Reactions from the Pro Peloton to #USPSConspiracy (USADA) - post here

[mikkemus23]

Hushovd will not condemn Armstrong because there is no positive test. I wish the journalists would ask him what kind of doping test the anti doping agencies were supposed to use to detect

* Trafficking of EPO, testosterone, and corticosteroids.

* Administration and/or attempted administration to others of EPO, testosterone, and cortisone.

* Assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and other complicity involving one or more anti-doping rule violations and/or attempted anti-doping rule violations.

I can't remember Hushovd defending Ricardo Riccó when he was banned for twelve years without any positive test.

This is really awful statements by Hushovd. Omerta still lives Can he be trusted himself as non-doper is my next question. Answer. No.

 

[sniper]

DE VLAEMINCK, VAN IMPE, GODEFROOT
http://nieuws.vtm.be/sport/201208247230-oud-renners-tonen-begrip-voor-armstrong

thanks.

de Vlaeminck: "if LA doped, and they take his jerseys, whom are they gonna give them to? Ulrich? They shouldn't take his jerseys, they should have caught him back then when they thought he doped, but they shouldn't be changing cycling history now."

van Impe: "it's good that they remove the rotten apples, but i don'T think LA was such a rotten apple. to win the tour 7 times, even with doping..there must have been something more than just that..."

Godefroot: "no, I'm not at all interested in those yellow yerseys. It's part of the past. a closed chapter. digging into the past is useless. You have to put everything into the context of that time. Let him who is without sins throw the first stone"

 

[ToreBear]

Interesting article / link I saw on Gustav Larsson's twitter page.

Mads Petter Kaggestad (born February 22, 1977 in Ringerike) is a former Norwegian professional road racing cyclist. He competed for the French Crédit Agricole team between 2003 and 2007. During 2002 he was a member of the amateur Team Krone.

Are all his life's work, with the efforts of cancer battle and it all torn down now?
' Doping is something that creates a risk of cancer, his trick and gamble with their health. And it's something that he has received a lot of followers on completely wrong assumptions. It's nice that he has driven charity, yet he is guilty of breaking laws. There are rumors and speculation that part of the proceeds from Livestrong has gone to legal bills for Armstrong to clear his name. I think Livestrong have started to move away from the Armstrong name, says Kaggestad.

http://translate.google.com/transla...nce_armstrong/doping/mads_kaggestad/23095724/

Kaggestad has a lot of interesting stuff to say:
http://translate.google.no/translat...ladet.no/sport/2003/05/03/367845.html&act=url

http://translate.google.no/translat...france/2008/artikkel.php?artid=194660&act=url

http://translate.google.no/translat...www.side2.no/helse/article3111988.ece&act=url

He actually has experience with EPO. In the fall of 1997 he was part of a project initiated by the norwegian anti doping lab to find a test for EPO. Both he and Gabriel Rasch were part of the project. Half were given placebo injections and half were given EPO. He pretty quickly found out he was given EPO. Appearently Gabriel also felt he got an effect, though that was placebo (power of the mind).


Interestingly Johan Olav Koss thought it was immoral to take epo for the project, while Kaggestad thought it was a good thing since cycling had a doping problem.

I have been a little skeptical of Koss, but It makes more sense to me that he was clean than on EPO when I think about it in light of this article.

Anyway Kaggestad couldn't compete until the Epo effects were out of his system.

He talks about him being in poor form when the project started but the effect was still extreme. In the different articles the effects it had on him is mentioned as between 10-20%.

He also talks about how it is riding in the peleton with dopers, and how one can keep going and motivate one selves while still knowing so many are doping.

He says the clean guys and the dopers talk about different things. When talking to dopers he says people talk about stuff like the weather and wind, while when talking to other clean cyclists they talk about doping.

He talks about one on his team(credit agricole) complaining about how the team doctors would only give them vitamins, and that they had to move to a different team. A while later he changed team and his performances suddenly improved.

One thing he is sure of is that Thor Hushovd is clean.

He also says the dopers are lazy and don't train enough. He has few positive things to say about the epo users like Riis.

