Purito - Joaquim Rodriguez thread

[hrotha]

Not to worry, Purito has said on Twitter he'll keep trying to wait for all his rivals to spontaneously blow themselves up.

 

[DFA123]

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Just look at how he's built. I think he did an average TT. Not good, not bad.

But podium is sure safe now. And eventually that's the place he deserves.

Not sure a podium is safe yet. Not with Nario and his 'end of the third week super-peak' lurking just behind.

 

[Arredondo]

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Just look at how he's built. I think he did an average TT. Not good, not bad.

But podium is sure safe now. And eventually that's the place he deserves.

Not sure a podium is safe yet. Not with Nario and his 'end of the third week super-peak' lurking just behind.

It would be a disgrace for cycling if Movistar is able to blow up the race. Especially Valverde. Not able to follow guys like Nieve and Meintjes uphill and now suddently 3rd in a TT?

Quintana will never drop Purito 1.5 minute on some of the upcoming climbs. The only chance is a coup or an attack from 50/60 km out. But normally Quintana doesn't have the super shape to do that.

 

[Arredondo]

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Not to worry, Purito has said on Twitter he'll keep trying to wait for all his rivals to spontaneously blow themselves up.

You don't have anything else to do rather then this pathetic talk?

 

[roundabout]

The only thing that is pathetic is Rodriguez twittering how he will continue to try after having done nothing (except for 2 downhills) to break the race on a much more suitable terrain knowing that he will have a massive deficit in the TT

 

[hrotha]

Exactly.

Also, this isn't your playground, fanboy.

 

[Arredondo]

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Exactly.

Also, this isn't your playground, fanboy.

You're just a little child. Go and dwell in the 50's and 60's, and let a rider who does his best just alone.

 

[Arredondo]

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The only thing that is pathetic is Rodriguez twittering how he will continue to try after having done nothing (except for 2 downhills) to break the race on a much more suitable terrain knowing that he will have a massive deficit in the TT

It's all about the legs. He did what he had to do.

He just communicate with his followers. Relax dude. It's really pathetic that some nobody's behind a PC judge and criticize him.

 

[hrotha]

If we're the children here, how come you're the one doing all the insulting.

 

[Arredondo]

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If we're the children here, how come you're the one doing all the insulting.

Yeah sure, it was me who started

Sometimes it's better just to leave some topics alone.

 

[Metabolol]

I have to be honest, I'm glad Purito lost the lead. I'm not a big fan of his and I would rather see someone who dares and has the ability to put in longer range attacks win a GT.

At the same time Purito rides in a way that is best for him and you can't blame him if the others can't or won't attack.

 

[hrotha]

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Yeah sure, it was me who started

Sometimes it's better just to leave some topics alone.

Actually, yes, it was you. I just came here to post my opinion in the proper thread and I didn't even engage any of you guys.

And no, I'm not going to leave this topic alone. As I said, it's not the fanboy's playground. One of my biggest pet peeves with this forum is fanboys who think the specific rider threads belong to them.

 

[Arredondo]

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Yeah sure, it was me who started

Sometimes it's better just to leave some topics alone.

Actually, yes, it was you. I just came here to post my opinion in the proper thread and I didn't even engage any of you guys.

And no, I'm not going to leave this topic alone. As I said, it's not the fanboy's playground. One of my biggest pet peeves with this forum is fanboys who think the specific rider threads belong to them.

''Not to worry, Purito has said on Twitter he'll keep trying to wait for all his rivals to spontaneously blow themselves up''

I rest my case.

 

[hrotha]

What's your point? Are you suggesting I wasn't expressing my opinion through that post?

Anyway, this is pointless. I'd rather talk about this gem from Purito:

Either because of the route or because of the rivals, I never end up winning a Grand Tour

"Because of the route"? How much more Purito-friendly could the routes of contemporary GTs be? What else does he want? He should have no business being a GT contender, yet here we are.

 

[jsem94]

I agree. The way he TTs, he shouldn't be able to win GTs. Unless of course he climbs like Pantani, but he has never done that.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I agree. The way he TTs, he shouldn't be able to win GTs. Unless of course he climbs like Pantani, but he has never done that.

But he has climbed supremely well (he was definetely top-3 in 2012, if not better) with and uncanny ability to finish the last K. That should be good enough, and it has been, but he ended up somehow losing both GT's that year which he should have won - at least one of those.

