Purito - Joaquim Rodriguez thread

[gthx_gthx_]

Man is Rodriguez pure money in the bank or what. Probably the most reliable rider in the peloton to go out there and deliver one way or another.

CQ POINTS :
2010 - Over 2k
2011 - Over 2K
2012 - Probably Over 2k by the end of the year

He still needs to win something big though , a monument or a GT.

 

[sartoris]

Stupid question...is it Joaquin or Joaquim? The title (and a lot of other places) have an "m" at the end, but plenty of other places have it with an "n" as well (I believe his UCI license calls him Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver). Help?

He's from Cataluña, and in that part of Spain his name is Joaquim.

 

[hrotha]

It's perfectly possible that his legal name is "Joaquín" (where the <j> stands for the German ach-Laut or the ch in the Scottish pronunciation of loch), but on top of being from Catalonia he actually feels Catalan as opposed to Spanish, so of course he always uses the Catalan version of his name, which is "Joaquim" (where the <j> is the same as English <j>). In Spanish everybody refers to him using the Catalan form of his name.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

It's perfectly possible that his legal name is "Joaquín" (where the <j> stands for the German ach-Laut or the ch in the Scottish pronunciation of loch), but on top of being from Catalonia he actually feels Catalan as opposed to Spanish, so of course he always uses the Catalan version of his name, which is "Joaquim" (where the <j> is the same as English <j>). In Spanish everybody refers to him using the Catalan form of his name.

If I'm understanding you correctly then, it's pronounced more like "Joe-Kim".

 

[sartoris]

It's perfectly possible that his legal name is "Joaquín" (where the <j> stands for the German ach-Laut or the ch in the Scottish pronunciation of loch), but on top of being from Catalonia he actually feels Catalan as opposed to Spanish, so of course he always uses the Catalan version of his name, which is "Joaquim" (where the <j> is the same as English <j>). In Spanish everybody refers to him using the Catalan form of his name.

WTF ??? His legal name is JOAQUIM, and that doesn't have any relation whatsoever with whether he feels Catalan or Spanish or Ethiopian. Get your facts straight before making wrong statements, my friend.

PD: He is from Cataluña, a region in España, where they have their own language (Catalán).

 

[l.Harm]

Lol there's no reason to attack him like that. He doesn't say his legal name ís Joaquin, he only says it's possible. Relax a bit.

 

[sartoris]

It's perfectly possible that his legal name is "Joaquín" (where the <j> stands for the German ach-Laut or the ch in the Scottish pronunciation of loch), but on top of being from Catalonia he actually feels Catalan as opposed to Spanish, so of course he always uses the Catalan version of his name, which is "Joaquim" (where the <j> is the same as English <j>). In Spanish everybody refers to him using the Catalan form of his name.

You probably mean "in Spain". Obviosuly everyone refers to him as JOAQUIM because that's his name. It's the equivalent Catalonian form of Spanish Joaquín. Other equivalentes are Josep for José, or Enric for Enrique or Carles for Carlos, or Bernat for Bernardo ...

Some people might mistake it for JOAQUÍN. Not such a big difference.

All this being said, I hope he wins the Vuelta. He deserves a big Tour and could have perfectly won the Giro.

 

[ElChingon]

J Rod or JJ and lets close that out

 

[sartoris]

Lol there's no reason to attack him like that. He doesn't say his legal name ís Joaquin, he only says it's possible. Relax a bit.

Hahaha sorry! I'm not attacking anyone, even less HROTHA, who's a great forumite and always comes up with great info and facts. Sorry HROTHA if I sounded a bit rude (my 1st language isn't English). Nothing farther from the spirit of my post!! When I said "my friend" I really meant it in a cyberspecial way, not in a despising one.

 

[hrotha]

WTF ??? His legal name is JOAQUIM, and that doesn't have any relation whatsoever with whether he feels Catalan or Spanish or Ethiopian. Get your facts straight before making wrong statements, my friend.

PD: He is from Cataluña, a region in España, where they have their own language (Catalán).

Someone mentioned his UCI licence says "Joaquín", so I couldn't rule out that being his legal name with the info I have. There's similar cases - for example, Jon Izagirre, whose licence says "Ion". Of course I know what Catalonia is.

You probably mean "in Spain". Obviosuly everyone refers to him as JOAQUIM because that's his name. It's the equivalent Catalonian form of Spanish Joaquín. Other equivalentes are Josep for José, or Enric for Enrique or Carles for Carlos, or Bernat for Bernardo ...

No, I meant in Spanish, i.e. when speaking in Spanish as opposed to Catalan. The idea of not adapting foreign names might seem trivial to us, but it doesn't work the same way everywhere else.

 

[cineteq]

No, I meant in Spanish, i.e. when speaking in Spanish as opposed to Catalan. The idea of not adapting foreign names might seem trivial to us, but it doesn't work the same way everywhere else.

You mean Castillian, of course.

 

[hrotha]

You mean Castillian, of course.

They're synonymous. In English, "Spanish" is overwhelmingly more common than "Castilian" as the name of the language. In Spanish, some regions favour "español", others favour "castellano" and in some places (like Madrid) both appear pretty much in free variation.

 

[El Pistolero]

They're synonymous. In English, "Spanish" is overwhelmingly more common than "Castilian" as the name of the language. In Spanish, some regions favour "español", others favour "castellano" and in some places (like Madrid) both appear pretty much in free variation.

Yeah, but I think it's wrong to call it Spanish. I prefer to call it Castilian. Kinda like how we call Native Americans Indians...

What idiot unified Spain.

 

[Paco_P]

Yeah, but I think it's wrong to call it Spanish. I prefer to call it Castilian. Kinda like how we call Native Americans Indians...

What idiot unified Spain.

Most americanos call it español for the same reason that a lot of españoles call it castellano. If you live in Mexico, it makes less sense to call it castellano to differentiate it from catalá. It makes more sense to call it español, to differentiate it from, say, nahuatl.

 

[Paco_P]

WTF ??? His legal name is JOAQUIM, and that doesn't have any relation whatsoever with whether he feels Catalan or Spanish or Ethiopian. Get your facts straight before making wrong statements, my friend.

It happened frequently in the Franco era and its immediate aftermath that a child named Joan (Catalan) had on his birth certificate the name Juan (Spanish), though he and his family never used anything other than Joan and he resented having to use Juan on official documents. The same for Joaquim-Joaquin. So in fact there were many legal Joaquin's who call themselves Joaquim because they feel Catalan, and feel that their true name is Joaquim. In the current generation these things have of course mostly disappeared, but Purito comes from the era when they still hadn't (I don't know the details in his case, so can't opine one way or the other).

 

[The Hitch]

Rodriguez answered questions about his schedule in an interview and imo he is mad

he intends to start well in san luis and contend in Oman. He will then do TA "at good level" which he intends to maintain for Catalunya.

He will then do the Ardennes - all 3, and for god knows what reason Romandie as if he hasnt raced a season worth already

He will take a short rest before TDF prep - the longer option of course (TDS), which will warm him up for a Tour de France he intends to contend all 3 weeks in.

But the second he finishes in Paris his mind will focus 100% on the Vuelta - He shrugs off suggestions that its difficult to do both on peak form with

it all depends how you do things and take care of yourself. Me, I like to train and im always on the bike the next day after a grand tour anyway".

Ok. With Wiggins going for Giro Tour and now Purito saying this, seems that many in the peloton believe doing 2 gts back to back aint no thing.


The Vuelta of course comes as a package with the worlds, - another season aim, but is he done yet?

God no, he intends to defend his crown in Lombardia a week later.

Thats at least 1 race every month from February to October that he intends to contend (and maybe San Luis in January too).

Mental

And btw, he will move to Katusha unless they get wt. Drama either way

http://www.marca.com/2012/12/28/ciclismo/1356725342.html

Oh and he also says he didnt even rest since Lombardy, been training all off season.

Beware.

 

[El Pistolero]

Over-training ain't a good thing, he should beware of that. Rest is just as important after a hard season.