He says contador is not clean(article from 2011, just after AC was cleared in Spain), and that the UCI will take the matter forward.(which they did)

On Armstrong, he says he doubts his innocence. There is not that much smoke without fire. If he was clean Kaggestad says he would be positively surprised.

He also talks about the cultural effect on doping acceptance. He uses Spain and Italy as examples of how riders rationalize their doping in different ways in different countries.


These articles have a lot of interesting points which I have not translated. If google gives you trouble with some of the translations, I would be happy to help. If your not used to candid talk about doping and how much it is frowned upon then you should learn to read Swedish or Norwegian.

What's interesting is he knows first hand the effect of Epo, and chose to still compete with out it. I like that. It shows inner strength.

Does anyone know who might have been his periodic roommate who complained about the lack of "treatment" at CA? Kaggestad was at CA between 2003 and 2007. Which rider left CA and saw a sudden improvement afterwards in this period? Perhaps it's a doper the clinic doesn't know about yet?

 

[ToreBear]

This is really awful statements by Hushovd. Omerta still lives Can he be trusted himself as non-doper is my next question. Answer. No.

What awful statements, all I read was careful diplo speak? I think he will say what he really thinks when there is a bit more evidence available in public and/or he has time to look at it. Then the repurcussions for speaking his mind should be easier to manage.

 

[hrotha]

Thanks, interesting read.
There are many potential candidates for Mr X. One Andrey Kashechkin immediately comes to mind though.

edit: wait, does the article say this happened at the 2006 Vuelta?
RENSHAW Mark, HUSHOVD Thor, FOFONOV Dmitriy, BODROGI Laszlo, KAGGESTAD Mads, LEMOINE Cyril, CAUCCHIOLI Pietro, POILVET Benoît, CHARTEAU Anthony

 

[The Hitch]

Kaggestad has a lot of interesting stuff to say:
http://translate.google.no/translat...ladet.no/sport/2003/05/03/367845.html&act=url

http://translate.google.no/translat...france/2008/artikkel.php?artid=194660&act=url

http://translate.google.no/translat...www.side2.no/helse/article3111988.ece&act=url

He actually has experience with EPO. In the fall of 1997 he was part of a project initiated by the norwegian anti doping lab to find a test for EPO. Both he and Gabriel Rasch were part of the project. Half were given placebo injections and half were given EPO. He pretty quickly found out he was given EPO. Appearently Gabriel also felt he got an effect, though that was placebo (power of the mind).


Interestingly Johan Olav Koss thought it was immoral to take epo for the project, while Kaggestad thought it was a good thing since cycling had a doping problem.

I have been a little skeptical of Koss, but It makes more sense to me that he was clean than on EPO when I think about it in light of this article.

Anyway Kaggestad couldn't compete until the Epo effects were out of his system.

He talks about him being in poor form when the project started but the effect was still extreme. In the different articles the effects it had on him is mentioned as between 10-20%.

He also talks about how it is riding in the peleton with dopers, and how one can keep going and motivate one selves while still knowing so many are doping.

He says the clean guys and the dopers talk about different things. When talking to dopers he says people talk about stuff like the weather and wind, while when talking to other clean cyclists they talk about doping.

He talks about one on his team(credit agricole) complaining about how the team doctors would only give them vitamins, and that they had to move to a different team. A while later he changed team and his performances suddenly improved.

One thing he is sure of is that Thor Hushovd is clean.

He also says the dopers are lazy and don't train enough. He has few positive things to say about the epo users like Riis.

He says contador is not clean(article from 2011, just after AC was cleared in Spain), and that the UCI will take the matter forward.(which they did)

On Armstrong, he says he doubts his innocence. There is not that much smoke without fire. If he was clean Kaggestad says he would be positively surprised.

He also talks about the cultural effect on doping acceptance. He uses Spain and Italy as examples of how riders rationalize their doping in different ways in different countries.


These articles have a lot of interesting points which I have not translated. If google gives you trouble with some of the translations, I would be happy to help. If your not used to candid talk about doping and how much it is frowned upon then you should learn to read Swedish or Norwegian.

What's interesting is he knows first hand the effect of Epo, and chose to still compete with out it. I like that. It shows inner strength.

