Rider schedules and targets for 2022

[Earns1985]

Martinez is more of a "if the opportunity arises" for him, I think. He is a super-domestic right now, who might just finish very high on GC riding in that role and as a plan B if the leader going into the race crashes or has a really bad race.

He was won Dauphine and 5th in the Giro but that dont get you a full leadership role on a team like Ineos. Not when there are multiple GT-winners in the team.

Yeah, with the announcement of the main part of the giro team, I think that Martinez will go as super-dom to the tour for Bernal and Thomas. The remaining question mark for me is Adam Yates. This year he didn't ride the giro neither the tour. He had very good spring results and also a solid performance at the vuelta. So the same schedule for him in 2022? Is this enough for the best british GC rider in the team in 2021?

 

[skippo12]

Carapaz, Geoghegan Hart, Pidcock and Viviani all to the Giro for Ineos.

What about Porte. Didn´t he mention that he wants to go to the Giro this year?

 

[Salvarani]

Yeah, with the announcement of the main part of the giro team, I think that Martinez will go as super-dom to the tour for Bernal and Thomas. The remaining question mark for me is Adam Yates. This year he didn't ride the giro neither the tour. He had very good spring results and also a solid performance at the vuelta. So the same schedule for him in 2022? Is this enough for the best british GC rider in the team in 2021?

The schedule this year seems to have worked really well for him.

Vuelta is probably his best chance to win one. Both next year and in the future, I reckon.

I dont think he can expect much more than a leadership in a committee no matter where they send him, unless he really starts to dominate races.

 

[Ranagazoo]

Ineos looking something like this

Giro: Carapaz, Porte, TGH, Pidcock, Swift, Viviani, Puccio, Narvaez

Tour: Bernal, Thomas, Martinez, Sivakov, Kwiato, Castro, Van Baarle, Ganna

Vuelta: Yates, Fraile, Hayter..... whoever feels like it come August

 

[AlfaLum]

Yeah, with the announcement of the main part of the giro team, I think that Martinez will go as super-dom to the tour for Bernal and Thomas. The remaining question mark for me is Adam Yates. This year he didn't ride the giro neither the tour. He had very good spring results and also a solid performance at the vuelta. So the same schedule for him in 2022? Is this enough for the best british GC rider in the team in 2021?

I think Yates with that schedule is the perfect solution to be honest. The one week stage races suit him to the bone in the first half of the year. Including suisse which he was supposed to race this year as well I think.

Then the second half of the season full focus on a vuelta he might win when everything goes to plan and the vuelta is also a great race before the Italian races at the end of the season.

 

[hayneplane]

Carapaz, Geoghegan Hart, Pidcock and Viviani all to the Giro for Ineos.

All makes sense fully for me except for Pidcock where it will need some precision planning of his season to ensure he reaches the Giro in shape to perform well and not already burned out post classics.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

I feel like for the Ineos Giro lineup the majority of the riders are different and have different ambitions. Carapaz for GC, Viviani for Sprints, and Pidcock for Super Domestique would make sense, but Geoghegan Hart and Porte just clouds things for Carapaz even if hes the outright leader.

 

[AlfaLum]

I feel like for the Ineos Giro lineup the majority of the riders are different and have different ambitions. Carapaz for GC, Viviani for Sprints, and Pidcock for Super Domestique would make sense, but Geoghegan Hart and Porte just clouds things for Carapaz even if hes the outright leader.

Yeah, also hard to imagine a guy like Tao throwing away his ambitions at the start of the Giro already after winning it 1,5 year before.

Anyway, Ineos have so many captains that they will always have this problem haha.

 

[tobydawq]

Yeah, also hard to imagine a guy like Tao throwing away his ambitions at the start of the Giro already after winning it 1,5 year before.

Anyway, Ineos have so many captains that they will always have this problem haha.

Why should they commit to a specific leader before the race?

 

[AlfaLum]

Why should they commit to a specific leader before the race?

They do not have to, but that means Carapaz is not the outright leader.

 

[SafeBet]

Well they have won a number of GTs in the past few years by not having a sole captain at the start or by having a good enough 2nd/3rd option to take over when the 1st option falters. It makes sense for them.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Well they have won a number of GTs in the past few years by not having a sole captain at the start or by having a good enough 2nd/3rd option to take over when the 1st option falters. It makes sense for them.

With Martinez as a backup, sure, but it doesn't seem like he'll be at the start.

Tao's Giro win was likely a fluke (first COVID year, no impressive rides since). Porte will target T-A and will ride in support in the Giro.

It will be all for Carapaz I think, which makes sense, since he won the 2019 Giro, came close to winning the 2020 Vuelta...and finished 3rd at the Tour last year.

If Carapaz for some reason doesn't deliver (which is unlikely given his consistency as a GT specialist since 2018) or crashes out, I don't think they have someone in the rumored Giro lineup to take on that role.

 

[Nirvana]

Ineos looking something like this

Giro: Carapaz, Porte, TGH, Pidcock, Swift, Viviani, Puccio, Narvaez

Tour: Bernal, Thomas, Martinez, Sivakov, Kwiato, Castro, Van Baarle, Ganna

Vuelta: Yates, Fraile, Hayter..... whoever feels like it come August

Hayter said he's going to the Giro and according to Tosatto Swift is not 100% sure because he has to show to be good as lead out to be selected.

