Renshaws non selection in Worlds Team?

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Red Ace

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Ferminal said:
McEwen should have been the reserve instead of Renshaw too, but he wasn't on the long list was he?
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What did Renshaw do to you Ferminal, Robbie was a superstar but is all but retired, currently he enjoying time with his family and focusing on a pending administration role, should we put Jay Sweet in the team infront of Mark Renshaw also.

Ferminal you are just trying to excuse a dodgy decision that probably goes back to some argument, politics or some falling out years ago. Doesn’t a thread like this keep the administration honest, and uncover stuff like that. Why are you and a few others so determined to justify this cover up.

Renshaw holds a super highly respected position among the pro riders, he is at the top of his game and if he can’t get a ride in this year’s world is he likely to ever get a chance to race the road for Australia. He is a quality unselfish rider who deserves a chance. Why was he not selected ? (and it has nothing to do with the distance)
 
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Ferminal

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This stuff with the distance being too much is disrespectful and wrong. I was randomly looking through the QC site and it showed he managed a reasonable ride in 2008 Paris-Tours @ 250 K coming 4 seconds down on Gilbert in a group of sprinters. Maybe that's pan flat but it showed he had some legs and plus he's better now than then.

As a Brit i should find it funny but I feel sad for Renshaw because its clearly a selection blunder.
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2008 was his best year, was the year he got a good result at Hamburg?

But he hasn't gone close to repeating that since, if he was stronger then why hasn't he made the first group at M-SR since then? If he can't survive Poggio or a borderline intermediate GT stage can they afford to bank on the chance that he "may" survive and "may" have enough power in his legs to do a meaningful lead out for 300m on 5%?

People are saying Haussler shouldn't be there, but his 2009 is a million times better than Renshaw's 2008. People say CJ shouldn't be there but he has won an uphill finish and a one dayer this year. If you replace someone else you probably go in too heavy.

Red Ace said:
What did Renshaw do to you Ferminal, Robbie was a superstar but is all but retired, currently he enjoying time with his family and focusing on a pending administration role, should we put Jay Sweet in the team infront of Mark Renshaw also.

Ferminal you are just trying to excuse a dodgy decision that probably goes back to some argument, politics or some falling out years ago. Doesn’t a thread like this keep the administration honest, and uncover stuff like that. Why are you and a few others so determined to justify this cover up.

Renshaw holds a super highly respected position among the pro riders, he is at the top of his game and if he can’t get a ride in this year’s world is he likely to ever get a chance to race the road for Australia. He is a quality unselfish rider who deserves a chance. Why was he not selected ? (and it has nothing to do with the distance)
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Nothing, I was as much against McEwen being selected last year (where just as many were claiming he was robbed of a spot) as I am Renshaw this year, but his record and form are better than Renshaw's.

I am not trying to cover anything up, I just see the probability of Renshaw being useful in this type of race as fairly low.
 
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2008 was his best year, was the year he got a good result at Hamburg?

But he hasn't gone close to repeating that since, if he was stronger then why hasn't he made the first group at M-SR since then? If he can't survive Poggio or a borderline intermediate GT stage can they afford to bank on the chance that he "may" survive and "may" have enough power in his legs to do a meaningful lead out for 300m on 5%?

People are saying Haussler shouldn't be there, but his 2009 is a million times better than Renshaw's 2008. People say CJ shouldn't be there but he has won an uphill finish and a one dayer this year. If you replace someone else you probably go in too heavy.



Nothing, I was as much against McEwen being selected last year (where just as many were claiming he was robbed of a spot) as I am Renshaw this year, but his record and form are better than Renshaw's.

I am not trying to cover anything up, I just see the probability of Renshaw being useful in this type of race as fairly low.
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Ferminal said:
2008 was his best year, was the year he got a good result at Hamburg?

