Random French guys ripping up the Tour

[yespatterns]

Doped or not, I just can't see 2nd and 3rd in this year's TDF repeating their success in 2015. I see it as a flash in the pan to be honest. Their teams don't have the depth of talent or budget to support a 100% TDF GC attempt in the same manner that Sky, BMC, etc have. I think they came into the tour hoping to snipe stage wins and ended up exceeding their expectations.

Pinots progression has been steady. What are you talking about?

 

[gooner]

So Brailsford wasn't lying about his plans for a future French Tour winner. Interested in Barguil.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/10996550/.html

 

[thehog]

So Brailsford wasn't lying about his plans for a future French Tour winner. Interested in Barguil.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/10996550/.html

I stopped reading after line 3 when it said "Geriant Thomas could be future Grand Tour winner".....

More BS.

Barguil can look forward to pacing Thomas around. Great career move.

 

[Hawkwood]

I stopped reading after line 3 when it said "Geriant Thomas could be future Grand Tour winner".....

More BS.

Barguil can look forward to pacing Thomas around. Great career move.

Written by someone who was the Telegraph's Formula 1 correspondent until last year!

 

[Hawkwood]

Then why would a kid begin or persevere in cycling knowing that if he/she makes it, he/she will be called a doper, dragged in the mud, guilty or not? What about the guys who are clean? Collateral damage of the 'guilty until proven innocent'? That is so not right!

I'm not too certain that fighting the absurd with the absurd is the way to go.

If the goal is to eradicate doping in the sport, there may be more sensible steps to take, and I will be redundant:

1. Kick all convicted dopers out of the sport, race organization, teams, TV booths.
2. Have riders sign a contract as a requisite for obtaining their license: if we catch you, you will pay back the $ double, plus 10% interests per year (or something like that).
3. Teams and sponsors: give a $10M deposit, reimbursed 10 years after you quit cycling. One of your riders gets busted? You pay!

There're probably more points that could be added to these three. Unfortunately, the very first point got an answer from Cookson today: Mr. 60% and Vino's jobs are safe

To points 1, 2 and 3 make sure you've got the best barristers as you're going to spend an awful lot of time in court!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Did someone post this already?

Thomas Voeckler stops mid race and abuses Dutch fans after being booed in Le Tour De France 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RYBln_Jnas&feature=youtu.be

 

[buckle]

So Brailsford wasn't lying about his plans for a future French Tour winner. Interested in Barguil.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/10996550/.html

If he want to keep this project going, he will have to use a frog. Wiggins and Froome would be dumped in that scenario.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Not sure if they booed or were too close to the road?

 

[Big Doopie]

FWIW Peraud's VO2 is reportedly 88-89.

That's Hinault numbers I believe.

 

[movingtarget]

So Pinot wasn't going for GC after his previous strong results at the Tour? Just hoping to "snipe" a stage win?

School up.

Plus he learned to go downhill again. I still think he is a long way from winning a GT but moving in the right direction and a better TT rider than some of the other French climbers. I agree he is better than just a stage hunter.

 

[earfloss]

I agree that he's a level above a stage hunter but for whatever reason I feel that was their peak result and will be hard to achieve again. I can't back that up, it's just a feeling. Especially if the bigger budget GC boys don't crash out and they run their boring slow burn tactics on the front. Part of what made each stage so exciting this year was the absence of USPS style tactics until 3k to go. Many more chances for aggressive and opportunistic style riding.

 

[Afrank]

Not sure if they booed or were too close to the road?

I think I might have heard a boo sound, and the guy filming it said they booed in the title so would assume that would be accurate.

LOL at the fans immediately apologizing. Didn't really expect him to stop I guess.

 

[Escarabajo]

FWIW Peraud's VO2 is reportedly 88-89.

That's Hinault numbers I believe.

Science of the sport reported it at 85. Measured.

http://sportsscientists.com/2014/07/the-physiology-at-the-front-of-the-tour/

To do this, we use Jean-Christophe Peraud, currently lying in third, and who managed to climb with Nibali on two occasions in the mountains. He provides a useful barometer because his VO2max is ‘known’ to be 85 ml/kg/min. This according to Antoine Vayer and also Frederic Portoleau, who’ve tested him a few times.

