Richie Porte Discussion Thread.

[rhubroma]

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Tiralonga helped AC win Vuleta 2012 but no 1 saw this as collusion
And all those asking would Clarke have stopeed fro Contador ...would Tiralonga have helped Fromme or Porte

Collusion that gives an unfair advantage goes on all the time ......but this was not unfair advantage

UCI are dicks

The rule was developed to hinder "fixing" the race. In principle it makes sense. Life's a *** and then you die.

 

[richwagmn]

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Tiralonga helped AC win Vuleta 2012 but no 1 saw this as collusion
And all those asking would Clarke have stopeed fro Contador ...would Tiralonga have helped Fromme or Porte

Collusion that gives an unfair advantage goes on all the time ......but this was not unfair advantage

UCI are dicks

Of course it's an unfair advantage to Porte. How much more time would he have lost if he had to take a teammate's wheel? 10-20 seconds? He's lucky (or unlucky) he had a "friend" nearby (who thought he was riding for team Australia apparently). Your team or neutral support provides mechanical support. Same rule for all riders.

 

[Metabolol]

Didn't anyone else notice that Porte had problems keeping up with his teammates as they tried to catch up to the peloton?

 

[Ataraxus]

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I think even Aru and Contador is frustrated about this. Let's hope that Uran can do one of these monster-TT's so that it's still existing do watch.

Au contraire. Contador and Aru are nothing but happy. In the end only results count.
Even Contador fans that have big hopes for the double are nothing but happy. They might give any consolation and might say anything in this thread, but in the end, they're happy.

Why people choose to judge others emotions based on how they would feel is beyond me. Maybe I learned not to do that because I'm so old .

It's not related to how one would personally feel. I, as well, consider myself as cheering for the good racing instead of specific riders. What I was taking into consideration, was only the rational side of the issue. Emotions are irrational, I know, but today's events put Contador into a more solid position to win the overall so he and his fans don't have any reason not to be unhappy.

 

[Ataraxus]

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I think even Aru and Contador is frustrated about this. Let's hope that Uran can do one of these monster-TT's so that it's still existing do watch.

Au contraire. Contador and Aru are nothing but happy. In the end only results count.
Even Contador fans that have big hopes for the double are nothing but happy. They might give any consolation and might say anything in this thread, but in the end, they're happy.

I am not fan of Porte or Sky but I want Bertie to win at his best against the best.
If Bertie does not drop Porte and wins only by the excuse of Porte's lost time then that his not the victory I
want.

Maybe you would take that sort of win as a plus but you don't speak for me.

I'm always happy. it's just a bike race. I have Kellog's common sense

It might not be the victory you want but you would take it......anytime.....especially you

 

[Jelantik]

well the lesson is "stop tweeting about everything!!!".

lesson 2, now sky has to adapt and start riding the race. In hindsight, good thing to finally see Richie has to attack. But I do have to offer sympathy to Richie, no one wants to win w/ some else misfortune. Coz' I hate to hear people saying if Aru or Contador or Uran win the Giro, oh that's because Richie was punctured and got penalized 2 minutes for receiving help from other team. Then the discussion will go on forever about how Richie was great and he could have won Giro bla, bla, bla.

Also it means, now Contador has to show that he can put pedal to the metal. And he isn't going to just win it because Richie's penalty. So far the Giro has been nothing but all unexpected...

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

I think even Aru and Contador is frustrated about this. Let's hope that Uran can do one of these monster-TT's so that it's still existing do watch.

Au contraire. Contador and Aru are nothing but happy. In the end only results count.
Even Contador fans that have big hopes for the double are nothing but happy. They might give any consolation and might say anything in this thread, but in the end, they're happy.

The TT will clarify things. Porte has no chance but to performe well. If he does not then all is lost.

I'd rather have seen a 20 second margin, however, what happened today should not effect performances on Saturday. If Porte is better than Contador by 20 seconds, then he deserves to be in Pink, for which this debacle has falsified the race at least until that point.

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Tiralonga helped AC win Vuleta 2012 but no 1 saw this as collusion
And all those asking would Clarke have stopeed fro Contador ...would Tiralonga have helped Fromme or Porte

Collusion that gives an unfair advantage goes on all the time ......but this was not unfair advantage

UCI are dicks

Of course it's an unfair advantage to Porte. How much more time would he have lost if he had to take a teammate's wheel? 10-20 seconds? He's lucky (or unlucky) he had a "friend" nearby (who thought he was riding for team Australia apparently). Your team or neutral support provides mechanical support. Same rule for all riders.

t's ridiculously easy to say that after the fact panicking in the heat of the moment is completely different.

