I like the idea of including the zona ribeirinha and the Avenida da Boavista.
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1) The one with at least 40 hairpins does not look usable. To fit fans and riders onto that would be chaos.Gigs_98 said:
lemon cheese cake said:1) The one with at least 40 hairpins does not look usable. To fit fans and riders onto that would be chaos.Gigs_98 said:
lemon cheese cake said:Another question seeings that i have only used the giro and tour profiles. Do the Vuelta not have cat 4 climbs?
Gigs_98 said:I work with cronoescalada for quite some time but I always design the races on openrunner (and then redesign the route for the good cronoescalada profile) because you have so much more options to make your route. Maybe I do something wrong but on cronoescalada I have only two option which are adding a new finish of my route and an undo option, while on openrunner I can also delete points in the middle of the route, I can add a new way point between two already existing ones,...
The problem is that making every race twice needs a lot of time, so does anyone of you know if there is any chance to import the route I designed on openrunner directly to cronoescalada so I don't have to design every stage again.
Just a random, friendly remark. I sometimes like to refer to the overused TdF climbs as Kardashian climbs. They are popping out everywhere at any time. i think I need to start a term of Race Design Thread's Kardashian Climbs. Biche, Grand Colombier & Mont du Chat (at least for me) are definitely here, with Sampeyre, Fauniera/Esishie etc.Steven Roots said:Stage 9 : Oyonnax - Le Bourget-du-Lac, 180km.
Oyonnax received a stage start, and it was not long ago (2014).
But i think that the Tour did not give Jura the credit it deserves.
Like the Vosges, its been too often neglected, if not just ignored.
Even though we're actually very close from Lyon and Geneva, the six climbs riders will have to take care of today have seen the Tour for the grand total of...twice. Combined.
And thats only because the Grand Colombier made its debut in 2012. Thats simply atrocious.
The combination Sentier-Bérentin is perfect to start the race, with the ascents being done right after the exit of Oyonnax. Controlling the race should be very difficult and will tire the teammates very quickly.
They're not necessarily mega steep but with already over 20k climbing, that will tire everyone, although i should say the Bérentin is slightly harder than the Sentier (this one being 8km long with an average slope of 5%).
After 15km of valley, close to the Rhône, we then have the Col de la Biche, brand new on the Tour. Which is a joke.
13km long, with a gradient over 7% in average...thats an average.
Because we have a long part over 9.5% between the 3rd and 8th kilometer, that will surely hurt.
And thats far from over, since after the descent, we go right up again with the Grand Colombier. On his harder side.
Nasty ascent, largely considered as one of the toughest of all for non-Alpine/Pyrenean mountains.
Irregular, with a poorly surfaced road at times, the gradient can be as high as 19% at one point.
The fact that we have yet to see this combination Biche-Grand Colombier is mind-boggling, as they're perfectly connected to each other.
After the descent (which may prove to be harder than expected as there is often some tricky gravel on the asphalt), we end up on the other bank of the Rhône, alongside the Lake Bourget. For the legs, it will be awful, but at least, there is something for the eye.
The Côte d'Ontex allows us to not give any big rest to the riders. Just a 3rd category climb, but still, thats not flat.
There should not be big groups left at this stage, and the group of leaders should be seriously small at this point.
The Abbaye of Hautecombe is right there and thats the right time to pray.
Because something terrible awaits.
The Mont du Chat. Unseen on the Tour since 1974.
We're using the slightly easier side, but there is no easy side. This one will leave some marks on the bodies.
Slightly longer than the Grand Colombier. Once we're past Meyrieu-Trouet, thats hell on wheels. Never under 10% for the last 8km. There is no hiding possible.
For some high-profile names, this will be ugly.
The finish will take place at the Bourget du Lac, which is at the bottom of the descent.
The road is not perfect, but its not a overly technical one with the classical combo straights/hairpins.
However, i must say that there is an unknown factor : rain.
As it is in the forest, if it rains, it may be very adventurous. (And thats also the case for the Biche and the Grand Colombier done earlier).
The rest day is coming next, we can expect some fireworks on this stage, with over 5.000m in elevation gain.