Hinault was 86 in winter and 93 in summer. So he said.

http://www.gitaneusa.com/Hinault.asp

Right. Do you recall your VO2 max at the time ?

Yes. 93.

That’s huge. Big engine.

Yes. And you have the results to go with it. 86 in the winter, 93 in the summer.

And what your lung volume ?

Not that big, 6.6 liters, 7 liters depending on the measuring machine.

And your BPM ?

34 for the lowest, 198 for the highest.

Wow…beautiful machine…

Different values.

 

[Big Doopie]

Science of the sport reported it at 85. Measured.

http://sportsscientists.com/2014/07/the-physiology-at-the-front-of-the-tour/



Hinault was 86 in winter and 93 in summer. So he said.

http://www.gitaneusa.com/Hinault.asp



Different values.

hmm. interesting.

Lavenu apparently said Peraud was 88-89. according to one of the podcasts.

it would make sense that he was at the top end of GC if true, only if the other riders were not able to push their capacities way beyond natural that is, with O2 vector doping.

i sometimes wonder if the incredible emotion he let out after the ITT was simply happiness at being second, or also mixed with amazement at finally having his natural talent be duly recompensed at age 37...

 

[Tonton]

hmm. interesting.

Lavenu apparently said Peraud was 88-89. according to one of the podcasts.

it would make sense that he was at the top end of GC if true, only if the other riders were not able to push their capacities way beyond natural that is, with O2 vector doping.

i sometimes wonder if the incredible emotion he let out after the ITT was simply happiness at being second, or also mixed with amazement at finally having his natural talent be duly recompensed at age 37...

In 'Not Normal', Vayer lists four "clean French" riders, Moncoutie, Roy, and both Pinot and JCP. In both cases, analysis of their 2012 and 2011 TdF respectively.

JCP 2011 Stage -Actual Power W -W/kg -Power at 78kg W
Luz Ardiden -339 -5.42 -375
Beille -362 -5.79 -400
Galibier -338 -5.41 -374
Alpe d'Huez -354 -5.66 -391
Average -348 -5.6 -385

Also, for comparison stage 20, final 42.5km ITT, 6th 1:33 behind T.Martin

Pinot 2012 Stage -Actual Power W -W/kg -Power at 78kg W
Planches des BF -389 -6.17 -424
Col de la Croix -392 -6.22 -428
Grand Colombier -360 -5.71 -392
La Toussuire -377 -5.98 -408
Peyresourde West -340 -5.40 -371
Peyresourde East -394 -6.25 -429
Average -370 -5.9 -403
Note: all lines are green, except for Pinot's Peyresourde East performance: yellow-"suspicious". Yet Vayer vouches for them.

At first glance, JCP looked definitely clean in '11 and the 2012 Pinot looked clean.

2011-2 to 2014: marginal gains or not? I read a lot of posts, the skeptics are many, but aside from arm chair quarterback comments/feelings, I can't seem to find any data to either feel good about the two Frenchies, or scratch my head and wonder. Data anyone?

 

[Benotti69]

In 'Not Normal', Vayer lists four "clean French" riders, Moncoutie, Roy, and both Pinot and JCP. In both cases, analysis of their 2012 and 2011 TdF respectively.

JCP 2011 Stage -Actual Power W -W/kg -Power at 78kg W
Luz Ardiden -339 -5.42 -375
Beille -362 -5.79 -400
Galibier -338 -5.41 -374
Alpe d'Huez -354 -5.66 -391
Average -348 -5.6 -385

Also, for comparison stage 20, final 42.5km ITT, 6th 1:33 behind T.Martin

Pinot 2012 Stage -Actual Power W -W/kg -Power at 78kg W
Planches des BF -389 -6.17 -424
Col de la Croix -392 -6.22 -428
Grand Colombier -360 -5.71 -392
La Toussuire -377 -5.98 -408
Peyresourde West -340 -5.40 -371
Peyresourde East -394 -6.25 -429
Average -370 -5.9 -403
Note: all lines are green, except for Pinot's Peyresourde East performance: yellow-"suspicious". Yet Vayer vouches for them.

At first glance, JCP looked definitely clean in '11 and the 2012 Pinot looked clean.

