Other riders could be Bookwalter, Kung (though he might be down to do the Giro), Ventoso and Moinard (who seems to follow Richie everywhere,though should be made dispensable with Roche as road captain).
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Moinard ahs been a good dom for richie but not as strong a rider as Roche ...who is very good on the rolling terraine and downhill which there are alot of at this years Tour and better on the TTT ( is there one ?),,,course he needs to find some form
But Moinard could make it if no other strong rouler
greenedge said:
Moinard ahs been a good dom for richie but not as strong a rider as Roche ...who is very good on the rolling terraine and downhill which there are alot of at this years Tour and better on the TTT ( is there one ?),,,course he needs to find some form
But Moinard could make it if no other strong rouler
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DBotero said:"I learnt from the last Tour de France that it's never finished and that as disastrous as it seems, there's always a chance to bounce back and do great things. That's what happened yesterday. I heard some people say that they let me go away in the last climb but I sincerely don't think that was the case. I have the impression I'm as good a climber as anyone else in that climb yesterday. Yesterday was certainly a good step in my overall preparation for July. Things changed since I left Team Sky. With Team Sky, it was more a matter of winning every race we entered. It's a more relaxed atmosphere at BMC and it suits me too." ->letour.fr
I think he's talking about Contador there
He was no threat in the gc at 15 minutes back. It's quite possible that they chose to let him go or at the least were hesitant to jump on his wheel since his objectives in the long run were different from theirs. Porte was trying to make up for blowing his opportunity to compete for the gc by pursuing a stage win. He was free to go all out and risk blowing himself up in pursuit of a stage win.
Angliru said:DBotero said:"I learnt from the last Tour de France that it's never finished and that as disastrous as it seems, there's always a chance to bounce back and do great things. That's what happened yesterday. I heard some people say that they let me go away in the last climb but I sincerely don't think that was the case. I have the impression I'm as good a climber as anyone else in that climb yesterday. Yesterday was certainly a good step in my overall preparation for July. Things changed since I left Team Sky. With Team Sky, it was more a matter of winning every race we entered. It's a more relaxed atmosphere at BMC and it suits me too." ->letour.fr
I think he's talking about Contador there
He was no threat in the gc at 15 minutes back. It's quite possible that they chose to let him go or at the least were hesitant to jump on his wheel since his objectives in the long run were different from theirs. Porte was trying to make up for blowing his opportunity to compete for the gc by pursuing a stage win. He was free to go all out and risk blowing himself up in pursuit of a stage win.
Reckon PORTE soft-pedalled that climb and had more left in the tank.
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Might be as anaerobic gifted as Froome and Quintana (or even more), but when it rains, the elbows are out and the racing gets decided by more than w/kg he is vulnerable. His recovery was also shady yesterday after his monster performance on Saturday - he should've been able to hold onto Contador's wheel into Nice.
I don't know what to make out of him. If everything clicks, he can win the Tour. You can say that about 3 or 4 riders.
I don't know what to make out of him. If everything clicks, he can win the Tour. You can say that about 3 or 4 riders.
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yaco said:Angliru said:DBotero said:"I learnt from the last Tour de France that it's never finished and that as disastrous as it seems, there's always a chance to bounce back and do great things. That's what happened yesterday. I heard some people say that they let me go away in the last climb but I sincerely don't think that was the case. I have the impression I'm as good a climber as anyone else in that climb yesterday. Yesterday was certainly a good step in my overall preparation for July. Things changed since I left Team Sky. With Team Sky, it was more a matter of winning every race we entered. It's a more relaxed atmosphere at BMC and it suits me too." ->letour.fr
I think he's talking about Contador there
He was no threat in the gc at 15 minutes back. It's quite possible that they chose to let him go or at the least were hesitant to jump on his wheel since his objectives in the long run were different from theirs. Porte was trying to make up for blowing his opportunity to compete for the gc by pursuing a stage win. He was free to go all out and risk blowing himself up in pursuit of a stage win.
