Richie Porte Discussion Thread.

[Kokoso]

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OK I found the full picture ... nevertheless Porte still is a little midget

Anyway it turned your speculation above in sh*t pile.

First of all, there was no speculation. It was a clear fact and the original picture error does not change anything.

IMO Porte's body and physique is not built for 3 weeks races. It is same as those super short guys are not winning Paris-Roubaix. They dont have bodies for that and Porte does not have a body of GT winner and he should be focusing on being a helper.

I never said that Porte is not a great cyclist and I even said that he should focus on one week races. So all the haters and fangirls should stop taking shots at me until he does win the Giro or any other GT. Then, I would be more than happy to take the BS and take the walk of shame.

this has to be the most unintelligent post in all of cyclingnews and trust me. that's against some pretty stiff competition... :L if you think porte with 172x60 doesn't have the body for a gt then explain how quintana won last years giro being 167x51

Agreed. Caucasian, or not (because it's another BS).

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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this has to be the most unintelligent post in all of cyclingnews and trust me. that's against some pretty stiff competition... :L if you think porte with 172x60 doesn't have the body for a gt then explain how quintana won last years giro being 167x51

Hey Ryo, what part of "CAUCASIAN" you don't understand?

Cau·ca·sian
kôˈkāZHən/
adjective
1.
NORTH AMERICAN
white-skinned; of European origin.

If you would read the whole discussion without prematurely jumping to conclusions you would be a valuable addition to this forum. Until then, your useless attacking and name calling is a good reflection of your intelligence or rather lack of.

I truly believe that you have some kind of cephalic disorder, most likely a lissencephaly disease that is prohibiting you from having normal conversation with the rest of human population.

For the mods, I'm not calling Ryo any names, just posting my opinion on his worthless comments.

lol. wtf does being caucasian have to do with this? you are grasping at straws now

 

[Ruudz0r]

Jan, we have an avatar bet or what?

I'm totally for it as long as you don't give me Contador.

So what is the bet?

Porte not winning Giro is obvious and we dont need a bet for that because unless Bert or Uran are both out for some injury/clinic reasons Porte will never finish higher than those two.

Since I want to give you a small chance, I will take a bet that Porte will not be on the Giro podium.

I ll take that bet (Your Richie will not podium vs my Richie will podium) if you still want to do it. Im not an avatar bet fan but I really dislike your current avatar of Styby so I would like to get it changed . You can name the length and start time of the one who loses the bet.

Bet accepted.
I month avatar for the duration of June.

okay great!

 

[Dedelou]

Richie will soon have the opportunity to show us what he can deliver the start of the test is around the corner

 

[Kokoso]

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this has to be the most unintelligent post in all of cyclingnews and trust me. that's against some pretty stiff competition... :L if you think porte with 172x60 doesn't have the body for a gt then explain how quintana won last years giro being 167x51

Hey Ryo, what part of "CAUCASIAN" you don't understand?

Cau·ca·sian
kôˈkāZHən/
adjective
1.
NORTH AMERICAN
white-skinned; of European origin.

If you would read the whole discussion without prematurely jumping to conclusions you would be a valuable addition to this forum. Until then, your useless attacking and name calling is a good reflection of your intelligence or rather lack of.

I truly believe that you have some kind of cephalic disorder, most likely a lissencephaly disease that is prohibiting you from having normal conversation with the rest of human population.

For the mods, I'm not calling Ryo any names, just posting my opinion on his worthless comments.

lol. wtf does being caucasian have to do with this? you are grasping at straws now

It's called empiricism, you know.

 

[Jancouver]

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lol. wtf does being caucasian have to do with this? you are grasping at straws now

Since you are incapable of reading more than the last post, and wrote this:

if you think porte with 172x60 doesn't have the body for a gt then explain how quintana won last years giro being 167x51

here are some quotes from previous posts in this thread:

"Porte is not a little Colombian but an extremely short white man"

"As per his body type, my own theory is that a way below average size Caucasian man does not have the raw power/physique to win a three weeks long and hard GT. Thats all."

So once again, what part of Porte not being Colombian but a very short white man you dont understand?

 

[Jancouver]

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It's called empiricism, you know.

Kokoto, are you referring to your own live struggles?

 

[SeriousSam]

That theory is completely baseless though. Porte has demonstrated great power to weight, and even great power to aero. The former is, history tells us, easier to achieve if you're tiny. The latter isn't but he's done it.

Being able to keep it up 3 weeks doesn't seem to have anything to do with body shape at all.

 

[Jancouver]

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That theory is completely baseless though. Porte has demonstrated great power to weight, and even great power to aero. The former is, history tells us, easier to achieve if you're tiny. The latter isn't but he's done it.

Being able to keep it up 3 weeks doesn't seem to have anything to do with body shape at all.

Power to wight or power to aero has never been in question in any of my posts so please do not try to twist it around.

As per the stamina for 3 weeks hard stage race, perhaps these days, even little 'midget' with the right team of "experts" and the right training "program" can win a grand tour a keep dominating races from January to June while pedaling around at extremely low body fat levels that would knock out any average human.

