Yeah I went 6.5 because it was worse than the two previous years, but the weirdness was pretty fun and it gave me an excuse to stop studying so that's always good.Valv.Piti said:I think I rated it 6,5 but thats probably a tad too high. It really doesn't deserve more than 6 IMO.
Not 8/10?Netserk said:Based on similar reasoning, I gave it 5, but it could (and probably should) have been 4.Valv.Piti said:I've seen 11 Giros so far, this would be my ranking, top to bottom:
1. 2010 - Best GT I've seen. Only 2003 TdF can rival, and probably beat it, but I don't remember much apart from Mayo and Armstrong on La Luz.
2. 2015 - Epic Astana and varied and challenging parcours made you feel like something was happening each day.
3. 2008 - Ricco and Sella tearing it up, Gibo and Di Luca, young and very smart Contador, excellent parcours.
4. 2011 - Contador awesome, Nibali and Scarponi and Antón on Zoncolan. <3 Rujano. Deadly parcours.
5. 2016 - Backloaded action, but once it got started it was awesome.
6. 2007 - I liked di Luca, but I remember this Giro because of Saunier Duval being super awesome and Andy Schleck who was amazing.
7. 2017 - Definitely the weirdest GT I've watched.
8. 2009 - Meh. Bad parcours, but good battle for pink.
9. 2013 - Weather ruined it all unfortunately, I think it was a very decent design with lots of long and tricky stages.
10. 2014 - Exceptionally ****** parcours and it seemed to rain all the time. Nothing happening before the last 3 km apart from Martello. The time trial were good, tho.
11. 2012 - No.
Netserk said:My condolences.GenericBoonenFan said:The best GC I've seen so far in my life, a 9
No, apparently there's already plenty of people like you hereTonton said:Not 8/10?Netserk said:Based on similar reasoning, I gave it 5, but it could (and probably should) have been 4.Valv.Piti said:I've seen 11 Giros so far, this would be my ranking, top to bottom:
1. 2010 - Best GT I've seen. Only 2003 TdF can rival, and probably beat it, but I don't remember much apart from Mayo and Armstrong on La Luz.
2. 2015 - Epic Astana and varied and challenging parcours made you feel like something was happening each day.
3. 2008 - Ricco and Sella tearing it up, Gibo and Di Luca, young and very smart Contador, excellent parcours.
4. 2011 - Contador awesome, Nibali and Scarponi and Antón on Zoncolan. <3 Rujano. Deadly parcours.
5. 2016 - Backloaded action, but once it got started it was awesome.
6. 2007 - I liked di Luca, but I remember this Giro because of Saunier Duval being super awesome and Andy Schleck who was amazing.
7. 2017 - Definitely the weirdest GT I've watched.
8. 2009 - Meh. Bad parcours, but good battle for pink.
9. 2013 - Weather ruined it all unfortunately, I think it was a very decent design with lots of long and tricky stages.
10. 2014 - Exceptionally ****** parcours and it seemed to rain all the time. Nothing happening before the last 3 km apart from Martello. The time trial were good, tho.
11. 2012 - No.![]()
papisimo98 said:6 out of 10 thanks to the GC drama.
The course really wasn't balanced. With that much TT, there needed to be more mountains. Most of the mountain top finish days really only had one climb, at the end. The last week wasn't mountainous enough for the climbers to make up time against the TT'ers.
If TD hadn't stopped to take a dump, the last week would have been a procession. He had 2 1/2 + minutes before he started brown capping, hardly the sign of a balanced route
The sprints weren't really strongly contested. It seems that AG was happy with his win and then went home leaving the sprints for FG.
What I really came away with is huge respect for Pinot. He is an amazing rider and has a lot of fight in him. Became a big fan of his due to his attacking style .
By trying to visit every region the organizers pushed themselves into a corner. The first week was completely forgettable. The long boring days seems to sap the peloton of much needed strength and grinta for the following weeks.
It'll still be better than the Tour.
Netserk said:Based on similar reasoning, I gave it 5, but it could (and probably should) have been 4.Valv.Piti said:I've seen 11 Giros so far, this would be my ranking, top to bottom:
1. 2010 - Best GT I've seen. Only 2003 TdF can rival, and probably beat it, but I don't remember much apart from Mayo and Armstrong on La Luz.
2. 2015 - Epic Astana and varied and challenging parcours made you feel like something was happening each day.
3. 2008 - Ricco and Sella tearing it up, Gibo and Di Luca, young and very smart Contador, excellent parcours.
4. 2011 - Contador awesome, Nibali and Scarponi and Antón on Zoncolan. <3 Rujano. Deadly parcours.
5. 2016 - Backloaded action, but once it got started it was awesome.
6. 2007 - I liked di Luca, but I remember this Giro because of Saunier Duval being super awesome and Andy Schleck who was amazing.
7. 2017 - Definitely the weirdest GT I've watched.
8. 2009 - Meh. Bad parcours, but good battle for pink.
9. 2013 - Weather ruined it all unfortunately, I think it was a very decent design with lots of long and tricky stages.
10. 2014 - Exceptionally ****** parcours and it seemed to rain all the time. Nothing happening before the last 3 km apart from Martello. The time trial were good, tho.
11. 2012 - No.
Out of curiosity, because I'm honestly intrigued: You found entertaining the repeated long hours of group riding of the first two weeks? What did you find entertaining during those hours?spalco said:So, since I watched most stages from start to finish, and therefore had something like 70 hours of entertainment, it was good.
lartiste said:papisimo98 said:....
