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Well, this is really positive. Of course not for winning the Tour, or podium it, but for making an impact in the GC.
For the first time this year he really had some explosivity at the end of a stage. And a strong showing on the climbs. Best Purito i saw this year!
Next chapter: Aspin!
For the first time this year he really had some explosivity at the end of a stage. And a strong showing on the climbs. Best Purito i saw this year!
Next chapter: Aspin!
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Quintana droped Contador in Cataluña
Quintana droped Froome in several climbs inn Tours 2013 and 2015.
Purito droped Froome in Alp D Huez and Semmonz
Purito droped Contador in Bola del Mundo and other climbs that Vuelta. (if we added 2013, where there is not any reason to Contador not be at his best, we could add more...)
We can talk a lot about Pinot, Aru, and much other people, but reallity is like that. Purito is not just a man for stages like today or impossible walls, he is an excellent climber.
portugal11 said:
Quintana droped Contador in Cataluña
Quintana droped Froome in several climbs inn Tours 2013 and 2015.
Purito droped Froome in Alp D Huez and Semmonz
Purito droped Contador in Bola del Mundo and other climbs that Vuelta. (if we added 2013, where there is not any reason to Contador not be at his best, we could add more...)
We can talk a lot about Pinot, Aru, and much other people, but reallity is like that. Purito is not just a man for stages like today or impossible walls, he is an excellent climber.
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This. Look at 2013. He was the best climber in the world that year apart from Froome, Quintana and maybe Nibali.
He's not Quintana or Froome, but guys like Pinot and Bardet have never showed the level Purito showed in the high mountains (Alps 2013, Vuelta 2012). Especially Bardet.
I don't think he can top-5, but if he's good, he can still beat those guys.
Taxus4a said:
This. Look at 2013. He was the best climber in the world that year apart from Froome, Quintana and maybe Nibali.
He's not Quintana or Froome, but guys like Pinot and Bardet have never showed the level Purito showed in the high mountains (Alps 2013, Vuelta 2012). Especially Bardet.
I don't think he can top-5, but if he's good, he can still beat those guys.
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The fact is that at the end of the Tour, he was the stronger in le Semmoz, I dont remerber exactly how it was, at the end I think Quitana tooks some seconds, but Purito was setting the pace most of the climb. So if someone said he was the stronger climber that year he has arguments and he is not exageratig.
Te problem is that people looks more at the first mountais stage of le Tour, what is better for complete riders and that year Purito crashes the day before, so Froome put lot of time to everybody i Ax 3 Domaines.. ad in Mont Ventoux, after some days in the flat, and a flat stage previoux Ventoux, but to measure who is the best climber you have to see after some days in the mountains, in an stage with little flat.. and Purito was the stronnger...arguable againts Quintana (his first Tour, very young, amazing) but stronger than Froome, and of course clearly stronger that Contador that year...
We dont have to count that year of Contador...but I dont know why. He was close to Froome in Oman, and he finished 4th in le Tour, he just have a small cold before Pais vasco, so, if we consider all the year of all the riders, we should count that year of Contador as well. But even put it apart, with Contador in top shape, Purito droped him in the mountains other times... and of course other times contador droped him, he was tired after lot of races as 2014 Vuelta.
Arredondo said:
The fact is that at the end of the Tour, he was the stronger in le Semmoz, I dont remerber exactly how it was, at the end I think Quitana tooks some seconds, but Purito was setting the pace most of the climb. So if someone said he was the stronger climber that year he has arguments and he is not exageratig.
Te problem is that people looks more at the first mountais stage of le Tour, what is better for complete riders and that year Purito crashes the day before, so Froome put lot of time to everybody i Ax 3 Domaines.. ad in Mont Ventoux, after some days in the flat, and a flat stage previoux Ventoux, but to measure who is the best climber you have to see after some days in the mountains, in an stage with little flat.. and Purito was the stronnger...arguable againts Quintana (his first Tour, very young, amazing) but stronger than Froome, and of course clearly stronger that Contador that year...
We dont have to count that year of Contador...but I dont know why. He was close to Froome in Oman, and he finished 4th in le Tour, he just have a small cold before Pais vasco, so, if we consider all the year of all the riders, we should count that year of Contador as well. But even put it apart, with Contador in top shape, Purito droped him in the mountains other times... and of course other times contador droped him, he was tired after lot of races as 2014 Vuelta.
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He did. He rode 7 km of the Semnoz climb at the front. In the end Quintana could win because Purito didn't had anything extra left due to all the hard work at the front. But of course Quintana was strong as hell too that day, just as strong as Purito.
People always say Purito is not a true climber: i don't agree at all. He's not the most consisent. Especially in the years 2009, 2010 and 2011 (Andorra Vuelta '10, Vuelta '11, Paillheres Tour 10'). But the last years, since 2012, he's actually quite consistent in GT"s.
Giro 2012: didn't have a bad day in the mountains. He was decent the whole Giro (but not great, like in the Vuelta of the same year, due to a tough spring)
Vuelta 2012: Fuente De, ok.
Tour 2013: He suffered in the Pyrenees because of a hard crash in stage 6. Not due to a bad day. Rode better and better during that race.
Giro 2014: crash
Vuelta 2014: Really consistent. In every mountain stage with the 5 best climbers in the race (in some mountain stages he was better)
Tour 2015: He was in bad shape in general (despite his stage win on Plateau de Beille)
Vuelta 2015: No bad day at all.
