Richie Porte Discussion Thread.

[Jancouver]

Re: Re:

maybe it doesn't matter about body type. It's more about how good your body can recover each day and how much recovery your body can sustain during 3 weeks. Isn't that what's the key ingredient as far as the physique goes to win GT?

Recovery seems to be the word most GT riders mention during the race. How they recover from each hard stage and just the fact of competing for three weeks. It's always weird how some riders handle the rest days better than others. Often when a hard stage comes after a rest day, the differences in performance are huge even with the top 10 riders. It seems that he body becomes used to the extremes and even though riders train on the rest day, for some it just comes at the wrong time or knocks their body off kilter. Sometimes the stage after a rest day can lose someone the race if they have a really bad day. You used to hear stories of some riders not riding at all or staying in bed on the rest day and still doing well on the next stage but it seems to be unheard of these days, that someone does not ride on the rest day.

Purito was to tired on the 2nd rest day of the Vuelta 2012 and didn't ride. Contador saw he was off the next day and Fuente De happened.

Recovery over 3 weeks is what makes GTs special. It would be criminal IMO to ever shorten them.

As we have all seen Porte seems to have a least one day when he fails to recover enough over night and he blows up the next day. Whether that will change with his new body and confidence we shall see soon enough.

As long Contador is in a good shape, it is almost given that Porte will crack and will have a bad day as he will have to perform at much higher level to keep up with Bert. He may be able to do so for a few days but eventually he will pay the price.

I think that Porte is a little unlucky having Contador doing the Giro because otherwise he and Sky would be able to just ride a fine tempo and pace Porte based on his powemeter. With Contador around, it will not happen as Bert does not really ride the powermeter robot style.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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lol. wtf does being caucasian have to do with this? you are grasping at straws now

Since you are incapable of reading more than the last post, and wrote this:

if you think porte with 172x60 doesn't have the body for a gt then explain how quintana won last years giro being 167x51

here are some quotes from previous posts in this thread:

"Porte is not a little Colombian but an extremely short white man"

"As per his body type, my own theory is that a way below average size Caucasian man does not have the raw power/physique to win a three weeks long and hard GT. Thats all."

So once again, what part of Porte not being Colombian but a very short white man you dont understand?

ok then please explain cunego's giro win in 2004 being 169x57, he must surely be caucasian?

 

[Kokoso]

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It's called empiricism, you know.

Kokoto, are you referring to your own live struggles?

Lol, really "classy". I guess I hit soft spot.

 

[Jancouver]

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lol. wtf does being caucasian have to do with this? you are grasping at straws now

Since you are incapable of reading more than the last post, and wrote this:

if you think porte with 172x60 doesn't have the body for a gt then explain how quintana won last years giro being 167x51

here are some quotes from previous posts in this thread:

"Porte is not a little Colombian but an extremely short white man"

"As per his body type, my own theory is that a way below average size Caucasian man does not have the raw power/physique to win a three weeks long and hard GT. Thats all."

So once again, what part of Porte not being Colombian but a very short white man you dont understand?

ok then please explain cunego's giro win in 2004 being 169x57, he must surely be caucasian?

Once again, you are late to the party and my opinion on Cunego has been already posted above.

That being said, I truly believe your participation on this forum is worthless and you should stop posting because you really are are incapable of anything other than calling names.

So please, do me a favor and put me on ignore and stop responding to my posts because you really have nothing of value to contribute to these conversations.

 

[Kokoso]

Re: Re:

lol. wtf does being caucasian have to do with this? you are grasping at straws now

Since you are incapable of reading more than the last post, and wrote this:

if you think porte with 172x60 doesn't have the body for a gt then explain how quintana won last years giro being 167x51

here are some quotes from previous posts in this thread:

"Porte is not a little Colombian but an extremely short white man"

"As per his body type, my own theory is that a way below average size Caucasian man does not have the raw power/physique to win a three weeks long and hard GT. Thats all."

So once again, what part of Porte not being Colombian but a very short white man you dont understand?

ok then please explain cunego's giro win in 2004 being 169x57, he must surely be caucasian?

Once again, you are late to the party and my opinion on Cunego has been already posted above.

That being said, I truly believe your participation on this forum is worthless and you should stop posting because you really are are incapable of anything other than calling names.

