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[Polish]

Instead just answer the question, where are all the Lance fans gone?

Seriously pmcg, why would Lance Fans want to hang out in the CN Clinic?
Probably one of the LAST places you would find them.

There are millions and millions and millions of Lance fans.

Check out the Livestrong forum. Never posted there but I bet its nice.
Bigger than CN. Sure, there are some haters over there I imagine.

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[flicker]

Ummmmm dude you are a bit wrong. The NIKE brand is a running shoe at the core. The cycling BS is just a small freaking fringe of the business. You may want to actualy research the company and Bill Bowerman! Pre is turning the F over in his grave over your post. BTW "Pre" was the real deal and there will never be a substitute,,,,,just ask Frank Shorter or Bill Rodgers. Please do not pimp out the NIKE name with such loose statistics again. I am drunk and tired and cannot keep up with all the foolishness.

But going back to the running issue, all these old runners are turning to cycling as they have trashed their knees, and guess what kind of bikes they ride?
As a cyclist and not a runner I wear NIKEs, I suggest you do to, healthier.

 

[pedaling squares]

There are millions and millions and millions of Lance fans.

Check out the Livestrong forum. Never posted there but I bet its nice.
Bigger than CN. Sure, there are some haters over there I imagine.

Statistics
Total posts 774830 | Total topics 55731 | Total members 3649326

Livestrong has 3.65 million forum members with only 3/4 of a million things to say.

CN has 19,000 forum members with 465,000 things to say.

Either we are way too engaged or many of them share a brain.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

But going back to the running issue, all these old runners are turning to cycling as they have trashed their knees, and guess what kind of bikes they ride?
As a cyclist and not a runner I wear NIKEs, I suggest you do to, healthier.

Hey tell me what type of bikes they ride. I ride a Cannondale. I wear Nike running shoes no doubt. Thanks for the suggestion. BTW I have been paid to wear Asics, how about you? Are you paid to wear Nikes?

 

[flicker]

Hey tell me what type of bikes they ride. I ride a Cannondale. I wear Nike running shoes no doubt. Thanks for the suggestion. BTW I have been paid to wear Asics, how about you? Are you paid to wear Nikes?

No nikes fit my feet that is all.

 

[Cobblestoned]

The problem with people like yourself is that you somehow view Lance as just another cyclist doping. That is my attitude to most guys who get caught. I dont freak out over Ricco, Vino, Ullrich etc.

Lance is not just another cyclist doping, he represents something else outside of the small cycling world. As I said, Armstrong had time away from the sport 1997 in which he suffered from a terrible disease which could have killed him. He had time to analyse his life options etc and he chose to come back and dope himself to the gills. Thats fine but dont then try to hold yourself up as a representative or role model thats false.

When he decided to target the Tour, its hard to imagine that they didnt envisage what would happen if a cancer survivor won. Thats why I think they cynically pushed the cancer angle as it would both provide a safety net from the doubters and also open up more doors for profiteering which is exactly what happened. That to me at least is incredibly cynical and immoral, its clear also that the more questions were raised, the more the cancer angle came into play, this was especially true for the comeback in 09.

Why was Lance the most profitable cyclist of all time, becasue he won the Tour 7 times. NO, its because he pushed the cancer angle for maximun effect. Compare him with Contador or LeMond who survived horrible afflictions. Neither of them really played up their brushes with death.

Its time to drop the "everyone else doped" line becasue that is not whats its about. Its about "the end justifying the means"

Big fail again, cause around time when Lance was at his prime, money in sports and commercial business where put to other spheres and dimensions.
Lance was a perfect brand, but not just because of his cancerstory.
Especially because he is just Lance, because he was a great athlet, somehow clever and very communicable - when it comes to athlets. When it comes to this, Alberto is a peasant compared to Lance. Nothing against Contador - it is enough for an athlet to let his legs speak. If professional athlet is somehow marketable then this is just on top.

If Eddy Merckx had been at his prime around that time, he would have so much money now, that he could break down the alpes, and build them up in Belgium again - with golden mountaintops.

To your other big fail - comparing Lance with Contador and shot LeMond - hmmm, again nothing against Contador, but no one really knew him at that time, while Lance had a name and big palmares even before cancer.
Well, Greg was shot, and I remember this beeing a story after his comeback.
But I doubt that number of lead-shots had big positive impact on his income and popularity, too.

It can never be bad to put up something useful.
Perhaps some people should try to differ between the man Armstrong and the athlet Armstrong. Of course Lance doesn't, but just because he can't cause it is impossible most of the time.
This would be impossible for anyone beeing Lance.

