it to read? his father is italian, his mother is german swiss, he is born in german switzerland, raised in german switzerland, german is his mother tongue and still his first language. he was given a german name as well

enough?

You replied to someone who wrote that he is of Italian descent with "he is a German Schweizer". That doesn't take away that he is of Italian descent.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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oh god, how hard is it to read? his father is italian, his mother is german swiss, he is born in german switzerland, raised in german switzerland, german is his mother tongue and still his first language. he was given a german name as well

enough?

You replied to someone who wrote that he is of Italian descent with "he is a German Schweizer". That doesn't take away that he is of Italian descent.

Fabian is second generation immigrant from Italy. His parents moved to Switzerland from the south of Italy.

here specially for you I bolded it, underlined it, everything.

it was claimed cancellara was a 2nd generation immigrant from italy which he clearly isn't, since his mother is (german) swiss.

if in the netherlands a turkish male immigrant of the 60s had a child with a dutch woman, would that make the child a 2nd generation turkish immigrant, of course not. a ridiculous assumption and I make this example as it happened a lot

 

[LaFlorecita]

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This is the post that started the discussion:

Like Luigi, Cancellara is of Italian descent.

(Tenuous Puerto naming links! It's like 2006 never ended.)

cancellara is a german schweizer.

Cancellara may be a German Schweizer because he was born there, but he is definitely also of Italian descent.

And 2nd generation immigrants are people with at least 1 foreign born parent. So Cancellara is a 2nd generation Italian immigrant.

 

[markene2]

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oh god, how hard is

if in the netherlands a turkish male immigrant of the 60s had a child with a dutch woman, would that make the child a 2nd generation turkish immigrant, of course not. a ridiculous assumption and I make this example as it happened a lot

But technicaly he would be a 2nd generation turkish immigrant. Thats just the way it works.

 

[blackcat]

i dont think we can resolve the tension of lineage til we get Spartacus and Jackie Durand in the same room together, and I for one wish to see the interpretation and rigour of the analysis of motor doping and hypodermic doping and when one starts and the other finishes


#Zeno
#paradox
#meta
#doping

 

[GuyIncognito]

Donato Cancellara was born in Basilicata. He moved to switzerland at 18 to work in an air conditioning factory and almost moved back because he only spoke italian and a few words of french.

He also has a killer moustache

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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oh god, how hard is

if in the netherlands a turkish male immigrant of the 60s had a child with a dutch woman, would that make the child a 2nd generation turkish immigrant, of course not. a ridiculous assumption and I make this example as it happened a lot

But technicaly he would be a 2nd generation turkish immigrant. Thats just the way it works.

That's just plain wrong.

 

[V3R1T4S]

Who gives a cr@p -- seriously. This is why the EU is in crisis.

Ryo states almost all Colombians (and a large # of Euro pros) are clean yet 30,000 Swedes dope as well as 90% of the people at his "gym" (and by extension others).

 

[Archibald]

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Donato Cancellara was born in Basilicata. He moved to switzerland at 18 to work in an air conditioning factory and almost moved back because he only spoke italian and a few words of french.

He also has a killer moustache

i guess he got his mother's chin...