So please, do me a favor and put me on ignore and stop responding to my posts because you really have nothing of value to contribute to these conversations.

It's surprising you are pointing someone calling names while doing exactly the same to someone (and not in answer).

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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lol. wtf does being caucasian have to do with this? you are grasping at straws now

Since you are incapable of reading more than the last post, and wrote this:

if you think porte with 172x60 doesn't have the body for a gt then explain how quintana won last years giro being 167x51

here are some quotes from previous posts in this thread:

"Porte is not a little Colombian but an extremely short white man"

"As per his body type, my own theory is that a way below average size Caucasian man does not have the raw power/physique to win a three weeks long and hard GT. Thats all."

So once again, what part of Porte not being Colombian but a very short white man you dont understand?

ok then please explain cunego's giro win in 2004 being 169x57, he must surely be caucasian?

Once again, you are late to the party and my opinion on Cunego has been already posted above.

That being said, I truly believe your participation on this forum is worthless and you should stop posting because you really are are incapable of anything other than calling names.

So please, do me a favor and put me on ignore and stop responding to my posts because you really have nothing of value to contribute to these conversations.

I hardly care about you. so I guess it would be better for you to ignore me then. I'm just laughing at you along with the rest of this forum

 

[Eshnar]

The next one to continue this incredibly thrilling discussion about caucasians, calling names and ignore lists will be banned.
Get back to Porte.

 

[Netserk]

How tall is Porte exactly? ~170cm?

His head is weirder than Contador's. Surely his head deserves it own thread?

 

[movingtarget]

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How tall is Porte exactly? ~170cm?

His head is weirder than Contador's. Surely his head deserves it own thread?

I think it's already been discussed in the clinic along with jaws, legs and every other human characteristic that has been effected by the evil D word or supposedly.

 

[movingtarget]

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maybe it doesn't matter about body type. It's more about how good your body can recover each day and how much recovery your body can sustain during 3 weeks. Isn't that what's the key ingredient as far as the physique goes to win GT?

Recovery seems to be the word most GT riders mention during the race. How they recover from each hard stage and just the fact of competing for three weeks. It's always weird how some riders handle the rest days better than others. Often when a hard stage comes after a rest day, the differences in performance are huge even with the top 10 riders. It seems that he body becomes used to the extremes and even though riders train on the rest day, for some it just comes at the wrong time or knocks their body off kilter. Sometimes the stage after a rest day can lose someone the race if they have a really bad day. You used to hear stories of some riders not riding at all or staying in bed on the rest day and still doing well on the next stage but it seems to be unheard of these days, that someone does not ride on the rest day.

Purito was to tired on the 2nd rest day of the Vuelta 2012 and didn't ride. Contador saw he was off the next day and Fuente De happened.

Recovery over 3 weeks is what makes GTs special. It would be criminal IMO to ever shorten them.

As we have all seen Porte seems to have a least one day when he fails to recover enough over night and he blows up the next day. Whether that will change with his new body and confidence we shall see soon enough.

We all watch the same race and some riders always look like they are struggling like Evans or Sorenson. But I could not believe that Rodriguez lost the 2012 Vuelta. Contador was coming back from a long break and seemed to be struggling throughout while Rodriguez looked fresh compared to Contador. Looked fresh but obviously wasn't and Contador will always exploit a weakness or a perceived one. He won't die wondering.

As for Porte, he should do well in the TT even though it is longer than usual and he can maybe a afford to lose some seconds here and there but he can't afford to have a really bad day. Of course if someone else is riding like an android there is not much to be done but some riders are good at minimizing their losses while others simply try and hang on until they crack. It took Evans a while to learn how to minimize his losses in the mountains instead of reacting to every attack but other riders sometimes get dropped earlier but finish the stage stronger and end up saving time when the attackers at some stage have to slow down or start thinking about winning the stage if they are riding in a group. Porte has to ride smarter. If someone is too strong for him there is not much he can do but defend his position on GC but if the race is up for grabs and no one is dominating in the third week he will have to be smart about when to make the effort and when to hold back a little. Of course doing it over three weeks is never easy especially with any health and injury concerns that could also can have an impact.

 

[SeriousSam]

Looks ready, like a Caesar who crossed the Rubicon.