But just try.

 

[Hampsten88]

After reading this forum for a long time I decided to join yesterday after reading the threads about Paris-Roubaix. Tonight I decided to peruse the clinic and decided to post, knowing full well that I will be attacked and labeled, but I will jump in none the less.

The thing that I see in LA threads in forums like CF,DP,BF,RBR and here is the hypocrisy. The pro LA people can post some stupid, blind things, they can go after people with some serious venom, but then I see precisely the same things from the anti-LA people. The one difference I see is that the anti-LA people take comments and posts from pro-LA people very personally.

Just an observation from what I have seen on a number of forums.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

After reading this forum for a long time I decided to join yesterday after reading the threads about Paris-Roubaix. Tonight I decided to peruse the clinic and decided to post, knowing full well that I will be attacked and labeled, but I will jump in none the less.

The thing that I see in LA threads in forums like CF,DP,BF,RBR and here is the hypocrisy. The pro LA people can post some stupid, blind things, they can go after people with some serious venom, but then I see precisely the same things from the anti-LA people. The one difference I see is that the anti-LA people take comments and posts from pro-LA people very personally.

Just an observation from what I have seen on a number of forums.

real deal? If so I am honored! YOU DA BUSINESS! Your observation is right on the money.

 

[Cobblestoned]

After reading this forum for a long time I decided to join yesterday after reading the threads about Paris-Roubaix. Tonight I decided to peruse the clinic and decided to post, knowing full well that I will be attacked and labeled, but I will jump in none the less.

The thing that I see in LA threads in forums like CF,DP,BF,RBR and here is the hypocrisy. The pro LA people can post some stupid, blind things, they can go after people with some serious venom, but then I see precisely the same things from the anti-LA people. The one difference I see is that the anti-LA people take comments and posts from pro-LA people very personally.

Just an observation from what I have seen on a number of forums.

Heeeeey, welcome !
I won't really attack you - its just some water.

 

[D-Queued]

After reading this forum for a long time I decided to join yesterday after reading the threads about Paris-Roubaix. Tonight I decided to peruse the clinic and decided to post, knowing full well that I will be attacked and labeled, but I will jump in none the less.

The thing that I see in LA threads in forums like CF,DP,BF,RBR and here is the hypocrisy. The pro LA people can post some stupid, blind things, they can go after people with some serious venom, but then I see precisely the same things from the anti-LA people. The one difference I see is that the anti-LA people take comments and posts from pro-LA people very personally.

Just an observation from what I have seen on a number of forums.

Can I suggest you take another, closer look?

But, if you are suggesting that pro- and anti- follow the same patterns can I suggest that you consider:
- Deliberate, behind the scenes pressure to ban and/or find the identity of posters who mainly post background facts?
- Open threats against posters and individuals
- The wide tolerance provided to pro- posters whose modus operandi is to submarine threads and discussion

There are those with very consistent and concerted agenda (e.g. this BPC person that is oft referred to here) that do run afoul of the rules and are constantly shown the door.

There have been legitimate supporters on many of these dicussion boards as well.

In the Floyd case, however, it was not clear as it progressed how many of these may have also been promoting their own agendas.

In the end, the discussion boards are a made-for opportunity at PR manipulation by those with an agenda and/or those that can personally profit from PR. That alone is a strongly biased scenario.

As these are also the tarnished stars, they have an inherent motivation to derail any dialog and debate. Even some moderators on some sites have had a less than hidden agenda.

We have had to wade through plenty of BS (e.g. drunken mice defenses of Testosterone). And, have to be careful to use the conditional tense when evidence is all but overwhelming. Or, to use codenames even with public figures. Meanwhile smearing of others (e.g. WADA, USADA & FDA professionals) is openly tolerated.

To wage a BS campaign from those critical of doping-tainted performances would almost certainly attract the quick attention of moderators - often through complaint by PR agents - if not get critiqued by other posters as well.

Dave.

 

[patricknd]

After reading this forum for a long time I decided to join yesterday after reading the threads about Paris-Roubaix. Tonight I decided to peruse the clinic and decided to post, knowing full well that I will be attacked and labeled, but I will jump in none the less.

The thing that I see in LA threads in forums like CF,DP,BF,RBR and here is the hypocrisy. The pro LA people can post some stupid, blind things, they can go after people with some serious venom, but then I see precisely the same things from the anti-LA people. The one difference I see is that the anti-LA people take comments and posts from pro-LA people very personally.