Does anyone know who might have been his periodic roommate who complained about the lack of "treatment" at CA? Kaggestad was at CA between 2003 and 2007. Which rider left CA and saw a sudden improvement afterwards in this period? Perhaps it's a doper the clinic doesn't know about yet?

I like what he says, but the claim that dopers are lazy and don't train enough, suggests to me he is speaking entirely from his heart and not at all from his head.

 

[sniper]

Thanks, interesting read.
There are many potential candidates for Mr X. One Andrey Kashechkin immediately comes to mind though.

edit: wait, does the article say this happened at the 2006 Vuelta?
RENSHAW Mark, HUSHOVD Thor, FOFONOV Dmitriy, BODROGI Laszlo, KAGGESTAD Mads, LEMOINE Cyril, CAUCCHIOLI Pietro, POILVET Benoît, CHARTEAU Anthony

probably the best guess. though Julich would also fit, assuming he and Kaggestad rode together in 2003. Voigt less so, because he was already decent at CA.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Thanks, interesting read.
There are many potential candidates for Mr X. One Andrey Kashechkin immediately comes to mind though.

edit: wait, does the article say this happened at the 2006 Vuelta?
RENSHAW Mark, HUSHOVD Thor, FOFONOV Dmitriy, BODROGI Laszlo, KAGGESTAD Mads, LEMOINE Cyril, CAUCCHIOLI Pietro, POILVET Benoît, CHARTEAU Anthony

Kashechkin indeed. But, to be fair to him, he was 19th in the Tour at CA. Or he had outside help or he was talented.

Maybe Hushovd was clean at CA, what we saw last year in the Tour was something else.

But, +++ for Kaggestad.

 

[ToreBear]

Thanks, interesting read.
There are many potential candidates for Mr X. One Andrey Kashechkin immediately comes to mind though.

edit: wait, does the article say this happened at the 2006 Vuelta?
RENSHAW Mark, HUSHOVD Thor, FOFONOV Dmitriy, BODROGI Laszlo, KAGGESTAD Mads, LEMOINE Cyril, CAUCCHIOLI Pietro, POILVET Benoît, CHARTEAU Anthony

No, as far as I understand it the Vuelta participation is mentioned as one of Kaggestads achievements.

The text then skips to one of his team mates at CA. It could be that talk of the Vuelta triggered the next about Mr. X in Kaggestads memory, or that the journalist felt this was the right place to insert the next piece of information.

I would guess it's the journalist who thought it was a good place to insert the information.

Now googling Andrey Kashechkin.....

 

[ToreBear]

I like what he says, but the claim that dopers are lazy and don't train enough, suggests to me he is speaking entirely from his heart and not at all from his head.

Yep, it's probably also a good illustration about how he as a hard working athlete looked down on the dopers.

 

[sniper]

(...)
I have been a little skeptical of Koss, but It makes more sense to me that he was clean than on EPO when I think about it in light of this article.

Are you saying Rintje Ritsma, Falko Zandstra and the whole orange crew got their asses whiped by a clean Norwegian guy? Damn.

As far as I am aware, doping has pretty much been a non-topic in distance skating (not saying they were clean, just that there were never any positives and hence no suspicions), until Pechstein.
I doubt whether there has ever been any serious (blood)testing in the Koss/Zandstra era or after.

Anyway, Koss always was very popular in the netherlands (didn't he also marry a dutch skater?), even though he took from us several world titles and olympic medals. Good to hear he was probably clean.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Are you saying Rintje Ritsma, Falko Zandstra and the whole orange crew got their asses whiped by a clean Norwegian guy? Damn.

Lol 2.

9 characters.

1994 Olympics were on of the dirtiest with regards to blood/EPO dope ever in my book.

 

[mikkemus23]

What awful statements, all I read was careful diplo speak? I think he will say what he really thinks when there is a bit more evidence available in public and/or he has time to look at it. Then the repurcussions for speaking his mind should be easier to manage.

I think it`s obvious. He must know and have known that Lance is a doper and is cancer to cycling. Comparing Lance`s actions to DUI is plain stupid.

Or are you too much of a Hushovd fanboy to see this? It`s really Omerta again, he sees no problem with it.