2011-2 to 2014: marginal gains or not? I read a lot of posts, the skeptics are many, but aside from arm chair quarterback comments/feelings, I can't seem to find any data to either feel good about the two Frenchies, or scratch my head and wonder. Data anyone?

raceradio of this parish dimissed Moncoutie as a clean rider.

 

[poupou]

hmm. interesting.

Lavenu apparently said Peraud was 88-89. according to one of the podcasts.

it would make sense that he was at the top end of GC if true, only if the other riders were not able to push their capacities way beyond natural that is, with O2 vector doping.

i sometimes wonder if the incredible emotion he let out after the ITT was simply happiness at being second, or also mixed with amazement at finally having his natural talent be duly recompensed at age 37...

He already had a silver olympic medal! That matters too.

 

[Escarabajo]

raceradio of this parish dimissed Moncoutie as a clean rider.

He must have had a terrible doctor then!!

 

[roundabout]

In 'Not Normal', Vayer lists four "clean French" riders, Moncoutie, Roy, and both Pinot and JCP. In both cases, analysis of their 2012 and 2011 TdF respectively.

JCP 2011 Stage -Actual Power W -W/kg -Power at 78kg W
Luz Ardiden -339 -5.42 -375
Beille -362 -5.79 -400
Galibier -338 -5.41 -374
Alpe d'Huez -354 -5.66 -391
Average -348 -5.6 -385

Also, for comparison stage 20, final 42.5km ITT, 6th 1:33 behind T.Martin

Pinot 2012 Stage -Actual Power W -W/kg -Power at 78kg W
Planches des BF -389 -6.17 -424
Col de la Croix -392 -6.22 -428
Grand Colombier -360 -5.71 -392
La Toussuire -377 -5.98 -408
Peyresourde West -340 -5.40 -371
Peyresourde East -394 -6.25 -429
Average -370 -5.9 -403
Note: all lines are green, except for Pinot's Peyresourde East performance: yellow-"suspicious". Yet Vayer vouches for them.

At first glance, JCP looked definitely clean in '11 and the 2012 Pinot looked clean.

2011-2 to 2014: marginal gains or not? I read a lot of posts, the skeptics are many, but aside from arm chair quarterback comments/feelings, I can't seem to find any data to either feel good about the two Frenchies, or scratch my head and wonder. Data anyone?

http://www.chronoswatts.com/cyclistes/101/Peraud

 

[blackcat]

In 'Not Normal', Vayer lists four "clean French" riders, Moncoutie, Roy, and both Pinot and JCP. In both cases, analysis of their 2012 and 2011 TdF respectively.

potentially clean.

he has no idea if they are a cat 1 or cat 2 parking lot crit rider, who suddenly can ride GC in the Tour, like Levi, donkey into racehorse into bobblehead doll like barry bonds head.

 

[roundabout]

potentially clean.

he has no idea if they are a cat 1 or cat 2 parking lot crit rider, who suddenly can ride GC in the Tour, like Levi, donkey into racehorse into bobblehead doll like barry bonds head.

Vayer coached Peraud for a bit

 

[Gavandope]

You also have to factor what the rider's visible condition on the stage itself and after. Peroud looked hammered on the saddle and even more so afterwards. Just like I remember they used to be pre Big Mig!

 

[Le breton]

Did someone post this already?

Thomas Voeckler stops mid race and abuses Dutch fans after being booed in Le Tour De France 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RYBln_Jnas&feature=youtu.be

What a lie.
The "fans" abuse Voeckler, not the other way around.

All Voeckler says is "T'as déjà fait du vélo?"

(have you ever been on a bike/raced a bike)

It would be hard to misconstrue that as an insult!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Peraud looked absolutely smashed on some of those stages. I can't remember what stage it was (Pla d'Adet), but he was hanging on for dear life with the look of a desperation for the last 5k.

Meanwhile, Nibali looked as though he was shuffling through his iTunes playlist.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What a lie.
The "fans" abuse Voeckler, not the other way around.

All Voeckler says is "T'as déjà fait du vélo?"

(have you ever been on a bike/raced a bike)

It would be hard to misconstrue that as an insult!

Thanks for the translation. It seems to me the interpretation of the event depends on your definition of abuse?

Sounds like they abused each other?