 

[gregrowlerson]

They killed Richie! Bastards! God damn it!

Like Kenny he'll be back, but man, what a frustrating stage and outcome.

And this thread - and forum - has gone off!!

 

[Carols]

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I think even Aru and Contador is frustrated about this. Let's hope that Uran can do one of these monster-TT's so that it's still existing do watch.

Au contraire. Contador and Aru are nothing but happy. In the end only results count.
Even Contador fans that have big hopes for the double are nothing but happy. They might give any consolation and might say anything in this thread, but in the end, they're happy.

Why people choose to judge others emotions based on how they would feel is beyond me. Maybe I learned not to do that because I'm so old .

It's not related to how one would personally feel. I, as well, consider myself as cheering for the good racing instead of specific riders. What I was taking into consideration, was only the rational side of the issue. Emotions are irrational, I know, but today's events put Contador into a more solid position to win the overall so he and his fans don't have any reason not to be unhappy.

Well who are you to determine what Aru, Contador and I feel? Frankly you have no idea how anyone else feels unless they tell you or behave in a manner that tells you. I said how I felt in my post here and you chose to assign feelings I in no way conveyed.

 

[Jelantik]

Re: Re:

I think even Aru and Contador is frustrated about this. Let's hope that Uran can do one of these monster-TT's so that it's still existing do watch.

Au contraire. Contador and Aru are nothing but happy. In the end only results count.
Even Contador fans that have big hopes for the double are nothing but happy. They might give any consolation and might say anything in this thread, but in the end, they're happy.

The TT will clarify things. Porte has no chance but to performe well. If he does not then all is lost.

I'd rather have seen a 20 second margin, however, what happened today should not effect performances on Saturday. If Porte is better than Contador by 20 seconds, then he deserves to be in Pink, for which this debacle has falsified the race at least until that point.

I agreed. Porte and Sky have been banking that Richie will take time in ITT. And I want to see how Sky reacts now. tomorrow stage is another interesting stage with undulating hill. I expect sky will have to ride now. I'm very curious how the ITT will pan out. Because if Richie does put tons of time on Contador and Aru, then we would have seen him in Pink if it's not because of his mechanical + penalty. At the same token, I want to see if Contador puts time to Richie as well in the mountain. If Contador does, then he is where he should be .. in pink jersey, with or without Richie's misfortune.

 

[richwagmn]

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The TT will clarify things. Porte has no chance but to performe well. If he does not then all is lost.

I'd rather have seen a 20 second margin, however, what happened today should not effect performances on Saturday. If Porte is better than Contador by 20 seconds, then he deserves to be in Pink, for which this debacle has falsified the race at least until that point.

Porte can no longer just follow wheels and rely on the ITT to win. Contador will probably want to win by more than 2 minutes. The race just might get more aggressive.

We'll see how Porte responds. When Froome lost time to AC last year in the Vuelta, he attacked him again and again instead of phoning it in. He won me as a fan after that. Richie can gain more respect by doing the same.

 

[Ataraxus]

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Well who are you to determine what Aru, Contador and I feel? Frankly you have no idea how anyone else feels unless they tell you or behave in a manner that tells you. I said how I felt in my post here and you chose to assign feelings I in no way conveyed.[/quote]

First: Who said that I am determining how other people feel?
I am assuming riders and their fans feel well based on two things: 1- their improved chances of winning 2- they think and behave rationally.
Second: Everyone might have ideas about how other people feel. No one knows for sure.
People are saying two riders feel frustrated because their opponent lost time here. And you jump on me about having no idea how people feel when I say they are happy?? Please

 

[rhubroma]

Where, though, is it written that Porte beats Contador in the TT? The opposite may indeed be the case, if we look at their careers.

 

[Irondan]

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Where, though, is it written that Porte beats Contador in the TT? The opposite may indeed be the case, if we look at their careers.

We can get real specific and post results for the past couple seasons, but I think there's a general consensus that Porte TT's better than Contador these days on long ITT's

 

[rhubroma]

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Where, though, is it written that Porte beats Contador in the TT? The opposite may indeed be the case, if we look at their careers.

We can get real specific and post results for the past couple seasons, but I think there's a general consensus that Porte TT's better than Contador these days on long ITT's

Post them, because as far as I can tell when he's on his game he's up there with the specialists. Last year Contador was good, as he has been this year. Porte may have been flying, but a TT in the Giro after 2 weeks is a real test of his worth.

 

[Sciocco]

So what's Sky's plan B this time around? Konig for GC top10?

 

[Kwibus]

Re: Re:

I think even Aru and Contador is frustrated about this. Let's hope that Uran can do one of these monster-TT's so that it's still existing do watch.