Well, any person with a little common sense would find these facts disturbing however to many around here, Porte is an idol and reflection of what is wrong with this sport.

 

[SeriousSam]

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In the posts you quoted to Ryo, you said small Caucasians tend to no have "raw power/physique" to win GTs. Well, there are three ingredients to winning GTs, power to weight, power to aero and recovering/being consistent.

There is evidence shortness is a problem for power to aero, but we already know Porte can TT well. There simply is no evidence at all shortness is a problem for recovery. The reason short guys dont tend to do so well in GTs is because they tend to get crushed in the time trials. They get crushed even harder in PR for the same reason, because they cannot produce the power, not because they aren't as durable or have as much stamina.

Now with Porte, there is some legitimate concern over his ability to recover and be consistent, because in the past he's had a few bad days. But there is no evidence that this has anything to do with not being 180 cm talls.

 

[Jancouver]

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In the posts you quoted to Ryo, you said small Caucasians tend to no have "raw power/physique" to win GTs. Well, there are three ingredients to winning GTs, power to weight, power to aero and recovering/being consistent.

There is evidence shortness is a problem for power to aero, but we already know Porte can TT well. There simply is no evidence at all shortness is a problem for recovery. The reason short guys dont tend to do so well in GTs is because they tend to get crushed in the time trials. They get crushed even harder in PR for the same reason, because they cannot produce the power, not because they aren't as durable or have as much stamina.

Now with Porte, there is some legitimate concern over his ability to recover and be consistent, because in the past he's had a few bad days. But there is no evidence that this has anything to do with not being 180 cm talls.

We all know that at the time, small Levi Leipheimer had the lowest cda ever measured for any pro rider which was a key to his decent TT ability and I can imagine that Porte has a similarly low cda therefore power to aero is not a question.

Same for power to weight, Porte has that and these days the riders with almost childish bodies are good climbers and performing the best on steeper hills.

That being said, their below average small bodies may be the reasons for cracking more frequently than slightly bigger guys and having "bad days" more often than those like Froome, Wigo or even Armstrong who was in the 150-160lb category and unless you are small Colombian growing up in high elevation anything close or under 130lb is too small for a real GT contender (other than Vuelta where usually the best riders dont participate)

Perhaps Contador's 138-140lb is the ideal weight these days but again, that kid is extremely talented and has something that most of those in his weigh category are missing.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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Perhaps Contador's 138-140lb is the ideal weight these days but again, that kid is extremely talented and has something that most of those in his weigh category are missing.

But you just said the Vuelta doesn't count and AC hasn't won the Giro nor Tour in forever so maybe he is the most racially inferior genotype after all?

 

[Mr.White]

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In the posts you quoted to Ryo, you said small Caucasians tend to no have "raw power/physique" to win GTs. Well, there are three ingredients to winning GTs, power to weight, power to aero and recovering/being consistent.

There is evidence shortness is a problem for power to aero, but we already know Porte can TT well. There simply is no evidence at all shortness is a problem for recovery. The reason short guys dont tend to do so well in GTs is because they tend to get crushed in the time trials. They get crushed even harder in PR for the same reason, because they cannot produce the power, not because they aren't as durable or have as much stamina.

Now with Porte, there is some legitimate concern over his ability to recover and be consistent, because in the past he's had a few bad days. But there is no evidence that this has anything to do with not being 180 cm talls.

We all know that at the time, small Levi Leipheimer had the lowest cda ever measured for any pro rider which was a key to his decent TT ability and I can imagine that Porte has a similarly low cda therefore power to aero is not a question.

Same for power to weight, Porte has that and these days the riders with almost childish bodies are good climbers and performing the best on steeper hills.

That being said, their below average small bodies may be the reasons for cracking more frequently than slightly bigger guys and having "bad days" more often than those like Froome, Wigo or even Armstrong who was in the 150-160lb category and unless you are small Colombian growing up in high elevation anything close or under 130lb is too small for a real GT contender (other than Vuelta where usually the best riders dont participate)

Perhaps Contador's 138-140lb is the ideal weight these days but again, that kid is extremely talented and has something that most of those in his weigh category are missing.

All the best GT riders in the world participated Vuelta in last two seasons

 

[Carols]

I'm just glad no one told Pantani he couldn't win GTs because he was to short and light.....

 

[SafeBet]

Lower than Froome who was allegedly at 2.5-3% ?

We'll reach the point they tell us you can have negative body fat percentage. Just wait.

 

[DBotero]

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Lower than Froome who was allegedly at 2.5-3% ?

We'll reach the point they tell us you can have negative body fat percentage. Just wait.

As long as people buy everything that is thrown at them,this BS will go on forever.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Lower than Froome who was allegedly at 2.5-3% ?

We'll reach the point they tell us you can have negative body fat percentage. Just wait.

Don't worry, his body fat is probably like 5% and not the lowest. That's just information Sky put out there to take some of the surprise out of Big Richie dropping everyone at the Giro.