Og det sier jeg som nordmann. Skam deg Hushovd, dette var ynkelig.

 

[BotanyBay]

David Brinton thinks Lance's 500+ tests can't possibly lie as he calls in to TMZ and chats with Harvey Levin. Brinton's part starts at approx 3:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC33wAPStcY

David, you speak here as if you're a Fred right off the PCH. Either you're that dumb or you're not wanting to rock the boat of your coaching business.

A "no comment" would have been more respectful of the situation. I'm dumbfounded that you can't see any possibility that these accusations are true.

 

[luckyboy]

Hayden Roulston...

right.. thoughts.. thoughts on whats just happened with lance.. what an embarrassing world we live in.. i honestly believe that a new ‘law’ needs to be introduced.. firstly though, i want to say that i totally back the doping controls, uci and wada but some things have to change.. these guys have all the power, all the money and yet its taken 5 or more years to unravel this case.. what a joke! how embarrassing for us left here in the peleton.. you have guys admitting doping, and still riding.. team bosses coming clean years later, but still staying in the sport and looked upon as leading the way in ‘clean cycling’. you have guys that are going to testify in lances case, for a reduced sentence, and can serve this ban in the off season.. its an absolute joke..

i feel there needs to a massive change. If wada and the uci dont catch the cheats within a certain timeframe, then it should be done and dusted.. because whats just happened now makes our sport have no credibility whatsoever. my thoughts are if the cheats arent caught after 6 months, then its done and dusted.. turn a page, and stop worrying about ‘what ifs’. if not, then the next dude is gonna do it and will get away with it because everyone is so caught up with something that ‘could’ have happened years ago… sometimes i reckon its better to cut your losses..

i feel a bit ****ed off right now.. lance to me is an idol, and someone that always will be.. what he did on the bike was amazing, but what he did off the bike was even more amazing.. if they strip him, then who gets the tour titles? basso? NO. pantani? NO. ullrich? NO. why? cause they have all been caught up in controversy themselves.

its a sad day for cycling… atleast we have a great crop of youngsters coming through leading the way..

 

[Arnout]

The guy adresses some good points about UCI, and then goes on to blindly defend Armstrong in a world of dopers. Fanboy, I guess.

 

[Benotti69]

Hayden Roulston...

I wouldn't expect anything different from a RSNT rider.

Criticising USADA and yet declaring his love for Armstrong.

Sad.

 

[Kretch]

is anything being done to call out phil and paul. they have made buckets off of the fraud. and they are complicit.

This, times one hundred. Their importance in popularizing and sustaining the myth with the cycling novices was critical to monetizing this whole fraud. They brought in the casual cycling punter by the truck-load for the likes of Nike, Oakley, Trek, Livestrong etc. etc. to make money from.

Has anyone seen any comments from Phil and Paul on the latest developments? - I'd love to know what their spin is.

 

[Nick C.]

Paul actually said "The sprinter Marion Jones never tested positive." I nearly fell out of my seat. I was expecting nothing but Fabiani's talking points.

 

[ToreBear]

Are you saying Rintje Ritsma, Falko Zandstra and the whole orange crew got their asses whiped by a clean Norwegian guy? Damn.

As far as I am aware, doping has pretty much been a non-topic in distance skating (not saying they were clean, just that there were never any positives and hence no suspicions), until Pechstein.
I doubt whether there has ever been any serious (blood)testing in the Koss/Zandstra era or after.

Anyway, Koss always was very popular in the netherlands (didn't he also marry a dutch skater?), even though he took from us several world titles and olympic medals. Good to hear he was probably clean.

Well he's Norwegian so he must have been clean.

I base my logic on a lot of issues learned here at the clinic. The reason cycling has had so much doping is because of all the money in the sport. And in 1994 it appears that not all teams were on the epo wagon. Relating to Armstrong trying to get his team to use Epo. Also Vaughters talked about the huge cost of epo, meaning he could not afford it himself.

Epo use in sports was cutting edge science and with huge health risks. Only the most expensive doctors had the knowledge needed. AFAIK the Italians were the ones with the knowledge first.

Cycling because of the money would be the first major adopter of a new drug. And it would take time for knowledge to spread, and the cost to go down.