 

[Jelantik]

Today's result is interesting. Not much time difference but for the first time, Sky and Richie start from the back foot. Typically it is Contador who always start from the place of deficit.

 

[Jspear]

I always thought he was going to lose time I just didn't think it would start this early.
I think he needs to attack early because he isn't guaranteed super form later in the race. He should try something on stage 5.

 

[cineteq]

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Not much time difference but for the first time, Sky and Richie start from the back foot.

Porte and Sky neutralized themselves.

 

[Jelantik]

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I always thought he was going to lose time I just didn't think it would start this early.
I think he needs to attack early because he isn't guaranteed super form later in the race. He should try something on stage 5.

well you know how the history goes. Contador is hard to beat even if he starts at the back foot. Now he is ahead. It's dangerous.. Interested to see when or what stage Richie is going to start attacking? or should he wait until the ITT at stage 14?

 

[DBotero]

Not a great start,i didn't expect Sky to win today,but they were kinda mediocre.Interesting if the GC is right,they carried Nieve who was struggling all the way to the finish.There might have been some team orders to get Nieve with them at all cost,but i think Porte lost some time because of it.
Nevermind if Porte wants to get something from this Giro,he needs to attack,betting on ITT is not going to do him any good.

 

[gregrowlerson]

A setback, but only a small one. The twenty second deficit shouldn't change Porte's (and Sky's) tactics in the coming days. I believe that he should have been looking to attack on stages 5 & 8 regardless, so this just means that the best case scenario of being over a minute ahead going into the ITT is less likely to be the case.

I'm not sure if any GT has ever been lost due to a twenty second time loss on an opening stage. At the end of three weeks we're usually talking about minutes, not seconds.

 

[movingtarget]

It's still better to be a bit behind than to be in Pink early in the race. 20 seconds is nothing but I find it weird that on paper Sky seemed to have very strong teams for the TTT but often disappoint. Porte has to ensure that he does not continue to leak seconds here and there to Contador especially on flat stages where the bunch can split in the last few kms. The individual TT is a big stage for all of the GC contenders but especially for Porte and Uran who really need to put some time into Contador which won't be easy if Contador is in good form.

 

[Carols]

RG: Richie posted on Twitter a picture of the interior of a double pop-out motor home that he will sleep in during the race. What is the reason behind this?

TK: We are exploring some opportunities around how we operate and testing some things during this race. It is part of that pilot project. We will keep a room for him in the hotel in this initial case, if the parking location isn’t great or if it’s noisy or because of security concern. It’s just a familiar environment he can go back to every night. He has got into a routine where he prefers to be on his own ... skip desert and go back to his room after dinner, speak to Gemma [Nicole Barrett, his fiancé] on the phone and then get to bed early. Sleep and recovery is so important. But we will play it by ear. There may be times where he will prefer to have a roommate.

Well this is a new approach. Is he sleeping in the hotel parking lot? Does this require notification to the UCI for whereabouts?

 

[SeriousSam]

Didn't Lance also prefer to be on his own? Seemingly not that uncommon amongst elite Grand Tour leaders.

 

[LaFlorecita]

WTF. Insane stuff.

 

[SkyTears]

Contador fans should be afraid. Very afraid.

 

[movingtarget]

RG: Richie posted on Twitter a picture of the interior of a double pop-out motor home that he will sleep in during the race. What is the reason behind this?

TK: We are exploring some opportunities around how we operate and testing some things during this race. It is part of that pilot project. We will keep a room for him in the hotel in this initial case, if the parking location isn’t great or if it’s noisy or because of security concern. It’s just a familiar environment he can go back to every night. He has got into a routine where he prefers to be on his own ... skip desert and go back to his room after dinner, speak to Gemma [Nicole Barrett, his fiancé] on the phone and then get to bed early. Sleep and recovery is so important. But we will play it by ear. There may be times where he will prefer to have a roommate.

Well this is a new approach. Is he sleeping in the hotel parking lot? Does this require notification to the UCI for whereabouts?

Hotels can be very noisy especially smaller ones. They know where Richie is, he's in the car park guarding the bikes.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Contador fans should be afraid. Very afraid.

Yes.We are afraid that Little Richie will be humiliated too early and it will be a long borefest

 

[LaFlorecita]

Guarding the bikes. ROFL