They're basically saying, Richie is at his best ever so don't be surprised if he dominates. They're saying, remember Ax3 Richie? Current Richie is much better. That's what they're saying, they're just using the language of bodyfat to state it.

Before the time trial, Brailsford will be taking about how he worked extremely hard in a windtunnel on his TT over the winter, as was already evident when he won the Aussie TT. He'll probably also throw something in about handlebar lowering and the position on the TT bike.

 

[nayr497]

His nose seems to get bigger as his body gets smaller.

I can't see Porte winning the Giro, he just seems to lack the confidence it takes.

 

[Jelantik]

maybe it doesn't matter about body type. It's more about how good your body can recover each day and how much recovery your body can sustain during 3 weeks. Isn't that what's the key ingredient as far as the physique goes to win GT?

 

[Dedelou]

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maybe it doesn't matter about body type. It's more about how good your body can recover each day and how much recovery your body can sustain during 3 weeks. Isn't that what's the key ingredient as far as the physique goes to win GT?

one of the key ingredient is staying up right on the bike or hoping the competition doesn't

 

[Jancouver]

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All the best GT riders in the world participated Vuelta in last two seasons

Huh?

Perhaps couple of big names showed up for Vuelta but that does not make the race equal to TdF or even Giro.

TDF is raced at much higher intensity and all teams are sending their BEST riders.

How to explain that without offending anyone. Perhaps this:

Its like sending Leo Messi and Ronaldo to play US Soccer league and then calling the MLS equal with Spanish league just because two good players showed up.

 

[Mr.White]

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All the best GT riders in the world participated Vuelta in last two seasons

Huh?

Perhaps couple of big names showed up for Vuelta but that does not make the race equal to TdF or even Giro.

TDF is raced at much higher intensity and all teams are sending their BEST riders.

How to explain that without offending anyone. Perhaps this:

Its like sending Leo Messi and Ronaldo to play US Soccer league and then calling the MLS equal with Spanish league just because two good players showed up.

I was answering to your post that the best riders doesn't participate Vuelta, well that's not truth. Contador, Froome, Quintana, Nibali, Valverde, Purito, Uran, etc,etc, all participate Vuelta in last two years. Those are the very best GT riders of current generation.

I know that Vuelta has a lower level of quality than Tour, but that's not the subject of my post. The Tour is the biggest race in the world, but Vuelta's 2012,2013 and 2014 were damn good races with high quality field.

And your example isn't good, that couple of very best riders who shows up at Vuelta usually are backed with very good teams. It's like Barca and Real and couple of others brings more than a half of their squads

 

[Jelantik]

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maybe it doesn't matter about body type. It's more about how good your body can recover each day and how much recovery your body can sustain during 3 weeks. Isn't that what's the key ingredient as far as the physique goes to win GT?

one of the key ingredient is staying up right on the bike or hoping the competition doesn't

That's from the luck stands point. I'm referring to the physique stand point since I'm commenting on people are talking about Porte body type as being said not going to stand a 3 weeks race. Porte body type might not have enough power, but if he has an amazing recovery (which I don't know of course, but just for the sake of discussion), does that will make any difference?

 

[movingtarget]

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maybe it doesn't matter about body type. It's more about how good your body can recover each day and how much recovery your body can sustain during 3 weeks. Isn't that what's the key ingredient as far as the physique goes to win GT?

Recovery seems to be the word most GT riders mention during the race. How they recover from each hard stage and just the fact of competing for three weeks. It's always weird how some riders handle the rest days better than others. Often when a hard stage comes after a rest day, the differences in performance are huge even with the top 10 riders. It seems that he body becomes used to the extremes and even though riders train on the rest day, for some it just comes at the wrong time or knocks their body off kilter. Sometimes the stage after a rest day can lose someone the race if they have a really bad day. You used to hear stories of some riders not riding at all or staying in bed on the rest day and still doing well on the next stage but it seems to be unheard of these days, that someone does not ride on the rest day.

 

[Carols]

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maybe it doesn't matter about body type. It's more about how good your body can recover each day and how much recovery your body can sustain during 3 weeks. Isn't that what's the key ingredient as far as the physique goes to win GT?

Recovery seems to be the word most GT riders mention during the race. How they recover from each hard stage and just the fact of competing for three weeks. It's always weird how some riders handle the rest days better than others. Often when a hard stage comes after a rest day, the differences in performance are huge even with the top 10 riders. It seems that he body becomes used to the extremes and even though riders train on the rest day, for some it just comes at the wrong time or knocks their body off kilter. Sometimes the stage after a rest day can lose someone the race if they have a really bad day. You used to hear stories of some riders not riding at all or staying in bed on the rest day and still doing well on the next stage but it seems to be unheard of these days, that someone does not ride on the rest day.

Purito was to tired on the 2nd rest day of the Vuelta 2012 and didn't ride. Contador saw he was off the next day and Fuente De happened.

Recovery over 3 weeks is what makes GTs special. It would be criminal IMO to ever shorten them.

As we have all seen Porte seems to have a least one day when he fails to recover enough over night and he blows up the next day. Whether that will change with his new body and confidence we shall see soon enough.