Its too late now I reckon. Absolute last chance will be the Giro I reckon, maybe the Vuelta this year, but if he cant win this year, it will be super hard to do it next year. I say he has passed his window. He is still a supremely gifted bikerider at this point, tho.

 

[jsem94]

It's his own fault for not having the legs on the Fuente De stage. He got left behind by Valverde who didn't lose nearly as much to Contador on that day.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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It's his own fault for not having the legs on the Fuente De stage. He got left behind by Valverde who didn't lose nearly as much to Contador on that day.

Valv lost something like 6 seconds that day. He was riding super well in that Vuelta, but was up against super prime Purito and Contador.

 

[Arredondo]

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It's his own fault for not having the legs on the Fuente De stage. He got left behind by Valverde who didn't lose nearly as much to Contador on that day.

He was a bit sick the 2 days before Fuente De, a horrible team that day, not having the legs on the flat, a super inspired Contador

He climbed almost as good on Fuente De then Contador. He was just extremely unlucky all the elements were against him that day. But you have to give the credits to Contador. He was better that day.

He's not an natural born GC-rider. Never been and never will. But he is a superb climber who has finished on the podium of all GT's. He's not the full-package rider like Froome, Contador or Nibali, but he's been one of the best GT-riders around, despite his weak points.

And he doesn't have the mentality and abilities of a Contador to turn things upside down and explode the race like in Fuente De. But how many riders do have that? You can't blame him for that really. It's just the mind and legs that decide.

 

[Angliru]

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If we're the children here, how come you're the one doing all the insulting.

Umm, you did just call him/her a fanboy, unless that was meant as a compliment (doubtful).

 

[WheelofGear]

He was the best climber in the last 3 mountain stages, but he still manages to throw it all away in the TT. Got to work on time trial skills for next year's Giro.

How many races has he lost due to his bad time trial? 4? 5? 6?

 

[Arredondo]

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He was the best climber in the last 3 mountain stages, but he still manages to throw it all away in the TT. Got to work on time trial skills for next year's Giro.

How many races has he lost due to his bad time trial? 4? 5? 6?

Really lost? I think 4

Pais Vasco in 2011 and 2012
Giro 2012
Vuelta 2010

This years edition is a bit difficult to rank (with only 1 second advantage to Aru before the TT).

But he has won a race once due to a TT! This year

 

[Miburo]

Purito fans might be worse than contador fans. Nothing wrong with what hrotha said.

He *** up this race, he knew he's a *** ITT. He made the exact same mistake in the giro, this guy never learns. Simple really.

Now what is wrong with that? Isn't that how he lost the giro?

 

[Arredondo]

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Purito fans might be worse than contador fans. Nothing wrong with what hrotha said.

He **** up this race, he knew he's a **** ITT. He made the exact same mistake in the giro, this guy never learns. Simple really.

Now what is wrong with that? Isn't that how he lost the giro?

Well, some Contador fans really do have a problem. They constantly think they need to say Contador is the best cyclist in the world and a better GT-rider then Froome. Quite stupid tbh.

You are just one of those guys who think cycling is some sort of a computer game, where rider A has to attack on that point, to get that amount of time....

It doesn't work that way. If you have the legs, sometimes it works. But if you are on your limit, it doesn't. The only mistake he made, is the stage to Caminito. But who would have thought at that point in the race Dumoulin would be factor GC-wise? Nobody.

On all the other stages, it was just a question of hanging in there and following Aru, because he was on his max, or limiting the damage on Aru because he climbed better. And in some stages he perhaps could have got more time on Dumoulin by attacking earlier, but he would have lost more time on Aru because he went to early comparing Fabio (Ermita stage for example).

But i'm feeling like Don Quichot. You don't want to understand, or you really think every rider is like Alberto Contador, and able to attack from 50 km out. That's not the case. In some kind of fairly tale world perhaps, but not in real life.

And i have never say he rode the Giro smart. He rode it like a coward on Plan and Stelvio. But this Vuelta, he did the only right tactic.

 

[SeriousSam]

Yeah, it's very hard to see how he could have ended up any better in relation to Aru than he is, had he attacked from far out.

Unless you think gaining 12 seconds in the last 800m means he could have gotten a minute if only he attacked from 5k which is, of course, absurd.

Aru's climbing, time trialling and Landa support was quite simply too good.