Reckon PORTE soft-pedalled that climb and had more left in the tank.
He did say that it wasn't really an attack in the interview after the race. He said that he just kind of rolled off of the front (he was out of the saddle at the time) and when he looked back he had a gap and decided to keep going (or something like that). If that is the case then there had to be a lull in the pace at that time, I believe it was on one of the switch backs where everyone went wide and he took the turn tight, leaving him by himself.
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Re: his TT: I am not sure this will be that big a factor at the Tour, isn't it only something like 35km of TT, and that is split over two stages.
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No TTT this year. I completely agree with you that Moinard is not vital to Richie with Roche there, there is no question Roche is the stronger rider and they both have lots of experience. Moinard will probably go though (along with Roche) just because he seems to follow Richie everywhere, last year PN, ROmandie, Dauphine, TDF and this year TDU and PN.
HelloDolly said:
No TTT this year. I completely agree with you that Moinard is not vital to Richie with Roche there, there is no question Roche is the stronger rider and they both have lots of experience. Moinard will probably go though (along with Roche) just because he seems to follow Richie everywhere, last year PN, ROmandie, Dauphine, TDF and this year TDU and PN.
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I think there are better domestiques around. Both of them are hot or cold. Moinard often disappoints on stages that should suit him while Roche is mainly for the medium to flat stages. His climbing on the hard stages isn't good enough which is why he gave up on GC ambitions. Both are good riders on their day but I hope that Porte gets more out of Roche than Evans got out of Moinard. Caruso did a good job for Porte last year, he impressed me but he is a better climber than the other two. I was also hoping that TJVG was going to offer something to Porte after he dropped out of contention in the Tour but he didn't. I don't know what TJVG's contract situation is but if he doesn't show much this year I would be surprised if BMC retained him.
HelloDolly said:
I think there are better domestiques around. Both of them are hot or cold. Moinard often disappoints on stages that should suit him while Roche is mainly for the medium to flat stages. His climbing on the hard stages isn't good enough which is why he gave up on GC ambitions. Both are good riders on their day but I hope that Porte gets more out of Roche than Evans got out of Moinard. Caruso did a good job for Porte last year, he impressed me but he is a better climber than the other two. I was also hoping that TJVG was going to offer something to Porte after he dropped out of contention in the Tour but he didn't. I don't know what TJVG's contract situation is but if he doesn't show much this year I would be surprised if BMC retained him.
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They are not necessarily best in the mountains but that is not about being a good domestique...
BMC need Caruso and Van Garderen and Hermans in the moutains but there wil be problems with conssitency ...(.not so with Roche and Moinard a doms)
Roche can climb but he is usually carrying too much timber ...when he sheds it it has performed well on mountains though not a natural climber .. 5th and 6th in the Vuelta shows he can climb
Van Garderen needs to step up as a dom if he does nor do well at the Giro he will have no other recourse...he is in the last chance saloon
Hermans was great in Oman but he is not alwasy consistent...
Caruso and SAMU can be good but again no guarantee with either being good for 3 weeks...
BMC will have to rotate their riders ....
BMC need Caruso and Van Garderen and Hermans in the moutains but there wil be problems with conssitency ...(.not so with Roche and Moinard a doms)
Roche can climb but he is usually carrying too much timber ...when he sheds it it has performed well on mountains though not a natural climber .. 5th and 6th in the Vuelta shows he can climb
Van Garderen needs to step up as a dom if he does nor do well at the Giro he will have no other recourse...he is in the last chance saloon
Hermans was great in Oman but he is not alwasy consistent...
Caruso and SAMU can be good but again no guarantee with either being good for 3 weeks...
BMC will have to rotate their riders ....