 

[AlfaLum]

With Martinez as a backup, sure, but it doesn't seem like he'll be at the start.

Tao's Giro win was likely a fluke (first COVID year, no impressive rides since). Porte will target T-A and will ride in support in the Giro.

It will be all for Carapaz I think, which makes sense, since he won the 2019 Giro, came close to winning the 2020 Vuelta...and finished 3rd at the Tour last year.

If Carapaz for some reason doesn't deliver (which is unlikely given his consistency as a GT specialist since 2018) or crashes out, I don't think they have someone in the rumored Giro lineup to take on that role.

Tao crashed in almost every race since that Giro. Now I also rate Carapaz his chances quite a bit higher but I don’t think Ineos will treat Tao as a domestique next year after winning a Giro.

I also still believe that his level in that Giro was just very high.

 

[yaco]

I've previously posted the 2020 Giro was a 'mirage race' - TGH and Hindley will probably never reach that level again.

 

[AlfaLum]

I've previously posted the 2020 Giro was a 'mirage race' - TGH and Hindley will probably never reach that level again.

Yeah you can post that as often as you want. But that does not make it more true. For example Kelderman became 5th in the Tour this year and Almeida was super strong in the Giro as well, with the exception of one stage.

Only the next years will tell what the level is that Tao and Hindley will reach. But drawing a definite conclusion is way too soon.

 

[yaco]

Yeah you can post that as often as you want. But that does not make it more true. For example Kelderman became 5th in the Tour this year and Almeida was super strong in the Giro as well, with the exception of one stage.

Only the next years will tell what the level is that Tao and Hindley will reach. But drawing a definite conclusion is way too soon.

You are the one who is drawing a definite conclusion by stating that TGH should be a leader at a GT - TGH is not at the same level as Carapaz, yet you suggest he should be joint-leader at the Giro - I have a different opinion about the capabilities of TGH and Hindley - You need to get over it.

 

[AlfaLum]

You are the one who is drawing a definite conclusion by stating that TGH should be a leader at a GT - TGH is not at the same level as Carapaz, yet you suggest he should be joint-leader at the Giro - I have a different opinion about the capabilities of TGH and Hindley - You need to get over it.

Seems you have some trouble with reading. I am not suggesting he should be joint leader. I am saying that I can’t see him being a full domestique after winning the Giro less than 2 years before.

We are talking about ambitious sporters here and it is quite unlikely that somebody who has just tasted such a big success will settle for a role working for somebody else from the start of the Giro.

So a joint leadership at the start, with the legs deciding who works for who at the giro is simply the most logical option for me. And I also stated that Carapaz is more likely to win that contest than Tao in my opinion based on last years results. But your statements are way too black and white. Which is a habit I see with so many self proclaimed cycling experts.

 

[yaco]

Seems you have some trouble with reading. I am not suggesting he should be joint leader. I am saying that I can’t see him being a full domestique after winning the Giro less than 2 years before.

We are talking about ambitious sporters here and it is quite unlikely that somebody who has just tasted such a big success will settle for a role working for somebody else from the start of the Giro.

So a joint leadership at the start, with the legs deciding who works for who at the giro is simply the most logical option for me. And I also stated that Carapaz is more likely to win that contest than Tao in my opinion based on last years results. But your statements are way too black and white. Which is a habit I see with so many self proclaimed cycling experts.

I'll let you continue to believe TGH can be a viable GC rider at GT's.

 

[Netserk]

Doesn't seem like you need anyone's permission to continue to act as a blowhard.

 

[Anas]

Tom Dumoulin will probably ride the Giro next year.
https://www.corriere.it/sport/22_ge...-scelta-senza-logica-1f5e1c2e-6c06-11ec-90a1- 25dee422c29e.shtml

 

[AlfaLum]

I'll let you continue to believe TGH can be a viable GC rider at GT's.

Yeah and I'll let you continue with being a self-proclaimed expert who is calling every race with a result he didn't expect a fluke.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah and I'll let you continue with being a self-proclaimed expert who is calling every race with a result he didn't expect a fluke.

It's basically the very definition of a fluke result.

 

[sir fly]

Vegni sees 'no logic' in absence of Caruso and Colbrelli from 2022 Giro d'Italia

Race director again calls on Pogacar to attempt Giro-Tour double

www.cyclingnews.com

Maybe the course of the spring gives more sense to the lineups. Vegni should be patient.
As well with the longing for Pogačar. The guy hasn't ridden yet two GTs in a season.

 

[Earns1985]

Tom Dumoulin will probably ride the Giro next year.
https://www.corriere.it/sport/22_ge...-scelta-senza-logica-1f5e1c2e-6c06-11ec-90a1- 25dee422c29e.shtml

Would be fantastic if true, both for the giro and Dumoulin.

But I have learned not to trust italian reports about participation of stars in the Giro until there is really an official confirmation from the rider or the team. So let´s see..