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Goes to show LA really does stir the emotions one way or another though. And because he does, i think it shows we need to be little careful before we jump all over people, esp. those new to the forum. Can understand where you're coming from TFF, but i think ultimately it was a good question, and that it was asked innocently enough. And it has spawned some genuinely good comments, I really liked pcm76 and David Suro's points. Maybe the title was going to get some up in arms given recent events on this forum, but because we're a little twitchy, maybe just need to hesistate before pulling the trigger?

Heck, even sprocket seemed to make a decent point (first one i've agreed with anyway!) when he said that these obsessive, ruthless, arrogant guys do tend to attract dislike (muhammed ali, schumacher etc.) but then perhaps, unfortunately, that attitude does help to take them to the headspace they are in that makes them win.

For the record, i respect the guy as a strong rider, but i don't like his style (give me a pantani or even schleck any day) and his personality in the last 12 months or so has REALLY turned me off. I don't think it helps that the mainstream media tends to salivate over him just because he won, when there's other riders who I much prefer to watch get less coverage cos they don't sell to the masses.
 
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dimspace said:
can we set a cut of point when we stop talking about lance...

i would like to propose Friday April 19th 2013, unless anyone has any better ideas.. :D

A nice idea....but what would people do with all the energy they put into being pro or anti-lance?:eek:
 
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msjett said:
A nice idea....but what would people do with all the energy they put into being pro or anti-lance?:eek:

Provide the entire energy requirements for a small city of course;) Will help reduce C02 emissions at least.
 

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ggusta said:
Well said, I will take some issue with the sentence above. Americans are not as dull and slow witted as many like to paint. Being savvy to an over exposed image is natural when our media celebrity besotted culture forces us to process so many 'icons' at a time. At some point in the last couple years, the level of exposure he had began to turn a lot of people off. The idea of loving the fairy tale is so much purer than when a person presents themself as the fairy tale. There is an imbalance from the idea versus reality. It sets off red flags for many. Opinion is turning on Lance here. Not enough to slow the gravy train yet, but his brand is mature. When a brand matures, we get one last big push to max out the revenues before it gets pushed aside by the next big thing.

We're in the midst of that now. The last push for revenue.

Interesting post - just to clarify I did not suggest Americans are dull and slow witted, but the general sports fan knows little about cycling and most of the exposure in the mainstream USA is Lance centric.

Before this years Tour I thought it was win/win for him, as in if he won he is the returning hero, if not than he would appear human, humble and gracious in defeat which would enhance his marketability.
Unfortunately he was neither humble or gracious.
 
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Interesting post - just to clarify I did not suggest Americans are dull and slow witted, but the general sports fan knows little about cycling and most of the exposure in the mainstream USA is Lance centric.

Before this years Tour I thought it was win/win for him, as in if he won he is the returning hero, if not than he would appear human, humble and gracious in defeat which would enhance his marketability.
Unfortunately he was neither humble or gracious.

Yes, but he was defeated. 1 for 3 is good in baseball.:D
 
guilder said:
I question how long CN will sponsor this forum. It reflects badly on their image of the CN cycling fan. If they understand the spike in cycling interest over the past year, I hope they understand it's not their new site or this horrific forum, but the returning LA. They'll dump this forum in less than a year, if not before January.

Not true fans, and will be gone the second he retires.
These same people couldn't name another rider.
 
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They invested themselves in hating him, and because he's able to overcome illness, hate, and age, they're losing their investment.

They're unable to avert their eyes, so they believe he's being forced on them.

If they want him to go away, they should try beating him in a bike race, not shouting on the internet.
 
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They invested themselves in hating him, and because he's able to overcome illness, hate, and age, they're losing their investment.

They're unable to avert their eyes, so they believe he's being forced on them.

If they want him to go away, they should try beating him in a bike race, not shouting on the internet.

You can't shout on an internet forum. Any framework for expressing yourself in written form on the internet only accepts electronic input and would therefore preclude someone from shouting. Maybe we could start a Youtube cycling forum or post a video on here...YES!!! You gave me a BRILLIANT idea. I am going to stop posting using words, and begin filming my responses, posting them to Youtube, and then pasting the URL here! (Please note that the words in all capital are a reflection of words that would be shouted if I were speaking, but are not really words that were shouted. I don't speak the words I am typing as I type them.)

You should get the Nobel Peace Prize or something!
 
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You can't read, or do logic, can you?

Wow, you found me out. I certainly cannot read. I have to get someone to do that for me, and then I dictate my response to them via telegraph as I can only correspond in Morse Code.

Junior, you suggest that people want me to stop posting. I post a thread in which the moderators are asked to continue letting me post. I think the reading comprehension is you problem. Quite frankly, I am starting to think the reason I have to explain my jokes is that fanboys have the IQ of a potato. (no, there isn't an "e" on the end) I also think that maybe you are jealous that the people who post here don't hold you in such high regard. Dang Junior, maybe they will accept you over at the shortbusnews.com Forum?
 
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I surmise that many people here think that's a good idea.

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The fact that some people want you to continue posting doesn't mean that others don't want you to stop posting.

So, clearly, you don't do logic.

Ah, but you used the word "many" and that my friend is the problem. That would suggest that there are a plethora of people chomping at the bit to have me cease posting. I think you will find that is not the case, and that it is you who have a bit of a comprehension problem Junior. Now, had you used "some" originally, I would not have proffered a contrary response because CLEARLY some do want that.

Dang, this just isn't your day.

And again, your reading comprehension problem makes you think I meant that "you" personally don't "do" logic. I meant that in a literal sense, logic is not something you "do." It is not an action. Man you and potatoes have a lot in common.
 
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Ideas ARE logical or not. Concepts ARE logical or not. Philosophies ARE logical or not. Theories ARE logical or not, etc. Dang Junior...
 
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I doubt anyone on these forums does logic, logic is very tricky.

For example someone explain this to me and it's (pardon the pun implication in an example), A implies B is true when A is true or false and B is false or A and B are both true but is false whenever B is true but A is false. That's elementary logic it gets way tougher.
 
cavfan11 said:
I have only been watching pro cycling for about a year or so, and only viewing these forums for about half that. I've noticed that it seems nearly every person here is willing to show their dislike of Lance Armstrong. I understand why people do (I am however surprised at the degree of which people will post things to prove why they do), but my question is: Has it always been this way?

Back in the 1999-2005 era, was Armstrong as hated of a figure as he is now? I am not a fanboy, but I am an American so Lance is in the media regardless of what the true cycling fans want.

Is there any more to say about the original post or are we done here?

It's all getting a bit see you behind the bike sheds after school for a bit of a scrap :rolleyes: