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I wanted to clarify what I wrote before about Richie "deserving" to win a GT. I was somewhat making light of his insulting Durianrider making him worthy of any win, but probably didn't word it very well. It makes for good levity that he'd say that to DR, especially considering by all counts Richie seems like a pretty nice guy, and well liked by just about every cyclist. So perhaps the word "deserve" wasn't properly used by myself.
Looking back over the last 40 years, the only riders I thought deserved to win that didn't, were those who had honest talent, but were cheated because of doping. LeMond, Mottet, Bassons, Delion, etc. And I'm not even sure I'd say they deserved to win, but they most certainly deserved a chance to compete on a level playing field they didn't get.
Looking back over the last 40 years, the only riders I thought deserved to win that didn't, were those who had honest talent, but were cheated because of doping. LeMond, Mottet, Bassons, Delion, etc. And I'm not even sure I'd say they deserved to win, but they most certainly deserved a chance to compete on a level playing field they didn't get.
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You are probably right about the TDU. Most of the stages are short and the climbs are are not hard. The most taxing thing about the race is the extreme heat they sometimes get. After nine days of the Tour he was still climbing well. Whether that was going to change later in the race will never be known of course. A few more mountain goats wouldn't hurt. Sounds like he wants to return before the end of the season but the Vuelta is obviously out.
HelloDolly said:
You are probably right about the TDU. Most of the stages are short and the climbs are are not hard. The most taxing thing about the race is the extreme heat they sometimes get. After nine days of the Tour he was still climbing well. Whether that was going to change later in the race will never be known of course. A few more mountain goats wouldn't hurt. Sounds like he wants to return before the end of the season but the Vuelta is obviously out.
He is whining about the inclusion of mont du chat's descent. Sorry but you're a loser. If you don't want to fall, you have to slow down and lose contact to better descenders. How I miss the old times of cycling.
Yeah, I understand that he'll have a hard time being objective and rational so soon after the crash, but saying that stages should finish on the top of the mountain and that anything else is just asking for blood is baffling.
“For me, I just think that the spectacle should be the finish on top of a mountain, not having to take unnecessary risks to get to the bottom of a stage"
Wow. He's starting to sound like Andy. Pathetic.
Wow. He's starting to sound like Andy. Pathetic.
Probably frustration more than anything else but at the same time it's probably better to keep some things to yourself and just use the disappointment to get back on track again for next season.
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Agreed. Yes he should have kept it to himself but really its no big deal and understandable his frustration considering what he went through and is now recovering from - he could have died! But I do wonder if the organisers considered how that descent would be made far more dangerous by the rain that day. No rain, no damp road, no wheel locking, no crash. As Dan Martin said, I hope the organisers got what they wanted.
But Froome got more than a marginal gain by attacking the descent - he effectively took out one of his closest challengers.
movingtarget said:
Agreed. Yes he should have kept it to himself but really its no big deal and understandable his frustration considering what he went through and is now recovering from - he could have died! But I do wonder if the organisers considered how that descent would be made far more dangerous by the rain that day. No rain, no damp road, no wheel locking, no crash. As Dan Martin said, I hope the organisers got what they wanted.
But Froome got more than a marginal gain by attacking the descent - he effectively took out one of his closest challengers.
The ITT had some dangerous corners and he decided to play it safe. The descent had some dangerous corners too, but this time he decided to take the risk. If he didn't want to fall he should have slowed down. It was his choice, now he has to deal with the consequences and stop whining.
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Of course he should have slowed down but an ITT is completely different in a road stage you try not to loose the wheel it is instinctive to road racing.
As I wrote he should have kept it to himself but completely understandable considering the consequences could have been far far worse.
carolina said:
Of course he should have slowed down but an ITT is completely different in a road stage you try not to loose the wheel it is instinctive to road racing.
As I wrote he should have kept it to himself but completely understandable considering the consequences could have been far far worse.
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IIRC Fuglsang had punctured earlier in the stage and was riding a front wheel with a tyre he didn't feel familiar (safe) with. He slowed down in the steepest sections of the descent and caught the leaders later on when he felt he was safe riding as fast as he could. It's called instinctive self preservation road racingCookster15 said:
So...
I think he can win the 2018 Tour. Very good route for him.
He would have a great team around him. Would gain/lose minimal time to Froome. He'll need to get through the first week unscathed and we'd have a race on our hands.
Go BigRP!
I think he can win the 2018 Tour. Very good route for him.
He would have a great team around him. Would gain/lose minimal time to Froome. He'll need to get through the first week unscathed and we'd have a race on our hands.
Go BigRP!
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Its pretty much the same as last year. Harder mountains, but then you have the cobbles where he most likely will mess up.Red Rick said:
The problem for Porte is converting his potential into reality. I would like to see him podium but will it ever happen ? Would have liked to see another MTF and no cobbles but the cobbles will be a test for many riders. I don't think Froome is a certainty based on 2017 but he is certainly the hardest GT rider to beat at the moment.
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He'll be better than last year and last year he was scary good.
He has been underestimated so often and rightly so because he might not have the results, yet.
Guess we'll see. Adversity makes a man stronger, sharper.Max Rockatansky said:
He'll be better than last year and last year he was scary good.
He has been underestimated so often and rightly so because he might not have the results, yet.
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OMG!
Usually, all this nonsense start right around the TdU and now we are still in October and we already have this neverending foolishness already going.
silvergrenade said:
OMG!
Usually, all this nonsense start right around the TdU and now we are still in October and we already have this neverending foolishness already going.
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With Froome, Quintana and likely Dumoulin/Nibali all riding the Tour, Porte should go for the Giro. Much better route for him if rumours prove true.Red Rick said:
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