Just an observation from what I have seen on a number of forums.

Is this where we all jump in and call him a troll, and a public strategies employee?

I'm still a little unsure of the protocol.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Is this where we all jump in and call him a troll, and a public strategies employee?

I'm still a little unsure of the protocol.

If it is Andy then he is about to catch the wrath of the ......YOUR A TROLL. / I am so mad ...I PUT YOU ON IGNORE feature that is on autopilot around here. Poor guy. He has no idea.

 

[flicker]

After reading this forum for a long time I decided to join yesterday after reading the threads about Paris-Roubaix. Tonight I decided to peruse the clinic and decided to post, knowing full well that I will be attacked and labeled, but I will jump in none the less.

The thing that I see in LA threads in forums like CF,DP,BF,RBR and here is the hypocrisy. The pro LA people can post some stupid, blind things, they can go after people with some serious venom, but then I see precisely the same things from the anti-LA people. The one difference I see is that the anti-LA people take comments and posts from pro-LA people very personally.

Just an observation from what I have seen on a number of forums.

One of the things I have seen with the anti-Lance contingent is there ability to move from forum to forum always with the same message. I think they take themselves very seriously. The Lance guys, like me(sensible, extremely fit, good looking, serious cyclists all) tend to stick to one forum. There has been a group that has been trying to wear us down with small barbs. I have learned how to take the spears, until I am fully loaded and then fling them back at my adverseries.

 

[Hampsten88]

Can I suggest you take another, closer look?

But, if you are suggesting that pro- and anti- follow the same patterns can I suggest that you consider:
- Deliberate, behind the scenes pressure to ban and/or find the identity of posters who mainly post background facts?
- Open threats against posters and individuals
- The wide tolerance provided to pro- posters whose modus operandi is to submarine threads and discussion

There are those with very consistent and concerted agenda (e.g. this BPC person that is oft referred to here) that do run afoul of the rules and are constantly shown the door.

There have been legitimate supporters on many of these dicussion boards as well.

In the Floyd case, however, it was not clear as it progressed how many of these may have also been promoting their own agendas.

In the end, the discussion boards are a made-for opportunity at PR manipulation by those with an agenda and/or those that can personally profit from PR. That alone is a strongly biased scenario.

As these are also the tarnished stars, they have an inherent motivation to derail any dialog and debate. Even some moderators on some sites have had a less than hidden agenda.

We have had to wade through plenty of BS (e.g. drunken mice defenses of Testosterone). And, have to be careful to use the conditional tense when evidence is all but overwhelming. Or, to use codenames even with public figures. Meanwhile smearing of others (e.g. WADA, USADA & FDA professionals) is openly tolerated.

To wage a BS campaign from those critical of doping-tainted performances would almost certainly attract the quick attention of moderators - often through complaint by PR agents - if not get critiqued by other posters as well.

Dave.

Dave, I think you just presented about as good of an example of what I was talking about. Thank you, I appreciate it very much and am glad that you have such a refined sense of humor.

 

[Granville57]

OK, a general reminder to all that we are on the whole OK with small diversions, but the last couple of days have seen far too many threads in nosedives.
<snip>
That has got to stop now.

But going back to the running issue...

Tonight I decided to peruse the clinic and decided to post, knowing full well that I will be attacked and labeled, but I will jump in none the less.

I'm just going to assume that everyone has Francois on ignore (are Mods immune to that, btw?).

This thread has become a bad joke.

 

[Deagol]

Well its good to see that you have been convinced that Armstring is a scumbag doper, rather than a nice doper.

There may well be a high amount of posters and views on here, but just about everyone on here has the same opinion. Its a nice place to have your beliefs validated by the majority, but its hardly a challenge.

You don't get it. Many people, myself included, were big Armstrong fans before coming here. I am no longer and I have probably turned about a dozen or so people who don't follow cycling into FORMER Armstrong fans with some of the info I learned about from here.

 

[Granville57]

Aw, what the hell. What's not to love about a thread implosion?

How do you guys raise the strength to bring up the same opinions time and time and time again? Its not like you are changing hearts and minds in here.

This actually is not true.

I love how sometimes the briefest posts say the most. It's something I need to work on.

There may well be a high amount of posters and views on here, but just about everyone on here has the same opinion. Its a nice place to have your beliefs validated by the majority, but its hardly a challenge.

You seem to be missing one of the primary points in all this.
The "challenge" is what many of us have been contending with for the past twelve years. Having had LA jammed down our throats from every single form of media imaginable, has taken a toll on some. If many people on here share the same opinion, than that is often the result of having been assaulted with the other opinion for far too long. Does that bother you? Then by all means, stay with the masses. It should be much more comfortable.