The money needed for epo, knowledge and expertise would not be available for individual athletes in poorer sports like those present at the winter olympics. If epo was being used it would have to be organized from the top of a large organization.

Speedskating was a mini sport compared to cycling. I just don't see how the individual athleetes could get their hand on epo and/or the right doctor back in the winter of 94.


Now Koss was a medical student, he might have gotten knowledge through his studies and/or the confidence to try it. Though I can't remember how far in his studies he was at the time. I also question weather he could have time with all his training to do research on EPO. It would have taken a lot of time to get confident enough to try it on your self. Remember, research studies were not easily available on the web at that time. Finding the right paper to read would be timeconsuming. And I doubt Conconi published studies of elite athletes usage of epo in any journals.

Then there is the problem of getting epo. I doubt he had the money needed for black market epo. He might in theory have sneaked into some hospital pharmacy and stolen some vials. Hovewer I doubt any pharmacies would let medical students roam unsuperwised around carefully registered shelves full of expensive drugs. And had he been caught the consequences would have been huge.

Then there is the risk of anyone in the athletes system taking notice. Coaches/doctors/teammates etc.

For me one issue knawing at me was the fact that he was a medical student, and had an incredible olympics with three gold medals and 3 WR. However his results were not out of this world compared to what he had done earlier. He was already one of the favorites to win. Add to that that this was at home in the biggest event he would ever compete in, it was the perfect time to be all he could be.


So for me, I have difficulty seeing that he could have been on epo in 1994. The problems for him to acquire and use epo would be to much I think.

However an organized program involving a lot of people and money could make epo available. However keeping such a thing secret would be extremely difficult.

This is what the Italians did for the 94 olympics ofcourse. Hovewer I believe the Italians were far ahead of everyone in this field. And the secrets got out already back in 96 I think?


Note hovewer that I can't rule out anabolic steroids or something. But I think there was testing as well as out of competition testing at that time, so it certainly wouldn't have been risk free.

But this thread is about cycling so I'm sorry if I'we written to much.


I imagine he was popular in the Netherlands because it's one of their favorite sports and he was a good sportsman. I don't think he married a speed skater, I really cant remember anything about that.

 

[cineteq]

Paul actually said "The sprinter Marion Jones never tested positive." I nearly fell out of my seat. I was expecting nothing but Fabiani's talking points.

Same here, that was unexpected! Maybe Lance hasn't completely paid his mine investment share

 

[ToreBear]

I think it`s obvious. He must know and have known that Lance is a doper and is cancer to cycling. Comparing Lance`s actions to DUI is plain stupid.

Or are you too much of a Hushovd fanboy to see this? It`s really Omerta again, he sees no problem with it.

Og det sier jeg som nordmann. Skam deg Hushovd, dette var ynkelig.

DUI usually involves prison in Norway, and is a good illustration of the filosophy of condemming the act and not the person doing the act.

Now if you relate this to Armstrong, it's a hard statement to agree with. Who could be friends with that guy? But If I had a friend who was caught for DUI, he would still be my friend. In Armstrongs case it would perhaps be more like someone constantly DUI running over old ladies and kids. But I don't know what kind of relationship he has with Armstrong. Perhaps he really thinks of him as a friend?

As for him knowing Armstrong's a doper. I would think he does know, or heavily suspects. The question is how much it is sensible for him to say in public. If he spoke out in public, would Lance do something extra to make life difficult for him because lance felt betrayed by a supposed friend?

You could argue Hushovd is being pathetic(as you are: ynkelig), but why should Hushovd risk the ire of Lance when not absolotely neccesarry? There is being brave and there is being stupid.

 

[DirtyWorks]

This, times one hundred. Their importance in popularizing and sustaining the myth with the cycling novices was critical to monetizing this whole fraud. They brought in the casual cycling punter by the truck-load for the likes of Nike, Oakley, Trek, Livestrong etc. etc. to make money from.

Bottom line is their job is to punch-up the feed to the satisfaction of their employer. It seems their employer is the UCI. They did a good job along with the UCI's help in making the myth work. Had Phil or Paul objected, they would have found one or two with less of a conscience. Is going along with it all right? No. They are like the percussionist in an orchestra. Can't miss them, but they are part of a much larger production.