But he hasn't gone close to repeating that since, if he was stronger then why hasn't he made the first group at M-SR since then? If he can't survive Poggio or a borderline intermediate GT stage can they afford to bank on the chance that he "may" survive and "may" have enough power in his legs to do a meaningful lead out for 300m on 5%?

People are saying Haussler shouldn't be there, but his 2009 is a million times better than Renshaw's 2008. People say CJ shouldn't be there but he has won an uphill finish and a one dayer this year. If you replace someone else you probably go in too heavy.



Nothing, I was as much against McEwen being selected last year (where just as many were claiming he was robbed of a spot) as I am Renshaw this year, but his record and form are better than Renshaw's.

I am not trying to cover anything up, I just see the probability of Renshaw being useful in this type of race as fairly low.
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OK when you put it like that. makes sense to me now.
 
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Being a Moderator must mean you have to you spend alot of time on the computer.. 300m at 5% for a Pro – I think your pulling my leg.. You couldn’t be serious. Now I realise I am fighting a losing battle with you Ferminal, But I will have one more try.

You are falling into the trap that a cycle race is like a running race where the strongest wins. Sure this year Gilbert has made it look the case, but road racing is about numbers, options and importantly manipulation. Only 1 or 2 teams in a road race can form a strategy around themselves; in this case, maybe Britain and Belgium, as not only do they have a clear leader but that leader is and outstanding specialist in a set strategy.

So all the other teams look at the opposition and have a open strategy that aims to cover other teams likely next move. Sure it is important to have numbers but you still need patience. The point is, the whole thing is a con-job, you can’t see that on the TV because a respected rider can change the Brunch Dynamics of a group, lift to pace or maybe even stopping all momentum without doing a thing. Forget your profile you are not giving Mark renshaw the respect he deserves on this course and importantly Renshaw is up the top of the cyclists peer group, and has too much respect amongst the riders to leave out of this Australian world’s team. It is Politics I am afraid Ferminal!!

Secondly Whitey said - Gossy would have been our number 1 option but he has been sick so we are going to try other things. The other directors will not fall for this, he is only saying it so the Aussies can ride a conservative race and not be expected to chase. Everyone knows GreenEdge is despirate to have Gossy in the worlds jersey next year, Renshaw fits the Goss plan but someone doesn’t want him in the team for some reason.
 
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Red Ace

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Ferminal said:
$100 to charity of your choice if Renshaw finishes top15 in M-SR or a Worlds. Offer stands for his career, keep in touch.
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Yer Good one!!! He will never get to race the worlds because they will never pick him. That the point.. and that is what the thread is about in case your have forgotten..
 
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Ferminal

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Red Ace said:
Yer Good one!!! He will never get to race the worlds because they will never pick him. That the point.. and that is what the thread is about in case your have forgotten..
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No, the point is that he is mediocre in long tough races, unless you or Mark can produce evidence to the contrary why should I change my position? I can only look at the performances we have available to us, and none of them are overly flattering.
 
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Red Ace

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No, the point is that he is mediocre in long tough races, unless you or Mark can produce evidence to the contrary why should I change my position? I can only look at the performances we have available to us, and none of them are overly flattering.
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In case you have forgotten - For the last 4 years Mark Renshaw has used the Classics only for build-up for the World BIGGEST Cycling Event the Tour de France, in which he has proven himself as a worth representative of Australia.
It was his bosses orders.. In case you didn’t know some riders have to focus on the world biggest race.
Also Mark Renshaw is a “support rider” who following orders.. as a moderator I guess you have to sit at the computer just looking at results; it might shock you to know that sometimes a support riders results don’t suggest their performance..... over!!
 
