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Puerto bags to be handed over

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Ryo Hazuki said:
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cancellara was also not a classical specialist back around 2005. he only had a 4th and an 8th place in roubaix and for the rest nothing. he was a timetrialist above all else. also he never had a fallback after fuentes in his level of competing, on the contrary, which makes it doubtful for me, although I'm not sticking my hand in the fire. others like basso, thomas dekker, beloved patriot gutierrez, mancebo and many more had a serious fallback
BS on Thomas Dekker, Dekker was a GC man, Tirreno A. not much scope on the one-day front, so if he is a classicomano in Fuentes fridge alliterationz, then... Spartacus would be too
what? where do I bring up thomas dekker as either a gc man or a classics rider? I name him asa 100% doper who had a fallback in his results after getting caught :eek:
but was not TD named as an option for the classicomano fuentes appellation
 
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oh god, how hard is it to read? his father is italian, his mother is german swiss, he is born in german switzerland, raised in german switzerland, german is his mother tongue and still his first language. he was given a german name as well

enough?
You replied to someone who wrote that he is of Italian descent with "he is a German Schweizer". That doesn't take away that he is of Italian descent.
Fabian is second generation immigrant from Italy. His parents moved to Switzerland from the south of Italy.

here specially for you I bolded it, underlined it, everything.

it was claimed cancellara was a 2nd generation immigrant from italy which he clearly isn't, since his mother is (german) swiss.

if in the netherlands a turkish male immigrant of the 60s had a child with a dutch woman, would that make the child a 2nd generation turkish immigrant, of course not. a ridiculous assumption and I make this example as it happened a lot

Actually technically it does and is used as such by the Dutch statistics bureau (CBS) if I am not mistaken.
 
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https://twitter.com/Noaldopaje/status/742691004357181440
You gotta admit Fuentes was a real moron when choosing nicknames sometimes.

What a surprise it was to find out "Sevillano" was Óscar Sevilla.

Doping was and still is part of the culture of sport. Fuentes obviously felt comfortable he was protected and if not at least ignored as a necessary part of Spanish sport. It did not matter the names, as DNA would find out whose blood it is when he got caught. I dont think Fuentes suffered too much. Some of the athletes have, Ullrich massively.

Interested in your comment about Ullrich there Benotti. Why would you say he has suffered massively? He was as guilty as hell and deserved what he got.

Suffered financially, gone from the sport.........He was guilty. I dont deny that. But compared to the Garmin crew and others he got done big time.

Piti still rode, Basso, Scarponi, Schlecks, Canc, Contador etc.........sadly anti doping and its punishments are about on a par with levels of doping!

Ok - I see what you mean
 
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veji11 said:
Even if bans couldn't be formally given, organisers could refuse letting team with those riders ride their races, effectively ending their careers. This would be a good thing. Cheaters have to pay, and it would be hilarious if instead of proper sentencing because of sstatute of limitation, they ended up paying the price by being shunted aside by their teams, unable to race, basically bullied out of their job omerta style.... ironic.

An ill thought out and irrational post - You can't can be convicted of cheating unless,you go through tribunal hearings, which wont happen because the statute of limitations has passed .

How could these riders be shunted off their teams seeing some in the administrative part of teams have previously been convicted of doping.
 
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Some worried athletes out there.

The bags of blood, plasma and red blood cells gathered in a 2006 raid at the office of Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes have been in the possession of the World Anti-Doping Agency and the International Cycling Union since last Thursday.

Thanks to this evidence, it will be now possible to identify the athletes who underwent clandestine transfusions to improve their performance. Most of those involved in the doping case called Operation Puerto are cyclists, but Fuentes also testified that his clients included athletes in tennis and soccer, as well as track and field.

http://www.elespanol.com/espana/20160705/137736924_0.html
 
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Luigi, thanks for the translations. Very promising indeed.

Question: If all the analyses and DNA matching have already been done, why are UCI and WADA now in the possession of the bags? (per Gooner's link)

More generally, I still very much doubt UCI and WADA are interested in exposing those names.
More like the opposite. WADA (especially under Reedie) are nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothes.
I'm assuming massive pressure behind the scenes to shove the names under the carpet.
 
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sniper said:
Luigi, thanks for the translations. Very promising indeed.

Question: If all the analyses and DNA matching have already been done, why are UCI and WADA now in the possession of the bags? (per Gooner's link)

More generally, I still very much doubt UCI and WADA are interested in exposing those names.
More like the opposite. WADA (especially under Reedie) are nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothes.
I'm assuming massive pressure behind the scenes to shove the names under the carpet.
I sure hope that there will be sufficient pressure brought on UCI and WADA to expose the names of the athletes involved. That being said, I don't trust them at all to release them. Sad.
 
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sniper said:
Luigi, thanks for the translations. Very promising indeed.

Question: If all the analyses and DNA matching have already been done, why are UCI and WADA now in the possession of the bags? (per Gooner's link)

More generally, I still very much doubt UCI and WADA are interested in exposing those names.
More like the opposite. WADA (especially under Reedie) are nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothes.
I'm assuming massive pressure behind the scenes to shove the names under the carpet.

Can we at least get the code names?
I would enjoy listening to a press conference in which the names of athlete's pets were implicated in the scandal.
 
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One thing that's not been mentioned. How exactly did they get the supposed athletes DNA?

They'd already have blood samples from anti doping tests performed on said athletes with which to compare
 
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Kender said:
King Boonen said:
One thing that's not been mentioned. How exactly did they get the supposed athletes DNA?

They'd already have blood samples from anti doping tests performed on said athletes with which to compare

Not true, for Ullrich they raided his house and recovered DNA via a warrant.

Blood stored in WADA labs cannot be used for such an exercise, it is marked by code only and once tested cannot be tested again (I'm willing to be corrected on this point, as my understanding once blood is tested it is contaminated).

BERLIN (AP) - German authorities secured DNA samples from former Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich in a raid earlier this week on his Swiss residence, according to a report released on Thursday. Germany's Sueddeutsche Zeitung said in an advance release of its Friday edition that authorities had secured samples of the German rider's DNA that were to be compared with frozen blood seized at a Madrid clinic as part of a doping investigation that saw Ullrich and eight other riders forced to withdraw from this year's Tour. Authorities could not immediately be reached to comment on the report. On Thursday, Germany's Federal Crime Office said Ullrich's main residence in Switzerland and nine other homes and offices were searched as part of a fraud investigation by Bonn prosecutors in connection with a Spanish doping probe linked to doctor Eufemiano Fuentes. Ullrich was not at home during the raid.

Yes, blood tests for passport or otherwise are filled with a solution, that would break the chain of custody;

Several methods exist for measuring hemoglobin, most of which are done currently by automated machines designed to perform different tests on blood. Within the machine, the red blood cells are broken down to get the hemoglobin into a solution. The free hemoglobin is exposed to a chemical containing cyanide that binds tightly with the hemoglobin molecule to form cyanomethemoglobin. By shining a light through the solution and measuring how much light is absorbed (specifically at a wavelength of 540 nanometers), the amount of hemoglobin can be determined.

Valverde was taken down by a blood test in Italy when a stage of the Tour went through. It was a CONI test and not a UCI or AFLD blood test.

The summons relates to a blood-urine sample given by Valverde on July 21, during the 2008 Tour de France after a stage in Italy.

Italian news agency Ansa reported that DNA tests on this sample matched those of blood samples seized from the laboratory of tainted doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, the central figure in the Puerto scandal.

Although the sample Valverde gave during the Tour did not fail any dope tests, follow-up DNA tests matched the sample to others seized during the Puerto investigation.
 

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