It is endlessly amusing to me to see people who appear to be so threatened by a group that is supposed to be the fringe minority. Since the rest of the world believes the myth, why does it matter that many of the lowly dwellars of The Clinic believe otherwise?

Unless of course we are changing hearts and minds...

 

[Hugh Januss]

Dave, I think you just presented about as good of an example of what I was talking about. Thank you, I appreciate it very much and am glad that you have such a refined sense of humor.

Two posts in and already on a first name basis, gosh it's almost like you have been here before, maybe in a previous life?

 

[D-Queued]

Dave, I think you just presented about as good of an example of what I was talking about. Thank you, I appreciate it very much and am glad that you have such a refined sense of humor.

Laughed at or with, mirth is good.

Dave.

 

[andy1234]

I have to applaud Polish and Flicker.

Their craptastic ability to completely derail a thread with senseless babble and make it completely unreadable should secure them a prime spot in the new troll hall of fame being erected in Austin

This is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
Lots of well constructed, well thought out rehashing of Armstrong facts we have all heard 1000 times.

And who is it for? Polish, Flicker, Cobblestoned? Because just about everyone else here is in agreement.

Polish, flicker and Cobblestoned are nuts, but at least they know where to take their fight...

 

[BroDeal]

This is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
Lots of well constructed, well thought out rehashing of Armstrong facts we have all heard 1000 times.

And who is it for? Polish, Flicker, Cobblestoned? Because just about everyone else here is in agreement.

Polish, flicker and Cobblestoned are nuts, but at least they know where to take their fight...

If people were not here to refute their distortions then they would be spewing lies in defense of Armstrong in the same way they did during the years before the average schmuck figured out that Armstrong is a fraud. Polish started off as a hardcore Armstrong defender. When he found that he could not convince anyone, he changed to a troll with a bad comedy act.

 

[Benotti69]

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i fail to see hypocrisy from those who post on here who genuinely discussing the PEDs in the sport of which LA was the king in his day. The fact that he is under investigation for it also contributes to the number of threads/posts. The anti LA people are anti LA because of who he is, his fraudulent wins on a bike and what he does with his 'awareness slush fund' amongst his other sociopathic behaviour. Those who are pro LA tend to consider those anti what LA stands for and call them haters and while some, a small minority, hate, i guess most are angry, upset, disappointed and betrayed by his treatment of the sport, other riders, fans and donors to his 'awareness slush fund'.

If you have been reading here for a while you have missed the real vibe of the clinic and that is easy to do with trolls like flickie, ballpolisher, cobbledy and others providing such a laugh.

 

[Hampsten88]

Two posts in and already on a first name basis, gosh it's almost like you have been here before, maybe in a previous life?

Nope, I just completely read his posts...including where he signs them "Dave" every time.

 

[Digger]

Nope, I just completely read his posts...including where he signs them "Dave" every time.[/QUOTE

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[Hampsten88]

i fail to see hypocrisy from those who post on here who genuinely discussing the PEDs in the sport of which LA was the king in his day. The fact that he is under investigation for it also contributes to the number of threads/posts. The anti LA people are anti LA because of who he is, his fraudulent wins on a bike and what he does with his 'awareness slush fund' amongst his other sociopathic behaviour. Those who are pro LA tend to consider those anti what LA stands for and call them haters and while some, a small minority, hate, i guess most are angry, upset, disappointed and betrayed by his treatment of the sport, other riders, fans and donors to his 'awareness slush fund'.

If you have been reading here for a while you have missed the real vibe of the clinic and that is easy to do with trolls like flickie, ballpolisher, cobbledy and others providing such a laugh.

Let me see if I get this straight, you claim that attacking people for attacking others is not hypocrisy because you claim that you guys are "genuinely discussing PED's" then you go on to rip on all pro-LA people while excusing all anti-LA people and you name specific people as trolls who make me miss out on the "real vibe" of the clinic, people who do the exact same thing you and others who dislike LA do all the time.

Wow, I have to apologize to Dave as he clearly did not provide the best example of what I was talking about since you just blew it out of the water.

The thing that really gets me is that people like you, regardless of which side you are on, actually believe the nonsense you spew forth. You actually believe that you are doing nothing hypocritical, that it is all the people on the other side who are at fault. I truly can't decide whether to laugh at people like you or feel sorry for people like you...regardless of whether you are pro or anti-LA.