Au contraire. Contador and Aru are nothing but happy. In the end only results count.
Even Contador fans that have big hopes for the double are nothing but happy. They might give any consolation and might say anything in this thread, but in the end, they're happy.

Why people choose to judge others emotions based on how they would feel is beyond me. Maybe I learned not to do that because I'm so old .

It's not related to how one would personally feel. I, as well, consider myself as cheering for the good racing instead of specific riders. What I was taking into consideration, was only the rational side of the issue. Emotions are irrational, I know, but today's events put Contador into a more solid position to win the overall so he and his fans don't have any reason not to be unhappy.

Just stop writing down what you think other people are thinking. Listen to CarolS.

 

[movingtarget]

What a downer for Porte. Maybe not fair to the race or Porte but rules are rules. I just wonder if every race organizer would have done the same ? Three strikes to Porte to have a mechanical at the worst time in the stage, get a wheel from the wrong team and not only lose time but get a penalty as well.if Aru does a mediocre TT, the race could become very dull in the final week but it will be interesting if Uran and Porte can make up time in the TT and go out fighting in the final week. At least those two won't be riding conservativelty. Landa will also lose time as well in the TT but he is climbing exceptionally well. I doubt if there was much sleep in the car park last night. What a debacle but I hope Porte just takes it on the chin and gets on with it and that is all he can do. I wonder if Aru would have copped a penalty ?

 

[Madone]

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What a downer for Porte. Maybe not fair to the race or Porte but rules are rules. I just wonder if every race organizer would have done the same ? Three strikes to Porte to have a mechanical at the worst time in the stage, get a wheel from the wrong team and not only lose time but get a penalty as well.if Aru does a mediocre TT, the race could become very dull in the final week but it will be interesting if Uran and Porte can make up time in the TT and go out fighting in the final week. At least those two won't be riding conservativelty. Landa will also lose time as well in the TT but he is climbing exceptionally well. I doubt if there was much sleep in the car park last night. What a debacle but I hope Porte just takes it on the chin and gets on with it and that is all he can do. I wonder if Aru would have copped a penalty ?

Why do Sky fans keep saying that it is the race organizers that gave him that penalty?? Is it hard to read that it was the UCI official who did it and only him since he is the only person who can and will use the UCI rules and give penalties.

I support SKY but blaming everybody except Sky them self is ridiculous.

 

[Jelantik]

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What a downer for Porte. Maybe not fair to the race or Porte but rules are rules. I just wonder if every race organizer would have done the same ? Three strikes to Porte to have a mechanical at the worst time in the stage, get a wheel from the wrong team and not only lose time but get a penalty as well.if Aru does a mediocre TT, the race could become very dull in the final week but it will be interesting if Uran and Porte can make up time in the TT and go out fighting in the final week. At least those two won't be riding conservativelty. Landa will also lose time as well in the TT but he is climbing exceptionally well. I doubt if there was much sleep in the car park last night. What a debacle but I hope Porte just takes it on the chin and gets on with it and that is all he can do. I wonder if Aru would have copped a penalty ?

this is Richie's doing. He should have known better. And sky should have known better!! Besides, his team mate was standing in front of him. What's on earth didn't he gave his wheel? And no one said anything to Richie. He must be panic and thought,.. thank God for Clarke! Too bad there's no video for that. It's probably even worst if Clark actually stopped for Richie that's premeditated All in all. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb mistake all around by Richie and Sky. They should have blamed themselves for what happen. He could have only 1.09 behind, now he is 3 minutes.

in hindsight.. Sky now have to ride. Finally we'll see if Brailsford is bluffing about sky saving themselves and hiding their monstrous form. Besides, Richie still have ITT. If he has been banking on ITT to gain tons of time, then he should be able to shave off his deficit and back to within seconds to contador/Aru, pending if Aru/ Contador bleed more minutes in ITT. Who said Tour is exciting. Nothing beats the uncertainty of the Giro.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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[/quote]Why do Sky fans keep saying that it is the race organizers that gave him that penalty?? Is it hard to read that it was the UCI official who did it and only him since he is the only person who can and will use the UCI rules and give penalties.

I support SKY but blaming everybody except Sky them self is ridiculous.[/quote]

In a roundabout way, shouldn't we be blaming the roundabout?

 

[rick james]

Why were no team mates with him to give them their front wheel?

 

[Flamin]

Kudos to Porte's reaction though. His fans might be whining now, but he takes it like a man.

 

[personal]

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they should stop this lame #support thing
penalty was a joke, everyone knows why organizers gave it but it's time to move on

It was not ORGANIZERS, it was UCI commissaires.