Paul's response may be a clue regarding the UCI's plans though.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Well he's Norwegian so he must have been clean.

I base my logic on a lot of issues learned here at the clinic. The reason cycling has had so much doping is because of all the money in the sport. And in 1994 it appears that not all teams were on the epo wagon. Relating to Armstrong trying to get his team to use Epo. Also Vaughters talked about the huge cost of epo, meaning he could not afford it himself.

Epo use in sports was cutting edge science and with huge health risks. Only the most expensive doctors had the knowledge needed. AFAIK the Italians were the ones with the knowledge first.

Cycling because of the money would be the first major adopter of a new drug. And it would take time for knowledge to spread, and the cost to go down.

The money needed for epo, knowledge and expertise would not be available for individual athletes in poorer sports like those present at the winter olympics. If epo was being used it would have to be organized from the top of a large organization.

Speedskating was a mini sport compared to cycling. I just don't see how the individual athleetes could get their hand on epo and/or the right doctor back in the winter of 94.


Now Koss was a medical student, he might have gotten knowledge through his studies and/or the confidence to try it. Though I can't remember how far in his studies he was at the time. I also question weather he could have time with all his training to do research on EPO. It would have taken a lot of time to get confident enough to try it on your self. Remember, research studies were not easily available on the web at that time. Finding the right paper to read would be timeconsuming. And I doubt Conconi published studies of elite athletes usage of epo in any journals.

Then there is the problem of getting epo. I doubt he had the money needed for black market epo. He might in theory have sneaked into some hospital pharmacy and stolen some vials. Hovewer I doubt any pharmacies would let medical students roam unsuperwised around carefully registered shelves full of expensive drugs. And had he been caught the consequences would have been huge.

Then there is the risk of anyone in the athletes system taking notice. Coaches/doctors/teammates etc.

For me one issue knawing at me was the fact that he was a medical student, and had an incredible olympics with three gold medals and 3 WR. However his results were not out of this world compared to what he had done earlier. He was already one of the favorites to win. Add to that that this was at home in the biggest event he would ever compete in, it was the perfect time to be all he could be.


So for me, I have difficulty seeing that he could have been on epo in 1994. The problems for him to acquire and use epo would be to much I think.

However an organized program involving a lot of people and money could make epo available. However keeping such a thing secret would be extremely difficult.

This is what the Italians did for the 94 olympics ofcourse. Hovewer I believe the Italians were far ahead of everyone in this field. And the secrets got out already back in 96 I think?


Note hovewer that I can't rule out anabolic steroids or something. But I think there was testing as well as out of competition testing at that time, so it certainly wouldn't have been risk free.

But this thread is about cycling so I'm sorry if I'we written to much.


I imagine he was popular in the Netherlands because it's one of their favorite sports and he was a good sportsman. I don't think he married a speed skater, I really cant remember anything about that.

It's very likely your skiers were on EPO at the time.

Visions,plans and hopes can the doping culture be changed? - PPT Presentation

Slide 14:

1995; some skiers had 20 g/100 ml with all medal winners above 17.5 g /100 ml

1999 some 30 male skiers between 17.0- 18.7 g/100 ml; medal winners > 17.0 g/100ml

http://www.powershow.com/view/5bbd2...ing_culture_be_changed_flash_ppt_presentation

1995 Worlds:

10 km classical

Medal Athlete Time
Gold Vladimir Smirnov (KAZ) 24:52.3
Silver Bjørn Dæhlie (NOR) 25:10.1
Bronze Mika Myllylä (FIN) 25:11.5

30 km classical

Medal Athlete Time
Gold Vladimir Smirnov (KAZ) 1:15:52.3
Silver Bjørn Dæhlie (NOR) 1:16:52.4
Bronze Alexey Prokurorov (RUS) 1:17:35.6

50 km freestyle

Medal Athlete Time
Gold Silvio Fauner (ITA) 1:56:36.0
Silver Bjørn Dæhlie (NOR) 1:57:48.5
Bronze Vladimir Smirnov (KAZ) 1:58:10.7

