Riders to reach 100 pro wins

[Samu Cuenca]

Then why not winning green jersey or mountain jersey? Where do we draw the line. Only counting winning a single race makes more sense to me.

I think the line is best kept at where it currently is.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Then why not winning green jersey or mountain jersey? Where do we draw the line. Only counting winning a single race makes more sense to me.

I will say this always confused me too.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Imagine winning the Tour and that not counting as a win. Or a stage at a Tour. A win is a win and riders involved for sure know when they won. Not always, but usually they tend to raise their arms high in the air. That counts as a win, unless it turns out it was too early or too late. Simple metric. Look for the arms.

Arms -> Won.
No arms -> pissed.

 

[proffate]

Remco will be the last one reaching 100 wins as he has 'only' 50 and Pogačar should be the one getting more career wins, if he keeps his staggering pace, I can see him reaching 150.

It seems hard to calculate pace this early in a career because riders turn pro at different ages with different levels of readiness. And one off events like a broken hip skew the trajectory. I give Remco and Pog even odds for end of career victory count. Depends a lot on who stays hungry (who's a Valverde and who's a Sagan?)

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Look for the arms.

Arms -> Won.
No arms -> pissed.

Ignore this rule if watching Orluis Aular finishing the CroTour.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Imagine winning the Tour and that not counting as a win. Or a stage at a Tour. A win is a win and riders involved for sure know when they won. Not always, but usually they tend to raise their arms high in the air. That counts as a win, unless it turns out it was too early or too late. Simple metric. Look for the arms.

Arms -> Won.
No arms -> pissed.

That‘s a big hit to Roglič‘s 100 quest if we are going by that metric.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Because I feel single day riders and sprinters are discredited this way. You already have the same amount of chances of winning a stage during a stage race for mountains and TT, as a sprinter for a flat stage, and now you also get an extra point if you win the whole thing.

What are you talking about? Who get more pro wins, greipel or Nibali? But who is a better rider who won biggest stage races?

Imagine a journalist say to contador what was the best win you had in 2015? And he will answer that mickey mouse stage in ruta del sol or whatever that he won, because apparently Giro d'italia shouldn't count.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Then why not winning green jersey or mountain jersey? Where do we draw the line. Only counting winning a single race makes more sense to me.

A GC is a race, who is the fastest over the total course, same as Paris roubaix is a race or stage 6 of volta cataluna is a race. Green jersey is not a race. When we talk about pro wins we talk about winning races

 

[Netserk]

A GC is a race, who is the fastest over the total course, same as Paris roubaix is a race or stage 6 of volta cataluna is a race. Green jersey is not a race. When we talk about pro wins we talk about winning races

A stage is not a race. It is a part of a race.

 

[rallybanana]

Arms -> Won.
No arms -> pissed.

What about pedaling across the line with one leg? Does that count as:
One win
Half a win
Double win

 

[SHAD0W93]

A GC is a race, who is the fastest over the total course, same as Paris roubaix is a race or stage 6 of volta cataluna is a race. Green jersey is not a race. When we talk about pro wins we talk about winning races

So you’d tell Charteau that his biggest win was Tour de Langkawi overall and not the Tour KoM?

 

[Bonimenier]

So you’d tell Charteau that his biggest win was Tour de Langkawi overall and not the Tour KoM?

Can't be a win if it isn't a win.

 

[RedheadDane]

So you’d tell Charteau that his biggest win was Tour de Langkawi overall and not the Tour KoM?

I'd tell him this was his biggest win:

Volta Ciclista a Catalunya 2005 Stage 6 results

Volta Ciclista a Catalunya 2005 Stage 6 from Llívia to Pallejà was won by Anthony Charteau before Beat Zberg and José Luis Arrieta. Yaroslav Popovych was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Anthony Charteau‘s third straight Tropicale Amissa Bongo win is also pretty special but only if you can take previous results into account.

 

[tobydawq]

I always found it weird that GC's are counted too, I would think only TT's, stages and 1 day races would count.

Wut

 

[roundabout]

I thought all the victory stats was about race wins, not wins in subcompetitions within those races.

Whether or not a win in a subcompetition in a prestigious race is bigger than a race win in a smaller race is another question entirely.

 

[cellardoor]

Then why not winning green jersey or mountain jersey?

Because they are consolation prizes.

 

[Berniece]

What are you talking about? Who get more pro wins, greipel or Nibali? But who is a better rider who won biggest stage races?

Imagine a journalist say to contador what was the best win you had in 2015? And he will answer that mickey mouse stage in ruta del sol or whatever that he won, because apparently Giro d'italia shouldn't count.

It’s not about being the better rider, that’s a different discussion. The number of wins doesn’t make you a better rider.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Can't be a win if it isn't a win.

Yet they’re labeled as the current and former winner of the classifications.

I'd tell him this was his biggest win:

Volta Ciclista a Catalunya 2005 Stage 6 results

Volta Ciclista a Catalunya 2005 Stage 6 from Llívia to Pallejà was won by Anthony Charteau before Beat Zberg and José Luis Arrieta. Yaroslav Popovych was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

Yes, they sure talked about that a lot during his career.

 

[tobydawq]

Yet they’re labeled as the current and former winner of the classifications.

Should the winner of a combativity prize also count? The winner of a KOM competition in a one-day race? Best Catalan in Volta a Catalunya?

 

[RedheadDane]

Yes, they sure talked about that a lot during his career.

Did they talk about his Langkawi win?

And wasn't the talk about his TdF KoM win mostly about how he was a rather "meh" winner of that competition?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Should the winner of a combativity prize also count? The winner of a KOM competition in a one-day race? Best Catalan in Volta a Catalunya?

Only a select few will ever win the last one, so maybe it should count as half a victory.

 

[tobydawq]

Only a select few will ever win the last one, so maybe it should count as half a victory.

What about youth competitions?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What about youth competitions?

No, they're not worthy enough.

 

[Blanco]

It’s not about being the better rider, that’s a different discussion. The number of wins doesn’t make you a better rider.

Yes they do, in a certain way...