I think that being from altitude will help when racing at altitude, such as high alpine passes, I wonder if any study has been done on the differences versus the competion of Colombians on higher by altitude MTFs versus competion against lower MTFs.
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Netserk said:
Really? Where did Vayer say that? I'm afraid I missed that one. Where did you see it?
ebandit said:
I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I recall some years ago reading that people RAISED at altitude had permanent cardio-vascular adaptation. If I recall, you get 80-90% of the same changes by training at altitude, but that is the bit that goes away within 3 weeks.
But that is what I recall - so it leaves the question open - sfaic.
mrhender said:Maybe a politician in spe
I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that way. Behind his aplomb and quiet confidence also seems to be a good intelligence. Unlike some other stars, who when they speak, you realize it may be a good thing they are good at being bicycle racers, as there may be a limited market for any other of their abilities.
His gifts are more genetic than being born and raised in the Andes at high altitude. We can see now and from the 80's than in general the small built and the redblood cell count helps in the climbing but by no means is the main reason why Lucho Herrera or Nairo Quintana are some of the best talent in the mountains. IMHO.
Escarabajo said:His gifts are more genetic than being born and raised in the Andes at high altitude. We can see now and from the 80's than in general the small built and the redblood cell count helps in the climbing but by no means is the main reason why Lucho Herrera or Nairo Quintana are some of the best talent in the mountains. IMHO.
Escarabajo published an interview of him on the Professional forum from "El Tiempo" newspaper, which reveals the results of the tests done by Movistar where he claims he achieved 7 watts per kilo. The test was repeated twice because they thought the machine wasn't properly calibrated, and when he repeated the same results, they literally Locked him in to sign a contract at the spot.
Dear Wiggo said:
I don't know **** about biology, but wikipedia disagrees with you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_adaptation_in_humans
Dear Wiggo said:
It has EVEN less impact on your children. Your genetic code doesn't change based on how much you train, and that's pretty much all you pass to your children (especially as a male ). It's an often misunderstood concept about evolution.
Of course there are possibly impacts based on the mother's health status/fitness/lifestyle during conception and pregnancy ( and even possibly on the men's healthetc on conception ) but that won't actually change your genetic code.
Edit: of course this is based on darwinian evolution, which is most likely not 100% fully accurate, but it's most likely pretty damn close to the real thing
hfer07 said:
Really...How come Valverde has not become a multiple winner ? Eh cause others were more doped and he got caught.
Some people are talking about his figures being possible etc etc. He gets better as the tours go on and faster up the high mountains and hits those figures at the end with relative ease when he should be getting gradually worse after a number of hard stages. Doping a certainty in my eyes.
Why...well because non dopers do not beat dopers and even if the sport has cleaned up a bit, and it may have with some of the new generation who do have off days....it hasnt gone fully and most of the top riders have been done for doping...Its usually the simple solutions that give you the answers .Its actually proving guilt that's harder no matter how easy it is to see its true.
hfer07 said:Escarabajo published an interview of him on the Professional forum from "El Tiempo" newspaper, which reveals the results of the tests done by Movistar where he claims he achieved 7 watts per kilo. The test was repeated twice because they thought the machine wasn't properly calibrated, and when he repeated the same results, they literally Locked him in to sign a contract at the spot.
I am sure that he also catches the biggest fish
Quintana gives the impression he's not trying. If he isn't the 2015 Tour could be interesting especially if he starts riding away from Froome on every mountain. Kenyan runners always had an advantage re altitude so the experts said. But how much is debatable and how much does altitude training do for the athletes not brought up in that environment ? I suppose it does not have to be much of a margin to make a noticeable difference. Armstrong's heart was supposed to be bigger than normal which is kinda ironic.
movingtarget said:
The heart size thing would be true for most elite athletes, however. So a moot point, and not a differentiator within the peloton.
movingtarget said:
How much of that could just be his awesome pokerface though? It could be just his straightforward riding face. Similarly, Denis Menchov looked like Ironman because he'd be suffering a thousand deaths with a totally blank look on his face, and Chris Anker S
movingtarget said:
How much of that could just be his awesome pokerface though? It could be just his straightforward riding face. Similarly, Denis Menchov looked like Ironman because he'd be suffering a thousand deaths with a totally blank look on his face, and Chris Anker Sorensen would look like he was on the rivet in a group ride because of his epic pain face.
hiero2 said:
You replied "no" - because of this tweet:
Netserk said:
Ok, that adds something to the convo.
Let's take a look at Vayer's twitters.
Which Google translates as "not clean, but it does mean that clean riders can do."
Roland is a French heroic legend who dies in the battle of Ronceveau pass. Fighting impossible odds, heroically, that sort of thing. We know who Rolland, is and Vayer being French, and the French generally thinking their French riders are riding cleaner than others - well - it all fits together.
I don't think Vayer would actually say ANYONE was clean. What he seems to be saying is they are performing in a range of power outputs that is possible when the riders are clean. This is a typical scientific manner of statement. And as close to saying "they are clean" as Vayer would ever get. I would still say he is holding this performance up as one that is not doped, or is less likely to be doped.
Libertine Seguros said:
True of course although I think Menchov showed more than Quintana which is a scary thing to say about a silent assassin !
Fastest ever up the Toussuire.
http://www.climbing-records.com/2015/07/new-record-on-la-toussuire-for-quintana.html
Apparently he wasnt 100%.
http://www.climbing-records.com/2015/07/new-record-on-la-toussuire-for-quintana.html
Apparently he wasnt 100%.
Re:
I think Nibali's time may be even more impressive/suspect, at least Quintana was drafting in a fairly big train during the first 11km.
AICA ribonucleotide said:
I think Nibali's time may be even more impressive/suspect, at least Quintana was drafting in a fairly big train during the first 11km.
Luckily they only started riding Toussuire in 2006. You know... the year after doping ended with the retirement of Lance. Beating Mayo and Rasmussen at the tail end of a Tour during the hardest stage of the lot. Totally cleans.
But as far as cheats go, I'd much rather watch Quintana climb fast in a bike race than Froome. At least I don't have dig my eyes out with a spoon when Quintana rockets up the climbs.
But as far as cheats go, I'd much rather watch Quintana climb fast in a bike race than Froome. At least I don't have dig my eyes out with a spoon when Quintana rockets up the climbs.
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