He's actually a damn good climber by himself. Not in the league of Contador, Froome and Quintana anymore. But he was in that league back in 2012/2013. Bardet and Pinot still have to enter that league.
Taxus4a said:
He did. He rode 7 km of the Semnoz climb at the front. In the end Quintana could win because Purito didn't had anything extra left due to all the hard work at the front. But of course Quintana was strong as hell too that day, just as strong as Purito.
People always say Purito is not a true climber: i don't agree at all. He's not the most consisent. Especially in the years 2009, 2010 and 2011 (Andorra Vuelta '10, Vuelta '11, Paillheres Tour 10'). But the last years, since 2012, he's actually quite consistent in GT"s.
Giro 2012: didn't have a bad day in the mountains. He was decent the whole Giro (but not great, like in the Vuelta of the same year, due to a tough spring)
Vuelta 2012: Fuente De, ok.
Tour 2013: He suffered in the Pyrenees because of a hard crash in stage 6. Not due to a bad day. Rode better and better during that race.
Giro 2014: crash
Vuelta 2014: Really consistent. In every mountain stage with the 5 best climbers in the race (in some mountain stages he was better)
Tour 2015: He was in bad shape in general (despite his stage win on Plateau de Beille)
Vuelta 2015: No bad day at all.
He's actually a damn good climber by himself. Not in the league of Contador, Froome and Quintana anymore. But he was in that league back in 2012/2013. Bardet and Pinot still have to enter that league.
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He was good yesterday, but maybe the best indication was his final sprint which for the first time since a long time did actually distance everyone and created a gap, just like he used to do in his best years.
I'm not trying to get my hopes up, because I Think he's passed his best years, but he did look good. I guess tomorrow will tell us a lot more.
I must say I'd love to see him do well, certainly now that AC is kinda KO.
I'm not trying to get my hopes up, because I Think he's passed his best years, but he did look good. I guess tomorrow will tell us a lot more.
I must say I'd love to see him do well, certainly now that AC is kinda KO.
I was hopeful that he would be all in for the Tour (+Rio) this year, there wasn't really any other explanation for his (relatively) poor season thus far. First box ticked but the mountains are still anyone's guess. Taxus is correct in that Purito does have another level for high mountains where he can match the best, just that we rarely see it. Dauphine 2011, Vuelta 2012 and Tour 2013 (week three) stand out for me in that regard. There are perhaps other reasons why he didn't match those performances in 2014/2015 (injury/wider focus).
I don't think the Sky style or racing suits him and not sure he can be consistent for the next two weeks. Even if his climbing is immaculate, I think the ITT is too flat/long to challenge what we expect from Froome overall. But there is so much climbing to come maybe everyone has a bad day in them and generally Purito is better on those final days.
Let's see how it goes, if I were to have a guess I'd say it's Purito v Aru for 3rd.
I don't think the Sky style or racing suits him and not sure he can be consistent for the next two weeks. Even if his climbing is immaculate, I think the ITT is too flat/long to challenge what we expect from Froome overall. But there is so much climbing to come maybe everyone has a bad day in them and generally Purito is better on those final days.
Let's see how it goes, if I were to have a guess I'd say it's Purito v Aru for 3rd.
I think age has actually caught up with him and he is no longer as explosive as he was before. This used to be his main strength
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3rd place is not possible imo. I'm happy with a stage win + top 10 in GC. I think the latter is possible. But not the podium.
I mean, yesterday we saw the best Purito so far this season, together with the Purito of Arrate (where he was able to follow Pinot, Contador and Henao).
And for the first time this year he had some explosivity: he could attack, instead of just react and follow. He had something left in the final, which is positive for the coming days.
I mean, yesterday we saw the best Purito so far this season, together with the Purito of Arrate (where he was able to follow Pinot, Contador and Henao).
And for the first time this year he had some explosivity: he could attack, instead of just react and follow. He had something left in the final, which is positive for the coming days.
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If GVA gets dropped really early, do we think Purito might try something on the final climb to try and take the yellow jersey? If his goal is only top 10 GC, he doesn't have to try and follow Froome on Arcalis so could use some energy today.
He has sailed under the radar so far, I wonder if the KOM jersey is on his mind. Maybe not as he would have been more active on the previous climbs to rack up some points.The next two stages should thin out the possible podium riders and I probably would not have included Rodriguez in that group. I think he will look for stage win and a top 10 should be manageable maybe top 8.
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He's too well placed to get freedom for the polka dots, but yellow will be on his mind, even if only for one day. His old buddy Valverde won't allow it though. They'll target each other and let Rui Costa win.
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Well hopefully Valverde should be helping Quintana, and there's no point chasing Rodriguez to stop him getting yellow in the grand scheme of things.
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Froome and Purito are good friends, so I think he will gladly allow him to attack and get the yellow jersey for a day. Especially knowing that he will mostly have to deal with Quintana on Arcalis. Same with Quintana.
The real problem is Valverde who is likely to shut down his attacks. Let's hope he wouldn't.
Squirbos_19 said:
Froome and Purito are good friends, so I think he will gladly allow him to attack and get the yellow jersey for a day. Especially knowing that he will mostly have to deal with Quintana on Arcalis. Same with Quintana.
The real problem is Valverde who is likely to shut down his attacks. Let's hope he wouldn't.
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