4 × 10 km relay

Medal Team Time
Gold Norway (Sture Sivertsen, Erling Jevne, Bjørn Dæhlie, Thomas Alsgaard) 1:34:27.1
Silver Finland (Karri Hietamäki, Harri Kirvesniemi, Jari Räsänen, Jari Isometsä) 1:35:10.5
Bronze Italy (Fulvio Valbusa, Marco Albarello, Fabio Maj, Silvio Fauner) 1:36:28.4

1999 Worlds:

10 km classical

Medal Athlete Time
Gold Mika Myllylä (FIN) 24:19.2
Silver Alois Stadlober (AUT) 24:34.7
Bronze Odd-Bjørn Hjelmeset (NOR) 24:37.1

10 km + 15 km combined pursuit

Medal Athlete Time
Gold Thomas Alsgaard (NOR) 1:05:54.9
Silver Mika Myllylä (FIN) 1:05:55.6
Bronze Fulvio Valbusa (ITA) 1:06:17.6

30 km freestyle

Medal Athlete Time
Gold Mika Myllylä (FIN) 1:15:26.2
Silver Thomas Alsgaard (NOR) 1:16:01.5
Bronze Bjørn Dæhlie (NOR) 1:16:08.7

4 × 10 km relay

Medal Team Time
Gold Austria (Markus Gandler, Alois Stadlober, Mikhail Botvinov, Christian Hoffman) 1:35:07.5
Silver Norway (Espen Bjervig, Erling Jevne, Bjørn Dæhlie, Thomas Alsgaard) 1:35:07.7
Bronze Italy (Giorgio Di Centa, Fabio Maj, Fulvio Valbusa, Silvio Fauner) 1:36:38.1

- Her er våre blodverdier (- Here are our blood values) (2001)

Thomas Alsgaard (29)
Highest: 17,1
Lowest: 15,0
Normal: 15,9

Kristen Skjeldal (33)
Høyest: 17,6
Lavest: 14,5
Normal: 15,2

Odd-Bjørn Hjelmeset (29)
Høyest: 15,6
Lavest: 13,9
Normal: 14,5

Espen Bjervig (28)
Høyest: 15,2
Lavest: 13,5
Normal: 14,5

Håvard Solbakken (27)
Høyest: 17,5
Lavest: 14,5
Normal: 16,0

Tor Arne Hetland (27)
Høyest: 16,1
Lavest: 14,9
Normal: 15,2

Frode Estil (28)
Høyest: 17,5
Lavest: 15,5
Normal: 16,0

Erling Jevne (34)
Høyest: 16,7
Lavest: 14,0
Normal: 15,0

Jan Jacob Verdenius (27)
Høyest: 16,6
Lavest: 14,9
Normal: 15,7

Tore Bjonviken (26)
Høyest: 17,8
Lavest: 15,5
Normal: 16,0

Elin Nilsen (32)
Høyest: 16,3
Lavest: 13,5
Normal: 14,5

Hilde Gjermundshaug Pedersen (36)
Høyest: 14,0
Lavest: 12,5
Normal: 13,5

Tina Bay (27)
Høyest: 13,9
Lavest: 12,9
Normal: 13,4

Marit Bjørgen (20)
Høyest: 14,2
Lavest: 13,8
Normal: 14,0

Vibeke W. Skofterud (20)
Høyest: 14,1
Lavest: 12,8
Normal: 13,3

Ine Wigernæs (31)
Høyest: 15,6
Lavest: 13,5
Normal: 14,4

Marit Roaldset (23)
Høyest: 14,0
Lavest: 13,0
Normal: 13,2

Maj Helen Sorkmo (31)
Høyest: 16,7
Lavest: 13,9
Normal: 14,3

Bente Skari (28)
Dagbladet could not get ahold of Bente Skari last night, but according to her personal trainer, Dag Kaas, Bente is as low as between 12 and 13 in hemoglobin.

http://www.dagbladet.no/sport/2001/03/06/245493.html

 

[Trond Vidar]

in 2001 Norwegian Skiiers still had access to Altitude tents. A couple of years later they were banned. I am pretty sure the values were high because of that.

Hell, my hemoglobin level has been in the 17's. Probably dehydrated.