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Yeah I forgot about Sanchez, he can be good and Hermans has improved. I think Roche is a decent rider but to me a good domestique is one that is consistent. The reality is that Caruso will probably be the only one with Porte on the hard climbs maybe also TJVG if he ever gets his act together. But Roche can also play his part as the road captain and on stages that suit him. I still think Roche is a good signing for Porte. Age might be catching up with Sanchez but he is still doing pretty well.
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Yeah I forgot about Sanchez, he can be good and Hermans has improved. I think Roche is a decent rider but to me a good domestique is one that is consistent. The reality is that Caruso will probably be the only one with Porte on the hard climbs maybe also TJVG if he ever gets his act together. But Roche can also play his part as the road captain and on stages that suit him. I still think Roche is a good signing for Porte. Age might be catching up with Sanchez but he is still doing pretty well.
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This - BMC needs to pick a balanced team to support Porte on the flatter parts of the race, which can be his weakness - BMC don't need a million mountain domestics, if they make the race harder for longer on mountain days - People wonder why Sky has been dominant - Well if you soft pedal mountain stages until the climbs, this allows Sky's top heavy climbing team to set a fast tempo on climbs - You need to weaken Sky before the climbs.
HelloDolly said:
This - BMC needs to pick a balanced team to support Porte on the flatter parts of the race, which can be his weakness - BMC don't need a million mountain domestics, if they make the race harder for longer on mountain days - People wonder why Sky has been dominant - Well if you soft pedal mountain stages until the climbs, this allows Sky's top heavy climbing team to set a fast tempo on climbs - You need to weaken Sky before the climbs.
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Agreed. Looking at performances until now Porte and Valverde are the Favourites for the tdf
Crazy wattage there. Super impressive. Hes world no 1 in 10-15 big effort climbs. No doubt about that.
Crazy wattage there. Super impressive. Hes world no 1 in 10-15 big effort climbs. No doubt about that.
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In a one week long stage race where recovery doesn't have much importance because it's only a mountain stage(maybe 2 max) he can climb at Quintana level or even a little bit better, but GT's are a different thing. Quintana is much better than him in that aspect.
portugal11 said:
In a one week long stage race where recovery doesn't have much importance because it's only a mountain stage(maybe 2 max) he can climb at Quintana level or even a little bit better, but GT's are a different thing. Quintana is much better than him in that aspect.
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Much better? You obviously missed last year's Tour de France when Porte was the 2nd strongest climber the entire race (including the 3rd week) and better than Quintana on most MTFs and the stage 18 MTT. I am sceptical of Movistar's claims that Quintana will be better with the Giro in his legs. The Tour is not the Vuelta the riders' level is always higher at the Tour.
pink_jersey said:
Much better? You obviously missed last year's Tour de France when Porte was the 2nd strongest climber the entire race (including the 3rd week) and better than Quintana on most MTFs and the stage 18 MTT. I am sceptical of Movistar's claims that Quintana will be better with the Giro in his legs. The Tour is not the Vuelta the riders' level is always higher at the Tour.
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Porte showed even in the 2013 Tour that he could put Quintana into trouble on climbs. Of course both are improved riders. I think Porte without his customary bad luck will push for a podium in the Tour. Can't see Quintana doing the double or anyone else for that matter. On his day Porte can climb as well as anyone. The Tour is shaping up to be a good race this year. As usual over three weeks you need to have some luck. I think Porte will be confident of doing well after his performance in last year's Tour. The first time he convinced a lot of people that he can ride a strong three weeks.
Cookster15 said:
Porte showed even in the 2013 Tour that he could put Quintana into trouble on climbs. Of course both are improved riders. I think Porte without his customary bad luck will push for a podium in the Tour. Can't see Quintana doing the double or anyone else for that matter. On his day Porte can climb as well as anyone. The Tour is shaping up to be a good race this year. As usual over three weeks you need to have some luck. I think Porte will be confident of doing well after his performance in last year's Tour. The first time he convinced a lot of people that he can ride a strong three weeks.
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I agree mate. Quintana is very consistent, he can mantain his power almost intact in 3 weekspink_jersey said:
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