Anyway, sounds similar to Gilbert's 2009 season with the Tour instead of the Giro. Rodriguez will need to be on his best game for 3 weeks during a GT though. Doubt it will all work out, but he's bound to succeed in some of his many goals. Well, not counting on bad luck that is.

 

[Parrulo]

up until the romandie it his a normal schedule and he wouldn't be the first to use his ardennes form to save in romandie some lesser results achieved at the ardennes.

my bet is he doesn't race romandie if he has a great week in the ardennes.

then he will have almost 2 full months of rest until suisse and purito isn't one to need many races to be up in top shape again so he will be fine for the tour (like every other rider that peaked for the ardennes) the vuelta-worlds-lombardy combo is another thing tho and he might very likely be spent by the worlds. not awful but not great either, something like gilbert on the GdL in 2011.

imo nibali's schedule is worse, he will start in san luis and then try to go for the win at tirreno, MSR, the ardennes before peaking for the giro.

 

[the asian]

We always complain when big name riders only care about one or two races a season, so it's good to see Purito trying to be competitive all year around.

However agree with Hitch that it will extremely difficult to maintain year around form and he might come to regret it if he's too tired by the Vuelta and the Worlds', two races he would have a very good chance of winning.

IMO he should have peaked for the Ardeness and Vuelta/Worlds. His aim of being on the Tour Podium might cost him Vuelta Victory and a possible Worlds' gold.

 

[Cavendash]

What do people think of his chances for the TDF ?

If he is in the Vuelta form from last year surely he has a good chance with the TT light Tour ?

The bookies dont seem to think so , im tempted to have a few quid on him now before his odds come in.

 

[the asian]

What do people think of his chances for the TDF ?

If he is in the Vuelta form from last year surely he has a good chance with the TT light Tour ?

The bookies dont seem to think so , im tempted to have a few quid on him now before his odds come in.

Definitely won't win it. It will be tough for him to podium as well, but isn't beyond him.

 

[The Hitch]

Anyway, sounds similar to Gilbert's 2009 season with the Tour instead of the Giro. .

Facepalm.

1 Giro vuelta are not back to back gts ( which rodriguez is trying to combine with a further 3 weeks of peak)

2 Gilbert did not challenge for the gc, which also defeats the entire shock factor.
His season was a fraction of the difficulty of what jrod is attempting.

So what is your point? Getting worried that no one has been talking about Gilbert so once again trying to hijack discussions and make them about him?

 

[Flamin]

Oh and he also says he didnt even rest since Lombardy, been training all off season.

No, on the contrary. he says he has never rested this long in the off season.

 

[The Hitch]

What do people think of his chances for the TDF ?

If he is in the Vuelta form from last year surely he has a good chance with the TT light Tour ?

The bookies dont seem to think so , im tempted to have a few quid on him now before his odds come in.

I don't think its a tt light tour. Not for j rod anyway. There's as much tt as there was in 2010when he last did the tour and lost something like 5 minutes to contador over the tts, 6 to menchov and 3 and a half to.Andy schleck.

And.rodriguez isn't a rider who knows how.to get time back if he loses it. He's 169cm and notorious for staying in the group as long as possible.He has simply never shown the ability drop riders and solo away on mountain stages for.minutes. certainly not the likes of contador schleck or.froome


Finally the tour probably isn't steep enough for him. Jrod is known as the best guy in the world on gradients over 10%. In the vuelta the final km of ancares, cuitu negru, bola del mundo ,and the ezaro stage were all over 12 % some with sections over 20.
On all of those stages purito took time on contador + won 2 of them with bonus seconds.

There's nothing in the tour like that.

And there's no bonus seconds either. Without bonus seconds j rod would have lost the red jersey to contador a week earlier on stage 11 and not stage17 with all the drama that came with that.

 

[cineteq]

Without bonus seconds j rod would have lost the red jersey to contador a week earlier on stage 11 and not stage17 with all the drama that came with that.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that. We're not talking about math here, you can't extrapolate. Purito could have been in the lead anyway. You just couldn't know.