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Then how do you explain his uncompetitive nature post-Tour in recent races (Hamburg, GP Plouay)? I'm not sure HTC had any other fast finishers at these races so he was probably their sprint leader, but still did nothing. Shouldn't he have been using them to prove his form for the Worlds, as Gerrans and Simon Clarke have done? The same races where he has finished well behind a certain R. McEwen? How about the support he is riding in the Tour of Britain? If he's losing a minute to Cavendish on an obstacle near the finish can you rely on him to keep Gilbert in reach at the end of a Worlds? If the TdF is the peak of his season why can't he survive flat stages with a few bumps raced hard like some of the stages in the first week this year?
 
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Red Ace

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That’s enough Ferminal I personally think this is going too far, and clearly you have no respect for Mark Renshaw.

Do you understand the frame of mind he would be in now. If he wasn’t selected this year he will probably never be selected, and clearly you don’t understand how much that can hurt.

After taking a break after the TdF which included dropping alot of money by not doing the post tour crit to build up for the Worlds, honestly how do you think he feels at the moment..

I have said enough.. you win! It was very very wrong to question an Australian Cycling selection, yes we have a team of inform riders all guaranteed to go the distance, (as cycling is mainly about distance)... sorry for the thread
 
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Don't drop out now Red, it's getting fun watching Ferminal counter your hyperbole with reason and fact. I was shocked at this omission too, but Ferminal brings some very good points to the debate.
 
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Yeah, a troll on an account that was inactive for 2 years trying to ridicule Ferminal's knowledge. Not even ACF/DT try to troll this hard.
 
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Sorry Red ... but I am with Feminal on this one.

I think the selectors made a huge mistake in not taking Renshaw, and I do think that it is due to polotics.

BUT - Feminal makes a lot of good points. He isnt talking out of his a$$ he actually has a bit of reasoning behind his position.

Renshaw's form and history dont actually help his case for selction any. Yes Renshaw has had to work for Cav - but that doesnt mean that he should not have been able to be at the pointy end of the major races. In fact, a leadout guy SHOULD be there at the end .... to lead out the sprinter.

If that is the role he is supposed to play in the race, its generally a good idea to look at those kinds of races and his history of being able to do that role - which for MSR and other longer sprint races or those with a few bumps - its not great.

Next year Renshaw is to ride for Rabo - as a leader. Lets see how he does in the classics. If he wins MSR then I guess the selectors will have some questions to answer.
 
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I personally im 50-50 with mark not being in the team as you have to look at his strengths to what the team needs. Mark is the best lead out man in the world but has never shown if he can handle the distance. But assume he can handle the distance, If it came down to a sprint finish With Goss on renshaws wheel, is goss really good enough to beat cav and griepel from that position?
I dont think so.

The reason why im 50-50 tho is because of the other selections in the team. Of the other selections some riders have done little riding this year and are not even close to form. Take Rogers for example his best result all year is 12th the in paris nice, and in milano-sanremo this year he came 83rd.

So this raises the question why did riders who are not in form and have not had any results get picked above Renshaw? Sure a its a gamble that he might not be able to last the distance, but its also a gamble taking riders who can do the distance but are clearly nowhere near there best. Renshaw Also rides with goss at htc, That has to be an advantage.
 
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sublimit

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Red Ace said:
That’s enough Ferminal I personally think this is going too far, and clearly you have no respect for Mark Renshaw.

... sorry for the thread
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Red Ace Is Mark Renshaws mum or a fan or whatever?. Kind of a creepy last few posts lol.
 
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I was just eavesdropping on the debate between Ferminal and Red Ace and just want to say I didn't even think of the distance as a factor, but I did a little research into Renshaw's results on longer races-Milan Sanremo being one. I was surprised to see he was never there, several minutes back in fact. I also found it interesting on his website he said,
...hopefully I'll be there in the final to help.
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Apparently he doesn't have much confidence in himself with long distances.

Anyway....I learned something new.

Oh and ummm http://www.mrenshaw.com/index.php?start=18
 
auscyclefan94

auscyclefan94

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Matt white #epicfail

Mark seems to be one of the only riders who actually has some decent form currently. Haussler will be a pick they regret imo.
 
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