I do not agree regarding the lenght of TT. If you will look back and remember time of Miguelon, there were much longer TT and all the favourites have to handle them. Who was not capable to, was out of competition. This way the GTs were raced until 2005. Since 2006 number of TT kilometers decreased and people like Rasmussen and other polka dot guys were capable of wining GT. In my opinion it is a mistake to decrease lenght of TT since winner of GT have to be more complex rider than those mountains goats who are unable to do anything else than to sprint uphill few kilometers... .
Yes, but the Giro isn't the Tour de France.loge1884 said:lartiste said:papisimo98 said:....
I do not agree regarding the lenght of TT. If you will look back and remember time of Miguelon, there were much longer TT and all the favourites have to handle them. Who was not capable to, was out of competition. This way the GTs were raced until 2005. Since 2006 number of TT kilometers decreased and people like Rasmussen and other polka dot guys were capable of wining GT. In my opinion it is a mistake to decrease lenght of TT since winner of GT have to be more complex rider than those mountains goats who are unable to do anything else than to sprint uphill few kilometers... .
this ....
besides, this was a very mountanous Giro, I wonder how much more "mountains" some guys wish to have .... this is Giro d'Italia not Tour des Alpes ....
between 1960 - 2005 TdF was won mainly by the guy with the best TT skills (Anquetil, Lemond, Indurain) or at least being an all-rounder (Merckx, Hinault, ...). Only twice it was won by a pure climber (Lucien Van Impe 1976 and Marco Pantani 1998)
the Giro has turned into somewhat of a climbing GT since mid 90s and pure climbers like Basso, Contador, Cunego, Di Luca, Gotti, Quintana, Pantani or Simoni have won (since 97) a total of 13 Giros against the allrounders totalling 8 (Dumoulin, Garzelli, Hesjedal, Menchov, Nibali, Savoldelli) ... still it shouldn't be pure climbing all along (that would be quite boring as well, unless you cheer for Contador or Quintana)
Why do you classify Contador as a pure climber? In all three Giri he won, he was the best TTer of the contenders.loge1884 said:lartiste said:papisimo98 said:....
I do not agree regarding the lenght of TT. If you will look back and remember time of Miguelon, there were much longer TT and all the favourites have to handle them. Who was not capable to, was out of competition. This way the GTs were raced until 2005. Since 2006 number of TT kilometers decreased and people like Rasmussen and other polka dot guys were capable of wining GT. In my opinion it is a mistake to decrease lenght of TT since winner of GT have to be more complex rider than those mountains goats who are unable to do anything else than to sprint uphill few kilometers... .
this ....
besides, this was a very mountanous Giro, I wonder how much more "mountains" some guys wish to have .... this is Giro d'Italia not Tour des Alpes ....
between 1960 - 2005 TdF was won mainly by the guy with the best TT skills (Anquetil, Lemond, Indurain) or at least being an all-rounder (Merckx, Hinault, ...). Only twice it was won by a pure climber (Lucien Van Impe 1976 and Marco Pantani 1998)
the Giro has turned into somewhat of a climbing GT since mid 90s and pure climbers like Basso, Contador, Cunego, Di Luca, Gotti, Quintana, Pantani or Simoni have won (since 97) a total of 13 Giros against the allrounders totalling 8 (Dumoulin, Garzelli, Hesjedal, Menchov, Nibali, Savoldelli) ... still it shouldn't be pure climbing all along (that would be quite boring as well, unless you cheer for Contador or Quintana)
ThisValv.Piti said:As a matter of fact, he won 2 out of his 3 Giris exclusively in the time trials
Netserk said:Why do you classify Contador as a pure climber? In all three Giri he won, he was the best TTer of the contenders.loge1884 said:lartiste said:papisimo98 said:....
I do not agree regarding the lenght of TT. If you will look back and remember time of Miguelon, there were much longer TT and all the favourites have to handle them. Who was not capable to, was out of competition. This way the GTs were raced until 2005. Since 2006 number of TT kilometers decreased and people like Rasmussen and other polka dot guys were capable of wining GT. In my opinion it is a mistake to decrease lenght of TT since winner of GT have to be more complex rider than those mountains goats who are unable to do anything else than to sprint uphill few kilometers... .
this ....
besides, this was a very mountanous Giro, I wonder how much more "mountains" some guys wish to have .... this is Giro d'Italia not Tour des Alpes ....
between 1960 - 2005 TdF was won mainly by the guy with the best TT skills (Anquetil, Lemond, Indurain) or at least being an all-rounder (Merckx, Hinault, ...). Only twice it was won by a pure climber (Lucien Van Impe 1976 and Marco Pantani 1998)
the Giro has turned into somewhat of a climbing GT since mid 90s and pure climbers like Basso, Contador, Cunego, Di Luca, Gotti, Quintana, Pantani or Simoni have won (since 97) a total of 13 Giros against the allrounders totalling 8 (Dumoulin, Garzelli, Hesjedal, Menchov, Nibali, Savoldelli) ... still it shouldn't be pure climbing all along (that would be quite boring as well, unless you cheer for Contador or Quintana)
Indeed. TTs were hardly the problem of this year's Giro. If anything, they were among the few bright spots.Dekker_Tifosi said:I think GT's are a laughing stock in TT kilometers these days. So people calling the Giro TT heavy are funny. It's 70km. It's nothing.